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REGISTRATION 3 is anyone that can help me thank
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Dave Patrick
Cross-post when necessary, but never multi-post. Cross-posting is when you
include two or more groups in the "Newsgroups:" section. In this scenario
the message and all responses are seen in all groups that the message was
cross-posted to. In other words any replies will automatically propagate to
the other newsgroup posts.
Multi-posting is when you post the same message to two or more groups
individually. In this scenario the message is seen in the groups it is
posted to, but the responses are only seen attached to the message (unless
you cross-post the reply) in which the response was made. So those that
frequent these groups then need to deal with or re-read the posts. It may
seem like a small thing to keep track of. But some of us actively traverse
50 or more groups. The poster also then must search out all of the posts to
see if there was a response.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| I'M TRYING 2 SETUP MY WINDOWS 2000 SERVER BUT I LOSS THE
| REGISTRATION 3 is anyone that can help me thank
| you .
|
include two or more groups in the "Newsgroups:" section. In this scenario
the message and all responses are seen in all groups that the message was
cross-posted to. In other words any replies will automatically propagate to
the other newsgroup posts.
Multi-posting is when you post the same message to two or more groups
individually. In this scenario the message is seen in the groups it is
posted to, but the responses are only seen attached to the message (unless
you cross-post the reply) in which the response was made. So those that
frequent these groups then need to deal with or re-read the posts. It may
seem like a small thing to keep track of. But some of us actively traverse
50 or more groups. The poster also then must search out all of the posts to
see if there was a response.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| I'M TRYING 2 SETUP MY WINDOWS 2000 SERVER BUT I LOSS THE
| REGISTRATION 3 is anyone that can help me thank
| you .
|
D
Dave Patrick
Cross-post when necessary, but never multi-post. Cross-posting is when you
include two or more groups in the "Newsgroups:" section. In this scenario
the message and all responses are seen in all groups that the message was
cross-posted to. In other words any replies will automatically propagate to
the other newsgroup posts.
Multi-posting is when you post the same message to two or more groups
individually. In this scenario the message is seen in the groups it is
posted to, but the responses are only seen attached to the message (unless
you cross-post the reply) in which the response was made. So those that
frequent these groups then need to deal with or re-read the posts. It may
seem like a small thing to keep track of. But some of us actively traverse
50 or more groups. The poster also then must search out all of the posts to
see if there was a response.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| I'M TRYING 2 SETUP MY WINDOWS 2000 SERVER BUT I LOSS THE
| REGISTRATION 3 is anyone that can help me thank
| you .
|
include two or more groups in the "Newsgroups:" section. In this scenario
the message and all responses are seen in all groups that the message was
cross-posted to. In other words any replies will automatically propagate to
the other newsgroup posts.
Multi-posting is when you post the same message to two or more groups
individually. In this scenario the message is seen in the groups it is
posted to, but the responses are only seen attached to the message (unless
you cross-post the reply) in which the response was made. So those that
frequent these groups then need to deal with or re-read the posts. It may
seem like a small thing to keep track of. But some of us actively traverse
50 or more groups. The poster also then must search out all of the posts to
see if there was a response.
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| I'M TRYING 2 SETUP MY WINDOWS 2000 SERVER BUT I LOSS THE
| REGISTRATION 3 is anyone that can help me thank
| you .
|
R
rocio
Sorry to intrude,
But I would like to ask you, Dave, WHERE is the
<"Newsgroups:" section> in which you can 'chose two or
more groups' to include in your posting. I would probably
make use of that feature if I know where to find it.
Are you referring to the 'fill in line' of the 'Post a New
Message' form window? (eg: this one has
[microsoft.public.win2000.file_system]
*square brackets are mine.
And if this is the case, is there a place where you
can "chose" the URLs for the other groups? or how can you
separate them in the form line (by a coma? or aother
symbol?
Thanks for your further info.
Rocio
But I would like to ask you, Dave, WHERE is the
<"Newsgroups:" section> in which you can 'chose two or
more groups' to include in your posting. I would probably
make use of that feature if I know where to find it.
Are you referring to the 'fill in line' of the 'Post a New
Message' form window? (eg: this one has
[microsoft.public.win2000.file_system]
*square brackets are mine.
And if this is the case, is there a place where you
can "chose" the URLs for the other groups? or how can you
separate them in the form line (by a coma? or aother
symbol?
Thanks for your further info.
