"Photo-me Imagus 1500 scanner"

[Loony]

Hello Experts,

Anyone know of a reasonably priced scanner like this one?

What scanning device would you use to get images with a 3792 x 2546 dpi
resolution on a hard drive?

TIA

 

[Paul]

Hello Experts,

Anyone know of a reasonably priced scanner like this one?

What scanning device would you use to get images with a 3792 x 2546 dpi
resolution on a hard drive?

TIA

That kind of resolution exists on film scanners. They scan
slides or 35mm film strips.

You could look for a used film scanner. You would post a
question in a photography group, to get some feedback
on such a question. There is also one group for scanner
questions, but there might only be one person to answer
your questions there (low traffic level).

Or, you could look at something cheesy. Example of something for $134.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/863022-REG/Wolverine_SNAP14_14Mp_35mm_Film.html

The problem with an advert like that, is there are no trustworthy
measurements listed. The sensor size is given, but no translation
into "native DPI". It's the native DPI that counts, not
any extrapolated value.

Also, with film scanners, you need an objective review
of the thing, to see how bad it is. If all it does, is pick
up dust, hairs, cracks in the film, and your picture not
so much, then it isn't worth buying.

Now, this one is a little more honest. $109 and 1800 DPI. We need
to double the resolution, to approach your spec.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895264-REG/Wolverine_f2d20_20MP_35mm_Film_To.html

Here, ~$400 gets you 7200 DPI optical.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883631-REG/Plustek_783064365338_OpticFilm_8200i_Ai_Film.html

Specs are here. You have to be clear what you want to scan
as well. 35MM film ? Slides ? or 5"x7" prints ? Scanning
prints is a lot different than scanning the other two types.
And for the other two types, you need a "holder" to hold the
media while it goes into the scanner.

http://plustek.com/uk/products/opticfilm-series/opticfilm-8200i-ai/

Scanning Speed 3600 dpi: Approx. 36 sec (Multi-Sampling ON)
7200 dpi: Approx. 113 sec (Multi-Sampling ON)
Scanning Area (W x L) 36.8 mm x 25.4 mm (1.45" x 1")

With a used film scanner, the tricky part is finding drivers
for it, for your OS. For example, a used film scanner might
use SCSI bus for data connection, rather than USB, and good
luck getting that to work. (I have SCSI cards here, but you
have to find cards at the right price. A card might be $400
regular price, or $50 clearance price, if some SCSI company
is going out of business. USB interfaces are just so much
easier and cheaper.)

HTH,
Paul

 

[philo]

Hello Experts,

Anyone know of a reasonably priced scanner like this one?

What scanning device would you use to get images with a 3792 x 2546 dpi
resolution on a hard drive?

TIA

I'd look at Epson

they have reasonably priced scanners with capabilities to scan film and
slides with excellent resolution.

 

[miso]

Hello Experts,

Anyone know of a reasonably priced scanner like this one?

What scanning device would you use to get images with a 3792 x 2546 dpi
resolution on a hard drive?

TIA

You really need a dedicated slide scanner if you expect any kind of
quality. Those flatbeds don't produce very good results. I would suggest
getting one that works with Ed Hamricks Vuescan.

http://www.hamrick.com/

If you insist on doing this on the cheap, I would suggest just using a
service bureau.

 

[philo]

You really need a dedicated slide scanner if you expect any kind of
quality. Those flatbeds don't produce very good results. I would suggest
getting one that works with Ed Hamricks Vuescan.

If you insist on doing this on the cheap, I would suggest just using a
service bureau.

That's exactly what I thought until I got my Epson.
It scans slides and film at better resolution that a dedicated,
professional scanner one of my photographer friends has.


Look at this for example


http://www.jr.com/v500-photo-scanner/pe/EPS_V500PHOTO/


and this is one of Epson's lower end scanners

 

[miso]

That's exactly what I thought until I got my Epson.
It scans slides and film at better resolution that a dedicated,
professional scanner one of my photographer friends has.


Look at this for example


http://www.jr.com/v500-photo-scanner/pe/EPS_V500PHOTO/


and this is one of Epson's lower end scanners

I already own a film scanner, not that it is used much in the 21st century.

If the OP gets vuescan, go for the pro version. Ed did backflips for me.
I can't think of a company that provides better support.

I've used service bureaus myself for high dynamic range scans. You can
rent an Imacon for about $50 an hour if you can find a DIY facility.
Make that a facility still in business. The one I use is history.

I'm not so sure a good DSLR shooting the film wouldn't exceed a flat bed
scanner these days.

http://www.scantips.com/es-1.html

Some people have set up DSLRs with copy stands to rapidly scan books. It
is an alternative idea to a line scan.

 

[philo]

I already own a film scanner, not that it is used much in the 21st century.

If the OP gets vuescan, go for the pro version. Ed did backflips for me.
I can't think of a company that provides better support.

