pet peeve

[Husky]

Listen up M$.

I can't count the number of times using the mouse setting 'go to default reply'
has opened crap because I was selecting something else on screen when some jerk
popup bypassed windows security and the mouse setting moved the selector to the
garbage popups default [open me now and see what trash I'm selling you] button.


Put a .05 second delay between pressing and action.

Course the delay on every mouse action would be overkill also.

They need to maybe do something that doesn't allow a window that's been open
for less than a second [or variable length for us old timers that need more
than a second to see what just opened.] to accept a mouse click until the time
has passed.

And don't even suggest turning off the mouse move to default button. That's a
great idea as long as those jerks don't use popups to take advantage of it.

 

[Modem Ani]

1. This is a public newsgroup. If you want to say something to Microsoft you
should contact Microsoft.

2. The default action does not click the mouse.

3. Heard of pop-up blocking software?

Modem Ani

 

[Husky]

1. This is a public newsgroup. If you want to say something to Microsoft you
should contact Microsoft.

Yeah right. I've been using windows more than 7 years now. You need to mortgage
your home for M$ support. And what are they going to do about this ? It's a
great idea to have the mouse move to a default button. Yeah sure I could turn
it off. Lots of things I could do to avoid the random jerk. Like sticking you
into a kill file would end this thread now.
And even assuming I could contact M$, they can't control the jerks. But adding
a delay for mouse input to windows as they open of 1-2 seconds wouldn't be that
impossible. A window can't open without going thru the OS. The moment the
window says it's opening, the OS could start a timer set by default to zero
delay or 1 second delay. It's doubtful a second delay would ever be noticed by
anything but these malicious popups that DEPEND on this hole in the security.

2. The default action does not click the mouse.

I didn't say the DEFAULT action clicked the mouse. I said the default move
mouse to DEFAULT button.

3. Heard of pop-up blocking software?

Never seen a popup bypass the popup security ?
Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Modem Ani

Listen up M$.

I can't count the number of times using the mouse setting 'go to default reply'
has opened crap because I was selecting something else on screen when some jerk
popup bypassed windows security and the mouse setting moved the selector to the
garbage popups default [open me now and see what trash I'm selling you] button.


Put a .05 second delay between pressing and action.

Course the delay on every mouse action would be overkill also.

They need to maybe do something that doesn't allow a window that's been open
for less than a second [or variable length for us old timers that need more
than a second to see what just opened.] to accept a mouse click until the time
has passed.

And don't even suggest turning off the mouse move to default button. That's a
great idea as long as those jerks don't use popups to take advantage of it.

 

[Modem Ani]

"Never seen a popup bypass the popup security ?"

No, in fact, I never have. At least, it's never happened to me. Not on my
home computer, where I control the security, nor on my computer at work,
where security is in the hands of our IT department. Perhaps you should
reconsider your online security practices, or at the very least your
language.

Modem Ani

1. This is a public newsgroup. If you want to say something to Microsoft you
should contact Microsoft.

Yeah right. I've been using windows more than 7 years now. You need to mortgage
your home for M$ support. And what are they going to do about this ? It's a
great idea to have the mouse move to a default button. Yeah sure I could turn
it off. Lots of things I could do to avoid the random jerk. Like sticking you
into a kill file would end this thread now.
And even assuming I could contact M$, they can't control the jerks. But adding
a delay for mouse input to windows as they open of 1-2 seconds wouldn't be that
impossible. A window can't open without going thru the OS. The moment the
window says it's opening, the OS could start a timer set by default to zero
delay or 1 second delay. It's doubtful a second delay would ever be noticed by
anything but these malicious popups that DEPEND on this hole in the security.

2. The default action does not click the mouse.

I didn't say the DEFAULT action clicked the mouse. I said the default move
mouse to DEFAULT button.

3. Heard of pop-up blocking software?

Never seen a popup bypass the popup security ?
Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Modem Ani

Listen up M$.

I can't count the number of times using the mouse setting 'go to

default
reply'

has opened crap because I was selecting something else on screen when

some
jerk

popup bypassed windows security and the mouse setting moved the

selector
to the

garbage popups default [open me now and see what trash I'm selling you] button.


Put a .05 second delay between pressing and action.

Course the delay on every mouse action would be overkill also.

They need to maybe do something that doesn't allow a window that's been open
for less than a second [or variable length for us old timers that need more
than a second to see what just opened.] to accept a mouse click until

the
time

has passed.

And don't even suggest turning off the mouse move to default button. That's a
great idea as long as those jerks don't use popups to take advantage of it.