Rocio
D
Dave Patrick
Appears you're using CDO so create your new post then at the bottom click
'Advanced Options' then add the additional groups to; 'Cross-post to these
discussion groups'
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
:
| Sorry to intrude,
| But I would like to ask you, Dave, WHERE is the
| <"Newsgroups:" section> in which you can 'chose two or
| more groups' to include in your posting. I would probably
| make use of that feature if I know where to find it.
|
| Are you referring to the 'fill in line' of the 'Post a New
| Message' form window? (eg: this one has
| [microsoft.public.win2000.file_system]
| *square brackets are mine.
|
| And if this is the case, is there a place where you
| can "chose" the URLs for the other groups? or how can you
| separate them in the form line (by a coma? or aother
| symbol?
|
| Thanks for your further info.
| Rocio
'Advanced Options' then add the additional groups to; 'Cross-post to these
discussion groups'
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
:
| Sorry to intrude,
| But I would like to ask you, Dave, WHERE is the
| <"Newsgroups:" section> in which you can 'chose two or
| more groups' to include in your posting. I would probably
| make use of that feature if I know where to find it.
|
| Are you referring to the 'fill in line' of the 'Post a New
| Message' form window? (eg: this one has
| [microsoft.public.win2000.file_system]
| *square brackets are mine.
|
| And if this is the case, is there a place where you
| can "chose" the URLs for the other groups? or how can you
| separate them in the form line (by a coma? or aother
| symbol?
|
| Thanks for your further info.
| Rocio
R
R. C. White
Hi, Rocio.
Many (Most?) of the people who ask questions here use the Web-based
interface. That is, they are using a browser, such as Internet Explorer.
Many (Most?) of the people who try to help out here use a news reader, such
as Outlook Express. For the helpers, it sometimes is like trying to give an
answer in Spanish to a question asked in German. :>( Most (Many?)
experienced users of newsgroups find the Web-based interface slow and
clumsy. Personally, the only time I use that interface is when I need to
find the answer to a question like yours. Then I come back to OE to post my
Reply.
On those rare occasions when we need to crosspost, in OE, we just click the
word "Newsgroups", or the icon to the left of the word, and choose from the
drop-down list of available groups (or type the NG names into the Newsgroups
box).
In the Web-based interface, you must choose just one Discussion Group in the
box at the top of the Compose window; you can't choose more than one. If
you MUST crosspost, scroll to the bottom of the Compose window, after your
Display Name and Notify Me of Replies, and click Advanced Options to find
the box labeled, "Cross-post to these discussion groups", and "(use full
USENET designation)". A drop-down box is not available, so you must know
the name of the group and you must type in the whole thing:
microsoft.public.win2000.file_system, for example.
The fact that MS made the crosspost option so hard to find and use should be
a clue that the option should rarely be needed. But, when you MUST post the
same message to more than one group, please crosspost, NOT multipost.
If you would like to see how a news reader works to read and post to these
very same discussion groups, just click here:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win2000.file_system
Unless you are blocked by something like a corporate firewall, this should
start OE; create a News Account for the Microsoft public news server, which
is free and does not require you to log on; subscribe you to this same
newsgroup; and download the 300 newest headers, which will probably include
this thread. Spend some time getting over the OE learning curve, like you
would your favorite game or any other program that is new to you, and then
decide which method of accessing these newsgroups you prefer.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Many (Most?) of the people who ask questions here use the Web-based
interface. That is, they are using a browser, such as Internet Explorer.
Many (Most?) of the people who try to help out here use a news reader, such
as Outlook Express. For the helpers, it sometimes is like trying to give an
answer in Spanish to a question asked in German. :>( Most (Many?)
experienced users of newsgroups find the Web-based interface slow and
clumsy. Personally, the only time I use that interface is when I need to
find the answer to a question like yours. Then I come back to OE to post my
Reply.
On those rare occasions when we need to crosspost, in OE, we just click the
word "Newsgroups", or the icon to the left of the word, and choose from the
drop-down list of available groups (or type the NG names into the Newsgroups
box).
In the Web-based interface, you must choose just one Discussion Group in the
box at the top of the Compose window; you can't choose more than one. If
you MUST crosspost, scroll to the bottom of the Compose window, after your
Display Name and Notify Me of Replies, and click Advanced Options to find
the box labeled, "Cross-post to these discussion groups", and "(use full
USENET designation)". A drop-down box is not available, so you must know
the name of the group and you must type in the whole thing:
microsoft.public.win2000.file_system, for example.
The fact that MS made the crosspost option so hard to find and use should be
a clue that the option should rarely be needed. But, when you MUST post the
same message to more than one group, please crosspost, NOT multipost.
