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Mhzjunkie

I've made shortcut's for the Event Viewer that only shows Defender events.
Remember these are only shortcuts to what's already included in the OS, the
shortcuts even use Icons from the file "SHELL32.dll" that install with XP.

I've bundled this all together inside an installer program, so that it can
be uninstalled from Add/Remove programs. What I'd like to know is, is this
legal to do, I mean will Microsoft hang me out to dry for something like
this ?

If you don't mind, would you please take a look at what I've done and give
me your comments ? The file can be downloaded from.....

http://www.angelfire.com/super/mhzjunkie/Mhzjunkies_Defender_Events_.msi

All the installer does is install a shortcut to the desktop and start menu
to a customization that shows only Events from Defender. It can be easily
uninstalled by way of add/remove. It will only install under XP. But I
thought it might be handy for folks that couldn't figure out how to make the
shortcut.

All comments welcome !

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
I'd like to know that answer too. I just downloaded it. Works great by the
way;and if there is a legality involved PLEASE let me know;and will
un-install immediately.
Thanks,just what I was looking for ;if it's o.k. with MS that is.
 
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I'd like to know that answer too. I just downloaded it. Works great
by the way;and if there is a legality involved PLEASE let me know;and
will un-install immediately.
Thanks,just what I was looking for ;if it's o.k. with MS that is.
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I don't think there will be a problem with it. It only adds shortcuts.

<shrug>

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Sorry
Mhzjunkie said:
Jeff spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself


I don't think there will be a problem with it. It only adds shortcuts.

<shrug>

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
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Hi,

i only get Error 404 with IE7 and Firefox!

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Mhzjunkie schreef:
 
Tom Emmelot spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself
Hi,

i only get Error 404 with IE7 and Firefox!
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Works now.

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Hi

Yes it is .... ;)

Warning, Warning, Warning

The only problem is Angelfire as download location ;)

regards
plun
 
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Hi Tom

Well, Errorsafe is RTP blocked with WD ;)
Nema problema

This one is "ugly".

http://www.websensesecuritylabs.com/alerts/alert.php?AlertID=472

Read the russian "cookbook" a bit down.........
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Try this plun, see if this is a better ideal. I made up the install as to
help folks and make it easier for them. But your point is well taken, even
though I wouldn't intentionally harm anyone.

http://www.angelfire.com/super/mhzjunkie/Defender.htm

Shew, that was way to much typing for me !

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Hi mhzjunkie

Great ! I "hate" direct downloads without any pages
which explains what it is.

It works, like a Vista filter ;)

regards
plun
 
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Hi mhzjunkie

Great ! I "hate" direct downloads without any pages
which explains what it is.

It works, like a Vista filter ;)
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Yeah I suppose the "direct download" was a bad ideal, I was only tying to
help folks. I'll just leave that page for anyone to use if they'd like.

regards
plun
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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Thanks!

I was away most of the weekend, and have been catching up slowly.

I think I like this pretty well in its present form--i.e. full web page
explaining how to do this yourself.

I've never done any coding for public consumption, and I didn't succeed in
downloading the .MSI file, but as long as there's no licensing issue with
the installer or the icons involved, I think this is very nice.

Here's my one reservation (well, maybe two!) This product is largely used
by folks who are not techies. I suspect the current beta group for Windows
Defender (as opposed to Microsoft Antispyware) is pretty "techie"
weighted--but the beta group as a whole is mostly average Windows users. I
want to be careful about the security related "signals" that we give out,
and one of those is about downloading and running binaries from unknown
sources.

I think that it's important to get people to think three times before
grabbing a binary that somebody else says is the best thing since sliced
bread (surely there must be an updated version of that saying?)--so I want
to be pretty careful about what I refer people to.

So--that's one reservation--nothing about your code, or you--just the
question of how do we steer folks away from bad habits. There's no easy
answer, unfortunately.

The other question will be the bandwidth on your site--I can't guess what
might happen, but this beta is very quiet at the moment, but there will come
a point, when they throw the switch to automatically notify the existing
body of Microsoft Antispyware users that Defender is available, when things
will liven up considerably, I suspect. Hmm--I think that's right about when
I was planning a vacation this year...... At any rate--I don't know what
your hosting arrangements are, but beware.

So--in summary, I like having a web reference to describe this process--I
think I've described it here once or twice, but maybe not--and you did it
better than I ever did--your method is somewhat different.

The binary I don't like as well, for the reasons above--nothing about you or
your code--just trying to keep security advice to clearly "safe" practices.
I'm certainly guilty on this myself--I refer people to dial-a-fix, and to
some .reg files and code on MVP sites--it's a difficult line to try to hold.
But I'm fine with the page the way it is--full manual instructions, and the
option to choose the automatic mechanism if the reader feels challenged, and
is willing to trust you. I'd love to hear how others see this one--it
feels like a tough call to me.