 

[D.Currie]

Yeah right. I've been using windows more than 7 years now. You need to
mortgage
your home for M$ support. And what are they going to do about this ?

You're complaining to a bumch of other computer users who have NO IDEA when
or what MS is going to do, thus the suggestion that if you want to yell at
MS, go yell at MS. No one said you had to pay for support. There's a
"wishlist" section on the website where you can submit things that you'd
like to see implemented. Like, for example, "I'd like to be able to set a
mouse-click delay."

By the way, have you looked under the disability options, or whatever the
heck it's called. There might already be something there. I know that they
have it for the keyboard, but I don't know for sure about mouse options.

It's a

great idea to have the mouse move to a default button. Yeah sure I could
turn
it off. Lots of things I could do to avoid the random jerk. Like sticking
you
into a kill file would end this thread now.

Nah, you just wouldn't see the answer from that poster. The thread would go
on.

And even assuming I could contact M$, they can't control the jerks. But
adding
a delay for mouse input to windows as they open of 1-2 seconds wouldn't be
that
impossible. A window can't open without going thru the OS. The moment the
window says it's opening, the OS could start a timer set by default to
zero
delay or 1 second delay. It's doubtful a second delay would ever be
noticed by
anything but these malicious popups that DEPEND on this hole in the
security


I didn't say the DEFAULT action clicked the mouse. I said the default move
mouse to DEFAULT button.


Never seen a popup bypass the popup security ?

Well, no, not on my computers. On customer's computers, yes. But if you've
got the system secure, you wouldn't be getting pop-ups. If I saw even one on
one of my computers, I'd be fixing that problem right away because it would
tell me that there was a problem with my security.

Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Getting rid of the pop-ups with the tools MS already has (along with all the
other anti-spyware and pop-up blocking programs that are free and available)
is going to be a lot easier than convincing MS to write some code just for
you. I'm betting most people would not want the mouse being delayed, so it's
a matter of how many people want a feature, and in this case, I doubt there
are hoards clamoring for this particular concept.

And when it comes down to it, the effect you're after might be more of a
function of the mouse driver than the OS itself. You might want to try
contacting some of the mouse manufacturers, starting with the smaller ones
who are more interested in specialty markets.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Microsoft product improvement suggestions:
http://register.microsoft.com/mswis...=/isapi/gomscom.asp?target=/mswish/thanks.htm

 

[Husky]

You're complaining to a bumch of other computer users who have NO IDEA when
or what MS is going to do, thus the suggestion that if you want to yell at
MS, go yell at MS. No one said you had to pay for support. There's a
"wishlist" section on the website where you can submit things that you'd
like to see implemented. Like, for example, "I'd like to be able to set a
mouse-click delay."

By the way, have you looked under the disability options, or whatever the
heck it's called. There might already be something there. I know that they
have it for the keyboard, but I don't know for sure about mouse options.

No it's random. I block maybe 99% of the garbage, but every once in awhile
something gets under the radar and if it has one of those default buttons on
it, my mouse goes right to it regardless of whether I've started pressing on
some other link or not it just grabs the popups default button. If I'd already
pressed that button and this popup inserted itself in front of me, that 1-2
second delay would give me the time to NOT click on it till I'd closed it and
removed it.
I gave up on the disability section when it automatically started typing any
way and when it felt like it.

It's a

Nah, you just wouldn't see the answer from that poster. The thread would go
on.

Well I think he understood. I have no idea what sort of offensive language I
used with him. I normally hit the kill file button long before I start swearing
at trolls.
ie: He hit the kill file with the reply about my language. Not going to argue
semantics with him.

Well, no, not on my computers. On customer's computers, yes. But if you've
got the system secure, you wouldn't be getting pop-ups. If I saw even one on
one of my computers, I'd be fixing that problem right away because it would
tell me that there was a problem with my security.

You're probably missing a lot of the good stuff on the web then. you have the
security too tight. I had it set so nothing got thru when I 1st got XP up and
running. Then I found it couldn't access Flash, couldn't run MPG movies without
constant approval. Lot of java and other script stuff like activex. XP blocks a
lot of the good stuff by default and yes you can block every thing on the web.
The next question would be why bother getting on the web if you're going to
turn off more than 50% of it. Like going to an art museum and only looking at
the black and white stuff.

There's settings to ask vs turn off, but nothing at all other than all the way
off to block the jerks taking advantage of this hole.

Getting rid of the pop-ups with the tools MS already has (along with all the
other anti-spyware and pop-up blocking programs that are free and available)
is going to be a lot easier than convincing MS to write some code just for
you. I'm betting most people would not want the mouse being delayed, so it's
a matter of how many people want a feature, and in this case, I doubt there
are hoards clamoring for this particular concept.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.
As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts to load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it takes for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

And when it comes down to it, the effect you're after might be more of a
function of the mouse driver than the OS itself. You might want to try
contacting some of the mouse manufacturers, starting with the smaller ones
who are more interested in specialty markets.