I've used service bureaus myself for high dynamic range scans. You can
rent an Imacon for about $50 an hour if you can find a DIY facility.
Make that a facility still in business. The one I use is history.

I'm not so sure a good DSLR shooting the film wouldn't exceed a flat bed
scanner these days.

Some people have set up DSLRs with copy stands to rapidly scan books. It
is an alternative idea to a line scan.

What I especially like about my Epson flatbed is that when scanning
slides I can do four at a time, and the software automatically
individualizes them. Seriously using an Epson flatbed is the cheapest
and easiest way to go.

It comes with guides for 35mm film & slides...plus also one for medium
format.

The resolution capabilities are *well* beyond what most people would
ever need.

 

[miso]

What I especially like about my Epson flatbed is that when scanning
slides I can do four at a time, and the software automatically
individualizes them. Seriously using an Epson flatbed is the cheapest
and easiest way to go.

It comes with guides for 35mm film & slides...plus also one for medium
format.

The resolution capabilities are *well* beyond what most people would
ever need.

It depends on what you call "need'. The film scanners generally come
with calibration slides, which in turn vuescan can use. It is all a
matter of degree. The "tune up" alone on a Imacon is about a grand. I
had a particular bit of detail that needed the Imacon, but normally a
modest film scanner was fine.

Note that vuescan can do image averaging, so the noise of the sensor can
be averaged out if you are willing to spend a lot time doing the scan.
You should have pecpad and cleaning fluid handy if the slide are not
pristine. Compress air as well.

You pay exponentially more for small increments of performance. But for
film, some people are doing archival work before the film fades.

When they were still making film scanners, you could get a decent one
(say a Dimage) for about $500. They actually sell used for more.

I still say send it to a service bureau. I'm sure anyone left in
business will do a good job. There is an art to doing a good film scan,
especially of slides.

 

[philo]

It depends on what you call "need'. The film scanners generally come
with calibration slides, which in turn vuescan can use. It is all a
matter of degree. The "tune up" alone on a Imacon is about a grand. I
had a particular bit of detail that needed the Imacon, but normally a
modest film scanner was fine.

Note that vuescan can do image averaging, so the noise of the sensor can
be averaged out if you are willing to spend a lot time doing the scan.
You should have pecpad and cleaning fluid handy if the slide are not
pristine. Compress air as well.

You pay exponentially more for small increments of performance. But for
film, some people are doing archival work before the film fades.

When they were still making film scanners, you could get a decent one
(say a Dimage) for about $500. They actually sell used for more.

I still say send it to a service bureau. I'm sure anyone left in
business will do a good job. There is an art to doing a good film scan,
especially of slides.

All this talk about scanners...so I finally dug out my 40 year old+ 35mm
negatives today and started scanning them.

My Epson can do about 14 negatives at a time...
at up to 12,800 dpi

I was very happy with the results ...and even more amazed that I was
able to find my old negatives so easily.


I seriously doubt if a more expensive scanner could do better
or be more convenient.

 

[DevilsPGD]

I seriously doubt if a more expensive scanner could do better
or be more convenient.

A dedicated feeder might be more convenient. As for better or not, I
can't comment as I've never scanned negatives.

 

[philo]

A dedicated feeder might be more convenient. As for better or not, I
can't comment as I've never scanned negatives.

I had the use of a professional slide scanner.

I borrowed it from a friend who paid something like $600 for it.

It can do one slide at a time and has a max resolution of 3200 dpi


The flatbed Epson can do 4 slides at a time at 12,800 dpi
and cost about $150 new ( I got mine as a gift...used)


Not much more to say

 

[miso]

A dedicated feeder might be more convenient. As for better or not, I
can't comment as I've never scanned negatives.

Photographers use dedicated scanners. Part of the battle is keeping the
film flat. The dedicated scanner has a holder for the film. The DOF is
such that it can handle a little curl, and of course, the film itself is
never touched by the scanner. The flatbeds have slide holders, but
gravity is not your friend. The film will sag.

A dedicated film scanner keeps the film vertical. Keeping the film
vertical reduces the chance of dust getting on the film. The IR scan can
help with dust, but much like playing a vinyl recording, cleaning the
media is critical. For emulsion, you use Pec Pads. And they are only
useful for film. Don't use them on your DSLR sensor, filters, or lenses.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...phic_Solutions_PAD44_Pec_Pad_Photo_Wipes.html

Note most flatbed scanners do not resolve at the sensor pitch. All CCDs
have a little sharing between pixels, but due to cost, the flatbeds do
this more.

Here is a test report of an Epson 6400dpi scanner, then actually only
resolves 2300dpi.

 

[JD]

That kind of resolution exists on film scanners. They scan
slides or 35mm film strips.

You could look for a used film scanner. You would post a
question in a photography group, to get some feedback
on such a question. There is also one group for scanner
questions, but there might only be one person to answer
your questions there (low traffic level).