If you would like to see how a news reader works to read and post to these
very same discussion groups, just click here:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win2000.file_system
Unless you are blocked by something like a corporate firewall, this should
start OE; create a News Account for the Microsoft public news server, which
is free and does not require you to log on; subscribe you to this same
newsgroup; and download the 300 newest headers, which will probably include
this thread. Spend some time getting over the OE learning curve, like you
would your favorite game or any other program that is new to you, and then
decide which method of accessing these newsgroups you prefer.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
rocio said:
R
rocio
Gracias, RC, for your detailled response. Your
comparative analogies are well understood
I now realize the main interfece problem resides on the
fact that I use the web-interface, while most of you, the
experienced users, must be using the OE newsgroup email
interface.
In truth, I was feeling comfortable using the web-
interface as it does not feel to intruding. I know of a
close friend who has had a bad experience after
subscribing, more than a year ago, to a newsgroup. When
later he decided he wanted to stop receiving mail from
the newsgroup, there was no way he could do it. To this
day, he still receives close to 100 emails a day.
I'm not too sure I would like to have the same happening
to me at this time, so apart from understanding now what
is required to be able to cross-post, I guess I will be
sticking, at least until I now more about how to avoid a
situation similar to my friend, to browsing the
newsgroups through the web interface.
Thank you again for your thorough response. It has been
very helpful.
Rocio
comparative analogies are well understood
I now realize the main interfece problem resides on the
fact that I use the web-interface, while most of you, the
experienced users, must be using the OE newsgroup email
interface.
In truth, I was feeling comfortable using the web-
interface as it does not feel to intruding. I know of a
close friend who has had a bad experience after
subscribing, more than a year ago, to a newsgroup. When
later he decided he wanted to stop receiving mail from
the newsgroup, there was no way he could do it. To this
day, he still receives close to 100 emails a day.
I'm not too sure I would like to have the same happening
to me at this time, so apart from understanding now what
is required to be able to cross-post, I guess I will be
sticking, at least until I now more about how to avoid a
situation similar to my friend, to browsing the
newsgroups through the web interface.
Thank you again for your thorough response. It has been
very helpful.
Rocio
R
rocio
Thank you Dave, for your response.
Perhaps you think that I'm using a Newsgroup email
account, as I don't have the 'Advance Options' you
mention available to me on the web interface. I guess I
understood the problem with the response of RC White.
However, I think I know now where to find those options
if I decided I need to use them. Thanks again,
Rocio
Perhaps you think that I'm using a Newsgroup email
account, as I don't have the 'Advance Options' you
mention available to me on the web interface. I guess I
understood the problem with the response of RC White.
However, I think I know now where to find those options
if I decided I need to use them. Thanks again,
Rocio
D
Dave Patrick
From the headers it appeared you're using CDO
http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx
Perhaps not?
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
:
| Thank you Dave, for your response.
|
| Perhaps you think that I'm using a Newsgroup email
| account, as I don't have the 'Advance Options' you
| mention available to me on the web interface. I guess I
| understood the problem with the response of RC White.
|
| However, I think I know now where to find those options
| if I decided I need to use them. Thanks again,
|
| Rocio
http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx
Perhaps not?
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
:
| Thank you Dave, for your response.
|
| Perhaps you think that I'm using a Newsgroup email
| account, as I don't have the 'Advance Options' you
| mention available to me on the web interface. I guess I
| understood the problem with the response of RC White.
|
| However, I think I know now where to find those options
| if I decided I need to use them. Thanks again,
|
| Rocio
R
R. C. White
Hi, Rocio.
There's some misunderstanding or mis-communication here! Your friend may
have subscribed to a "mailing list", rather than a newsgroup. There's a big
difference.
A mailing list uses email. Each subscriber sends an email to the list
moderator (by whatever title), who emails a copy of that message to every
other subscriber. A subscriber will continue to receive emails until the
moderator stops sending them. On one mailing list that I use, very clear
and simple instructions for unsubscribing are included in every message, but
some members ignore those instructions and then complain that they can't
unsubscribe by trying in some other way. :>(
A newsgroup does not use email at all. Yes, messages are sent and received
electronically, like email, but messages are not individually addressed.
You must sign onto a news server and download some or all of the messages
available. You don't go to your mailbox to get your good mail included with
all that junk mail addressed to you; you just go to the public bulletin
board to read messages posted there - and to post your own messages, if you
like. These Microsoft "Discussion Groups" are really newsgroups. You can
see how easy it would be to stop getting these messages: just stop visiting
these groups.