The mouse config section would have to have this option available to be used
with the OS.

Without the option available from the OS, mouse drivers wouldn't be making
functions that they can't control.

 

[Husky]

Microsoft product improvement suggestions:
http://register.microsoft.com/mswis...=/isapi/gomscom.asp?target=/mswish/thanks.htm

will try it.

 

[D.Currie]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:38:10 -0700, "D.Currie"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I gave up on the disability section when it automatically started typing
any
way and when it felt like it.

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

You're probably missing a lot of the good stuff on the web then. you have
the
security too tight. I had it set so nothing got thru when I 1st got XP up
and
running. Then I found it couldn't access Flash, couldn't run MPG movies
without
constant approval. Lot of java and other script stuff like activex. XP
blocks a
lot of the good stuff by default and yes you can block every thing on the
web.
The next question would be why bother getting on the web if you're going
to
turn off more than 50% of it. Like going to an art museum and only looking
at
the black and white stuff.

There's settings to ask vs turn off, but nothing at all other than all the
way
off to block the jerks taking advantage of this hole.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

The mouse config section would have to have this option available to be
used
with the OS.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

Without the option available from the OS, mouse drivers wouldn't be making
functions that they can't control.

Maybe you should look into writing your own little program that will do what
you want.

 

[David Candy]

If he operated at the factory default settings there would be no problem.

--
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http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:38:10 -0700, "D.Currie"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I gave up on the disability section when it automatically started typing
any
way and when it felt like it.

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

You're probably missing a lot of the good stuff on the web then. you have
the
security too tight. I had it set so nothing got thru when I 1st got XP up
and
running. Then I found it couldn't access Flash, couldn't run MPG movies
without
constant approval. Lot of java and other script stuff like activex. XP
blocks a
lot of the good stuff by default and yes you can block every thing on the
web.
The next question would be why bother getting on the web if you're going
to
turn off more than 50% of it. Like going to an art museum and only looking
at
the black and white stuff.

There's settings to ask vs turn off, but nothing at all other than all the
way
off to block the jerks taking advantage of this hole.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

The mouse config section would have to have this option available to be
used
with the OS.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

Without the option available from the OS, mouse drivers wouldn't be making
functions that they can't control.

Maybe you should look into writing your own little program that will do what
you want.

 

[Husky]

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

It was a 'pet peeve' I never expected anything to be done about it. I'm using
XP pro, at least 10 years after win98 came out. And it has bugs 98 had that
still need fixing.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Maybe you don't browse as many sites filled with ads as I do. Just today I got
one probably from ebay on run this virus checker now.
That's another one I hate when the ads take and assume the look of an official
M$ page. You have to ask what's this about instead of just DELETE!.

I block more than 99% and seldom have to ALLOW anything. But then I've been
using blockers for more than 7 years now. Which is why this particular pet
peeve. You have to loosen things up to see the good stuff. But the jerks take
advantage of this loosening to slip their garbage in past the blockers.

Ads in flash all the time, plain gif images, the ATI website is a real good
example of the next generation ads. They aren't blockable yet because they are
part of the page and very low on the security blocking totem pole.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

Today's popup was just a plain old web page I suspect piggy backed on an actual
page that I did open. Though this particular would have to be classified pop
back as I only found it when clicking open windows in the status bar.

I'm set to block them without asking. IOW OFF. no popups. But every once in
awhile the maverick popup does get thru.

And those are the ones the peeve is about. Something about them stealth's them
past XP's security. it's blocking better than 99% of the popups. Why because
some web sites I allow into the web security zone. Mostly to save time
re-signing in on every page to allow a cookie.
That's how they get into your security they come in if you allow cookies from
their web site. excite, yahoo, and ebay. So unless those sites only have 1
popup that's what's letting them pass.
Still not something I'm willing to change as long as they use cookies. I'd
rather not sign in every time I read an article then hit the back button to the
main page.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

But if those oddities didn't exist in the OS, your mouse couldn't do them.
The drivers have to modify OS volatile memory addresses to do what they do. ie:
Trails, a function of the graphic cards. mouse sets a delay variable, updates
the graphic cards variable with it. Provides it's own graphic, or uses built
ins.
Mouse movement and selection would access the OS and movement access the
graphic cards.

