Picture alignment on a Cannon Pixma ip 4200

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I have been printing great photo's with my printer, except for the
price of ink I'm quiet happy with the quality and the printer. I have
notice that when printing portrait shots the end picture size is
different to the original, in that the photo looks like it has been
cropped.
I haven't taken much notice of this before now but I took a nice family
shot perfectly sized but when I print it, the subjects in the picture
have parts of their heads chopped off. I'm using 6"X4" "Cannon Paper
Pro Plus". and selecting that in the picture set up dialogue box. It
only happens when I select "borderless print" when I print with a
border everything prints fine.
Any ideas anyone, it looks like when I compose a picture to take I
will have take this into account and shoot a bit wider picture than
needed.
 
ross said:
I have been printing great photo's with my printer, except for the
price of ink I'm quiet happy with the quality and the printer. I have
notice that when printing portrait shots the end picture size is
different to the original, in that the photo looks like it has been
cropped.
I haven't taken much notice of this before now but I took a nice family
shot perfectly sized but when I print it, the subjects in the picture
have parts of their heads chopped off. I'm using 6"X4" "Cannon Paper
Pro Plus". and selecting that in the picture set up dialogue box. It
only happens when I select "borderless print" when I print with a
border everything prints fine.
Any ideas anyone, it looks like when I compose a picture to take I
will have take this into account and shoot a bit wider picture than
needed.
When printing a borderless photo the printer prints an image somewhat larger
than the selected paper size to avoid leaving white edge. Look at the
adjustment for the amount of extension where you select borderless printing.
There are four positions for this adjustment on my ip5000 - probably the
same as the ip4200. The default is second from the right. You can slide
the adjuster left or right to change the amount of extension. Move it to
the left one position and see how the prints come out. You will see less
loss of your image but you may also get some white edge showing, depending
on how precisely the paper alignment and transport keeps the paper within
the confines of the image you are printing. For an experiment move the
slider all the way to the left and see what happens as well.
 
it appears that on certain size photos you may loose 1.95 vertical and
..1 horizontal of your photo due to the way the printer feeds the paper.
you just need to allow for this when framing and cropping. the amount
may vary with the size of the photo.
 
I think I have solved my problem the printer set-up (paper alignment)
is ok.
When I download photo's from my Pentax camera the raw picture from the
camera is in 6x4 format, then when I save them in "My Pictures" on the
computer as jpeg files this format or size looks like it's in 4x3
aspect.
When I select a photo to print from my files on the computer, the
printer has to change this aspect back to 6x4 to fit the paper size
selected, to do this the picture has to be cropped to fit the paper
size.
I can over come this to a piont by using the "Trim" button on the
printer.
Is there any photo software program that will save the original 6x4
aspect to download onto your computer and save this aspect in your
files( My Pictures)
 
ross said:
I think I have solved my problem the printer set-up (paper alignment)
is ok.
When I download photo's from my Pentax camera the raw picture from the
camera is in 6x4 format, then when I save them in "My Pictures" on the
computer as jpeg files this format or size looks like it's in 4x3
aspect.
When I select a photo to print from my files on the computer, the
printer has to change this aspect back to 6x4 to fit the paper size
selected, to do this the picture has to be cropped to fit the paper
size.
I can over come this to a piont by using the "Trim" button on the
printer.
Is there any photo software program that will save the original 6x4
aspect to download onto your computer and save this aspect in your
files( My Pictures)
Are you shooting in "raw" format, or are you just describing a "raw" picture
as one that is recorded on the memory card in your camera. I don't doubt
what you've described, but it doesn't make sense that transfering the files
to your computer changes the aspect ratio! Are you missing something in the
process that permits you to set the aspect ratio during the transfer? I
would transfer the files directly as they are on the storage media in the
camera and use software compatable with the file format you've shot to edit
and print the pictures.

Does your Pentax appear as a disk drive when attached to the computer with a
USB cable? If so you can right click start, left click explore, cursor down
to the letter drive that is actually your camera and left click, left click
on one of the image files in the right window, go up to edit on the toolbar,
click select all, and drag-copy the files (left click and drag) to the
folder of your choice. They should transfer just as they are on the memory
card in the camera. I use a card reader, insert the memory card from my
camera, and follow the same directions I gave above. I'd also suggest
setting up a subfolder for each set of pictures as the My Pictures folder
will end up with hundreds of image files eventually and I've found it
convenient to keep them in separate folders named for the event at which
pictures were taken.
 