Or, you could look at something cheesy. Example of something for $134.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/863022-REG/Wolverine_SNAP14_14Mp_35mm_Film.html


The problem with an advert like that, is there are no trustworthy
measurements listed. The sensor size is given, but no translation
into "native DPI". It's the native DPI that counts, not
any extrapolated value.

Also, with film scanners, you need an objective review
of the thing, to see how bad it is. If all it does, is pick
up dust, hairs, cracks in the film, and your picture not
so much, then it isn't worth buying.

Now, this one is a little more honest. $109 and 1800 DPI. We need
to double the resolution, to approach your spec.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895264-REG/Wolverine_f2d20_20MP_35mm_Film_To.html


Here, ~$400 gets you 7200 DPI optical.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883631-REG/Plustek_783064365338_OpticFilm_8200i_Ai_Film.html


Specs are here. You have to be clear what you want to scan
as well. 35MM film ? Slides ? or 5"x7" prints ? Scanning
prints is a lot different than scanning the other two types.
And for the other two types, you need a "holder" to hold the
media while it goes into the scanner.

http://plustek.com/uk/products/opticfilm-series/opticfilm-8200i-ai/

Scanning Speed 3600 dpi: Approx. 36 sec (Multi-Sampling ON)
7200 dpi: Approx. 113 sec (Multi-Sampling ON)
Scanning Area (W x L) 36.8 mm x 25.4 mm (1.45" x 1")

With a used film scanner, the tricky part is finding drivers
for it, for your OS. For example, a used film scanner might
use SCSI bus for data connection, rather than USB, and good
luck getting that to work. (I have SCSI cards here, but you
have to find cards at the right price. A card might be $400
regular price, or $50 clearance price, if some SCSI company
is going out of business. USB interfaces are just so much
easier and cheaper.)

HTH,
Paul

Thaaannnkkk YOU Paul,

As usual, you take my breath away. Have a Super New Year

 

[philo]

Photographers use dedicated scanners. Part of the battle is keeping the
film flat. The dedicated scanner has a holder for the film. The DOF is
such that it can handle a little curl, and of course, the film itself is
never touched by the scanner. The flatbeds have slide holders, but
gravity is not your friend. The film will sag.

The one I have uses a guide and an overlay that presses firmly on the
edge of the film. It's very similar to the professional scanner I've
used. Though it's true that the film is scanned horizontally,
gravity hardly comes into play for 35mm film.

A dedicated film scanner keeps the film vertical. Keeping the film
vertical reduces the chance of dust getting on the film. The IR scan can
help with dust, but much like playing a vinyl recording, cleaning the
media is critical. For emulsion, you use Pec Pads. And they are only
useful for film. Don't use them on your DSLR sensor, filters, or lenses.

Note most flatbed scanners do not resolve at the sensor pitch. All CCDs
have a little sharing between pixels, but due to cost, the flatbeds do
this more.

Here is a test report of an Epson 6400dpi scanner, then actually only
resolves 2300dpi.

Even if actual resolution is inflated by the mfg's specs I assure you I
got better results with my Epson scanner @ 12,800 dpi than I did with
the professional scanner @3200 dpi

 

[Paul]

The one I have uses a guide and an overlay that presses firmly on the
edge of the film. It's very similar to the professional scanner I've
used. Though it's true that the film is scanned horizontally,
gravity hardly comes into play for 35mm film.



Even if actual resolution is inflated by the mfg's specs I assure you I
got better results with my Epson scanner @ 12,800 dpi than I did with
the professional scanner @3200 dpi

The retention and feeding aspects are more important with one kind of
sensor than the other. CIS sensors have limited depth of field.
Whereas CCD sensors (the first kind of sensor used in scanners)
have more depth of field, and if the media wasn't exactly in the
focal plane, you might still get a usable result.

http://www.carlmcmillan.com/DOF/DepthofField.htm

Paul

 

[miso]

The retention and feeding aspects are more important with one kind of
sensor than the other. CIS sensors have limited depth of field.
Whereas CCD sensors (the first kind of sensor used in scanners)
have more depth of field, and if the media wasn't exactly in the
focal plane, you might still get a usable result.

http://www.carlmcmillan.com/DOF/DepthofField.htm

Paul

The film scanners have DOF for a reasonable curvature, though some of
the Nikons weren't so great in that department. But keeping the film
vertical really help. The film scanners have decent MTF curves, so the
resolution is close (but of course worse) than the pixel pitch.

Film curvature is a big deal. Insane amounts of engineering went into
film cameras to keep the focal plane a plane.

There were all sorts of format wars in the film age, but when fine grain
color film like Provia hit the market, most people settled on 35mm
format. It was really hard to keep medium format film flat. Further, the
MTF of those medium format lenses were worse than the 35mm format.

I still suggest amateurs use a service bureau. There is a lot of black
magic in getting good scans. I'm glad to say those days are history.