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Bill Sanderson MVP spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself

I've removed the (sliced bread) download and installer. I think it's
probably best that way. I certainly understand where you're coming from on
the "safe" practices" deal. I've been though the web page several times to
make sure all steps are 100% correct. I don't want to send people in the
wrong direction. So, anyway, thanks for your input, and I'll leave the page
as it is, for anyone who needs it.

If bandwidth becomes a problem, I'll work that out as well. And again, thank
you Bill.

I was away most of the weekend, and have been catching up slowly.

I think I like this pretty well in its present form--i.e. full web
page explaining how to do this yourself.

I've never done any coding for public consumption, and I didn't
succeed in downloading the .MSI file, but as long as there's no
licensing issue with the installer or the icons involved, I think
this is very nice.
Here's my one reservation (well, maybe two!) This product is largely
used by folks who are not techies. I suspect the current beta group
for Windows Defender (as opposed to Microsoft Antispyware) is pretty
"techie" weighted--but the beta group as a whole is mostly average
Windows users. I want to be careful about the security related
"signals" that we give out, and one of those is about downloading and
running binaries from unknown sources.

I think that it's important to get people to think three times before
grabbing a binary that somebody else says is the best thing since
sliced bread (surely there must be an updated version of that
saying?)--so I want to be pretty careful about what I refer people to.

So--that's one reservation--nothing about your code, or you--just the
question of how do we steer folks away from bad habits. There's no
easy answer, unfortunately.

The other question will be the bandwidth on your site--I can't guess
what might happen, but this beta is very quiet at the moment, but
there will come a point, when they throw the switch to automatically
notify the existing body of Microsoft Antispyware users that Defender
is available, when things will liven up considerably, I suspect. Hmm--I
think that's right about when I was planning a vacation this
year...... At any rate--I don't know what your hosting arrangements
are, but beware.
So--in summary, I like having a web reference to describe this
process--I think I've described it here once or twice, but maybe
not--and you did it better than I ever did--your method is somewhat
different.
The binary I don't like as well, for the reasons above--nothing about
you or your code--just trying to keep security advice to clearly
"safe" practices. I'm certainly guilty on this myself--I refer people
to dial-a-fix, and to some .reg files and code on MVP sites--it's a
difficult line to try to hold. But I'm fine with the page the way it
is--full manual instructions, and the option to choose the automatic
mechanism if the reader feels challenged, and is willing to trust
you. I'd love to hear how others see this one--it feels like a
tough call to me.
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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Well,
I personally like it; and I'm not sure which category I belong
to; don't really care. True about security tho;and maybe I shouldn't have
downloaded it from an "unknown" source;but hey; A nice shortcut that I
didn't have to configure myself; and useful to me also!!!:-)

Jeff
 
Jeff spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself
Well,
I personally like it; and I'm not sure which category I
belong to; don't really care. True about security tho;and maybe I
shouldn't have downloaded it from an "unknown" source;but hey; A nice
shortcut that I didn't have to configure myself; and useful to me
also!!!:-)
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I'm really glad you found it useful, and you're right it's much simpler when
you don't have to go through all the steps to create the shortcuts. I'll
leave the installer off the site for now, because im just not sure if it's
right to do or not. I might put it back later, I don't know.

But hey, you never know. There may come a time when we don't even need to
make a customized link to event viewer to see Defender events. Microsoft may
wise up and see there's plenty of room under the "Tools" options in Defender
for something like this. A link under the tools options that reads "Windows
Defender Events" or "Defender Logs" that opens a customized view of the
event viewer.

Would make it a lot simpler for the non techie folks. I know this is a fact,
I can mention the Event Viewer to some folks and they look at me as if I'd
lost my mind. They don't know what it is, or where to look for it.

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Mhzjunkie

1 PRINT "Windows XP ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
 
Thanks for the feedback,
I like it because of the ease;sure I could go to the event viewer
and filter for it;but again;Hey,Why? you did it for me!!! Thanks, and your
point is extremely valid. The one thing I liked about MSAS that is not in
Defender is the ability to easily see what is going on at a more detailed
level then just on/off for RTP and what it scans for. Hopefully;as you point
out; MS will see the validity of this for people who want to know more than
"No unwanted or harmful software detected-Your computer is running
normally." That was one of the options I really liked about MSAS; the
ability to see what it's doing.Have fun;hope you don't get overloaded when
MS opens the floodgates. Sincerely, Jeff
 
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