Yes, you do have to establish a connection with the news server where all
the newsgroup messages are posted. In addition to the home news server,
which hosts the groups, many other news servers simply "slurp" messages from
that server and relay them - and any responses - back and forth, often
resulting in messages that are delayed, out of sequence or simply lost. For
these 2,000+ MS public newsgroups, msnews.microsoft.com is the home; many
other servers "slurp" from some of these groups, probably including the news
server provided free by your own ISP.
Once we have an account with a news server, we can subscribe to individual
newsgroups available on that server. There are over 100,000 newsgroups
available on the Usenet; nobody can read them all. I subscribe to a dozen
or so, mostly here at MS public, and try to read a few of the most recent
messages on each of those NGs every day. Here in Win2K.file_systems, there
are about 30 new messages most days, so I might be able to read them all,
but in WinXP.basics, for example, there are 1,000 or more on many days, so I
can read only some of them. But NONE of the messages come to me if I don't
visit that NG, and I can easily unsubscribe at any time.
Check with your friend to see if he knows the difference between mailing
lists and newsgroups. In a mailing list, the moderator "pushes" messages to
subscribers; in a newsgroup, the subscriber must "pull" the messages from
the server.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
There's some misunderstanding or mis-communication here! Your friend may
have subscribed to a "mailing list", rather than a newsgroup. There's a big
difference.
A mailing list uses email. Each subscriber sends an email to the list
moderator (by whatever title), who emails a copy of that message to every
other subscriber. A subscriber will continue to receive emails until the
moderator stops sending them. On one mailing list that I use, very clear
and simple instructions for unsubscribing are included in every message, but
some members ignore those instructions and then complain that they can't
unsubscribe by trying in some other way. :>(
A newsgroup does not use email at all. Yes, messages are sent and received
electronically, like email, but messages are not individually addressed.
You must sign onto a news server and download some or all of the messages
available. You don't go to your mailbox to get your good mail included with
all that junk mail addressed to you; you just go to the public bulletin
board to read messages posted there - and to post your own messages, if you
like. These Microsoft "Discussion Groups" are really newsgroups. You can
see how easy it would be to stop getting these messages: just stop visiting
these groups.
Yes, you do have to establish a connection with the news server where all
the newsgroup messages are posted. In addition to the home news server,
which hosts the groups, many other news servers simply "slurp" messages from
that server and relay them - and any responses - back and forth, often
resulting in messages that are delayed, out of sequence or simply lost. For
these 2,000+ MS public newsgroups, msnews.microsoft.com is the home; many
other servers "slurp" from some of these groups, probably including the news
server provided free by your own ISP.
Once we have an account with a news server, we can subscribe to individual
newsgroups available on that server. There are over 100,000 newsgroups
available on the Usenet; nobody can read them all. I subscribe to a dozen
or so, mostly here at MS public, and try to read a few of the most recent
messages on each of those NGs every day. Here in Win2K.file_systems, there
are about 30 new messages most days, so I might be able to read them all,
but in WinXP.basics, for example, there are 1,000 or more on many days, so I
can read only some of them. But NONE of the messages come to me if I don't
visit that NG, and I can easily unsubscribe at any time.
Check with your friend to see if he knows the difference between mailing
lists and newsgroups. In a mailing list, the moderator "pushes" messages to
subscribers; in a newsgroup, the subscriber must "pull" the messages from
the server.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
rocio said:Gracias, RC, for your detailled response. Your
comparative analogies are well understood
I now realize the main interfece problem resides on the
fact that I use the web-interface, while most of you, the
experienced users, must be using the OE newsgroup email
interface.
In truth, I was feeling comfortable using the web-
interface as it does not feel to intruding. I know of a
close friend who has had a bad experience after
subscribing, more than a year ago, to a newsgroup. When
later he decided he wanted to stop receiving mail from
the newsgroup, there was no way he could do it. To this
day, he still receives close to 100 emails a day.
I'm not too sure I would like to have the same happening
to me at this time, so apart from understanding now what
is required to be able to cross-post, I guess I will be
sticking, at least until I now more about how to avoid a
situation similar to my friend, to browsing the
newsgroups through the web interface.
Thank you again for your thorough response. It has been
very helpful.
Rocio
R
rocio
RC, Thank you SO much for your detailled responses! It is
clear that I had the wrong impression. Now, I understand
the differnce between a 'newsgroup' and a 'mail list'.
That gives me the confidence to try involving myself with
a newsgroup of my interest... eg... this one.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and time!
Rocio
clear that I had the wrong impression. Now, I understand
the differnce between a 'newsgroup' and a 'mail list'.
That gives me the confidence to try involving myself with
a newsgroup of my interest... eg... this one.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and time!
Rocio
-----Original Message-----
Hi, Rocio.