Are you shooting in "raw" format, or are you just describing a "raw" picture
as one that is recorded on the memory card in your camera. I don't doubt
what you've described, but it doesn't make sense that transfering the files
to your computer changes the aspect ratio! Are you missing something in the
process that permits you to set the aspect ratio during the transfer? I
would transfer the files directly as they are on the storage media in the
camera and use software compatable with the file format you've shot to edit
and print the pictures.

Does your Pentax appear as a disk drive when attached to the computer with a
USB cable? If so you can right click start, left click explore, cursor down
to the letter drive that is actually your camera and left click, left click
on one of the image files in the right window, go up to edit on the toolbar,
click select all, and drag-copy the files (left click and drag) to the
folder of your choice. They should transfer just as they are on the memory
card in the camera. I use a card reader, insert the memory card from my
camera, and follow the same directions I gave above. I'd also suggest
setting up a subfolder for each set of pictures as the My Pictures folder
will end up with hundreds of image files eventually and I've found it
convenient to keep them in separate folders named for the event at which > pictures were taken.

Sorry Burt I have checked the jpeg pictures again in the "My Pictures"
folder they are in the same aspect ratio as whats on the camera.I tried
your way of transferring the photographs too but found the end results
the same as what I do.
When I plug in my camera an auto play box comes up asking me what I
want to do with the pictures I select copy pictures to "My Pictures "
folder using windows camera or fax viewer. I name the folder first to
suit the event so I don't have pictures everywhere. Then a wizard comes
up and completes the operation.
I just don't know why the pictures are being enlarge when I print them,
like I said I took a portrait shot yesterday and framed the shot just
right with no extra detail or overhang.but when I go to print it using
the Cannons "Easyprint" setup the photo has detail chopped or cropped
all around the print, like some of the people have their heads chopped
off slightly. I tried the same task on my friends older Cannon printer
and the same thing happen. I'm at a lost to know why the printer does
this because the picture I'm using is in it's native state it hasn't
been edited prior, I'm selecting 6"x4" in the paper selection panel.
 
ross said:
Sorry Burt I have checked the jpeg pictures again in the "My Pictures"
folder they are in the same aspect ratio as whats on the camera.I tried
your way of transferring the photographs too but found the end results
the same as what I do.
When I plug in my camera an auto play box comes up asking me what I
want to do with the pictures I select copy pictures to "My Pictures "
folder using windows camera or fax viewer. I name the folder first to
suit the event so I don't have pictures everywhere. Then a wizard comes
up and completes the operation.
I just don't know why the pictures are being enlarge when I print them,
like I said I took a portrait shot yesterday and framed the shot just
right with no extra detail or overhang.but when I go to print it using
the Cannons "Easyprint" setup the photo has detail chopped or cropped
all around the print, like some of the people have their heads chopped
off slightly. I tried the same task on my friends older Cannon printer
and the same thing happen. I'm at a lost to know why the printer does
this because the picture I'm using is in it's native state it hasn't
been edited prior, I'm selecting 6"x4" in the paper selection panel.
The Canon Easy Print software (please excuse the description) is a dumbed
down program designed for people who are either beginners at the photo
printing proces or are not interested or able to learn a more complex
program. It overrides any color adjustments you might want to do and is
basically on "auto-pilot", taking away many of the controls you might want
to do with the printer. I feel that it is best to use a program like
Photoshop Elements to better control many aspects of your finished result.

I did use a transfer program that came with my Olympus camera once. It
changed the name of the file from the camera-assigned alphanumeric name to
something like 001, 002, etc. The original name included the date and was
more useful for my purposes. That is why I use a simple copy routine in MS
explorer. Any way the file gets from the camera to your hard drive is fair
game!

The cropping you have on all sides with borderless printing is as I
described in a previous answer to you. In the printer dialogue box that
comes up when you start to print a picture you can use the slider to expand
the image less, but it will always print the image slightly larger than the
paper so you don't get a white edge. Easy Print may expand the image more
than if you selected the amount of expansion yourself in the canon software.
For sure, it will use automatic color adjustments which essentially take the
control away from you. When I first purchased my Canon i960 I experimented
with various settings and with use of the automatic functions in the printer
software. I came to the conclusion that I had much better prints when I
didn't turn the color control over to the printer software.

If you decide to purcase a photo editing software package I've found all the
functions I need in Photoshop Elements. I actually like PE3 better than PE4
(although there is a wierd scrolling problem in PE3) Professionals prefer
the more extensive full Photoshop program, but PE3 or 4 is less than $100
and Photoshop is closer to $600, as I recall. Don't be intimidated by a
program such as PE3 or 4 - The basic functions are really easy and you will
catch on to the more complex functions as you use them. I bought the
"idiot" book first - not the best on the subject but it got me started.
 
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