There's some misunderstanding or mis-communication here! Your friend may
have subscribed to a "mailing list", rather than a newsgroup. There's a big
difference.
A mailing list uses email. Each subscriber sends an email to the list
moderator (by whatever title), who emails a copy of that message to every
other subscriber. A subscriber will continue to receive emails until the
moderator stops sending them. On one mailing list that I use, very clear
and simple instructions for unsubscribing are included in every message, but
some members ignore those instructions and then complain that they can't
unsubscribe by trying in some other way. :>(
A newsgroup does not use email at all. Yes, messages are sent and received
electronically, like email, but messages are not individually addressed.
You must sign onto a news server and download some or all of the messages
available. You don't go to your mailbox to get your good mail included with
all that junk mail addressed to you; you just go to the public bulletin
board to read messages posted there - and to post your own messages, if you
like. These Microsoft "Discussion Groups" are really newsgroups. You can
see how easy it would be to stop getting these messages: just stop visiting
these groups.
Yes, you do have to establish a connection with the news server where all
the newsgroup messages are posted. In addition to the home news server,
which hosts the groups, many other news servers simply "slurp" messages from
that server and relay them - and any responses - back and forth, often
resulting in messages that are delayed, out of sequence or simply lost. For
these 2,000+ MS public newsgroups, msnews.microsoft.com is the home; many
other servers "slurp" from some of these groups, probably including the news
server provided free by your own ISP.
Once we have an account with a news server, we can subscribe to individual
newsgroups available on that server. There are over 100,000 newsgroups
available on the Usenet; nobody can read them all. I subscribe to a dozen
or so, mostly here at MS public, and try to read a few of the most recent
messages on each of those NGs every day. Here in Win2K.file_systems, there
are about 30 new messages most days, so I might be able to read them all,
but in WinXP.basics, for example, there are 1,000 or more on many days, so I
can read only some of them. But NONE of the messages come to me if I don't
visit that NG, and I can easily unsubscribe at any time.
Check with your friend to see if he knows the difference between mailing
lists and newsgroups. In a mailing list, the moderator "pushes" messages to
subscribers; in a newsgroup, the subscriber must "pull" the messages from
the server.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Gracias, RC, for your detailled response. Your
comparative analogies are well understood
I now realize the main interfece problem resides on the
fact that I use the web-interface, while most of you, the
experienced users, must be using the OE newsgroup email
interface.
In truth, I was feeling comfortable using the web-
interface as it does not feel to intruding. I know of a
close friend who has had a bad experience after
subscribing, more than a year ago, to a newsgroup. When
later he decided he wanted to stop receiving mail from
the newsgroup, there was no way he could do it. To this
day, he still receives close to 100 emails a day.
I'm not too sure I would like to have the same happening
to me at this time, so apart from understanding now what
is required to be able to cross-post, I guess I will be
sticking, at least until I now more about how to avoid a
situation similar to my friend, to browsing the
newsgroups through the web interface.
Thank you again for your thorough response. It has been
very helpful.
Rocio
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.
R
rocio
Dave,
A quick research on what CDO means turned out the
following:
"CDO for Windows 2000 / About CDO for Windows 2000
Collaboration Data Objects (CDO) for Microsoft® Windows®
2000....component designed to simplify writing programs
that create or manipulate Internet messages. CDO for
Windows 2000 is one in a suite of collaborative COM
components referred to collectively as CDO. CDO for
Windows 2000 is an integral part of the Windows 2000
series of operating systems.....The CDO for Windows 2000
component supports sending messages using both the SMTP
and NNTP protocols, as well as through a local SMTP/NNTP
service pickup directory."
And that just a VERY small part... so, perhaps NOT! I'm
definatelly NOT a programmer!
Maybe one day I will understand what all that means, for
now, I just want to customize my system to my needs and
for my OS to work well. Thanks again
Rocio
A quick research on what CDO means turned out the
following:
"CDO for Windows 2000 / About CDO for Windows 2000
Collaboration Data Objects (CDO) for Microsoft® Windows®
2000....component designed to simplify writing programs
that create or manipulate Internet messages. CDO for
Windows 2000 is one in a suite of collaborative COM
components referred to collectively as CDO. CDO for
Windows 2000 is an integral part of the Windows 2000
series of operating systems.....The CDO for Windows 2000
component supports sending messages using both the SMTP
and NNTP protocols, as well as through a local SMTP/NNTP
service pickup directory."
And that just a VERY small part... so, perhaps NOT! I'm
definatelly NOT a programmer!
Maybe one day I will understand what all that means, for
now, I just want to customize my system to my needs and
for my OS to work well. Thanks again
Rocio