Think of it this way the mouse driver is telling a bunch of switches which way
to be, either on or off.
The switch has to exist for the driver to access it. I don't believe there is
such a switch in the OS to delay action to a web page, but I could be wrong.
I haven't written anything since my Amiga died. Now that was/is a machine.
But with support dried up or moved to Europe, it's not sensible to even have a
working amiga around when it takes weeks maybe months for the simplest repairs
or support.

I take that back. I do have VBasic, current version, and did have Vjava which
became obsolete with XP. Couldn't even re-install it.I've done my own piddly stuff. But don't think this is a function that can be
done with just a mouse driver. Just like the graphic cards aren't stand
alone's. They need to build their stuff [to stay competitive and have the stuff
work] according to the OS they're designing for.
Actually I think trying to make this a software function vs hardware would be a
bad idea. software 90% of the time slows things down. where hardware it's
almost instantaneous.
By the time the software saw the window opening, and told the switch to start
counting down from 2 seconds, the plain window popup could have already been
clicked.
where the OS would see it and immediately or nano seconds later set the
blocking counter.
ie: It's the OS that does the popup blocking, sees the window opening and
either allows or doesn't allow it to open. Those it allows should have this 1-2
second block action delay installed to give someone time to see just what it is
they're clicking on.
See it's not a mouse function. And trying to make it one would be like trying
to keep horses employed by making them chauffeurs in today's cars.
Illogical.

 

[Husky]

If he operated at the factory default settings there would be no problem.

The factory defaults are those settings that say you aren't smart enough to do
it on your own.

This is a problem caused by those smart enough to take advantage of windows
holes in security specifically the sites request cookies to avoid having to
sign in on every visit to their web page. At this time they stick some crap on
your machine [that can be cleaned up daily by IE after browsing]. Once you
allow cookies, your security is semi compromised. it's catch-22 they get you
either of 2 ways, either they annoy with having to login with every article you
view on their site, or you allow their site to stick stealth on your machine to
avoid signing in every 2 minutes.

Then there's Adaware that goes after the cookies and other things that IE
misses. or a virus scanner.

Default settings are like winter clothes to avoid a tan. it's overkill.
It blocks everything.

 

[Modem Ani]

"I'm using XP pro, at least 10 years after win98 came out."

lol!

Modem Ani

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

It was a 'pet peeve' I never expected anything to be done about it. I'm using
XP pro, at least 10 years after win98 came out. And it has bugs 98 had that
still need fixing.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Maybe you don't browse as many sites filled with ads as I do. Just today I got
one probably from ebay on run this virus checker now.
That's another one I hate when the ads take and assume the look of an official
M$ page. You have to ask what's this about instead of just DELETE!.

I block more than 99% and seldom have to ALLOW anything. But then I've been
using blockers for more than 7 years now. Which is why this particular pet
peeve. You have to loosen things up to see the good stuff. But the jerks take
advantage of this loosening to slip their garbage in past the blockers.

Ads in flash all the time, plain gif images, the ATI website is a real good
example of the next generation ads. They aren't blockable yet because they are
part of the page and very low on the security blocking totem pole.

Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your
mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Getting rid of the pop-ups with the tools MS already has (along with all
the
other anti-spyware and pop-up blocking programs that are free and
available)
is going to be a lot easier than convincing MS to write some code just for
you. I'm betting most people would not want the mouse being delayed, so
it's
a matter of how many people want a feature, and in this case, I doubt
there
are hoards clamoring for this particular concept.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

Today's popup was just a plain old web page I suspect piggy backed on an actual
page that I did open. Though this particular would have to be classified pop
back as I only found it when clicking open windows in the status bar.

I'm set to block them without asking. IOW OFF. no popups. But every once in
awhile the maverick popup does get thru.

And those are the ones the peeve is about. Something about them stealth's them
past XP's security. it's blocking better than 99% of the popups. Why because
some web sites I allow into the web security zone. Mostly to save time
re-signing in on every page to allow a cookie.
That's how they get into your security they come in if you allow cookies from
their web site. excite, yahoo, and ebay. So unless those sites only have 1
popup that's what's letting them pass.
Still not something I'm willing to change as long as they use cookies. I'd
rather not sign in every time I read an article then hit the back button to the
main page.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

But if those oddities didn't exist in the OS, your mouse couldn't do them.
The drivers have to modify OS volatile memory addresses to do what they do. ie:
Trails, a function of the graphic cards. mouse sets a delay variable, updates
the graphic cards variable with it. Provides it's own graphic, or uses built
ins.
Mouse movement and selection would access the OS and movement access the
graphic cards.

Think of it this way the mouse driver is telling a bunch of switches which way
to be, either on or off.
The switch has to exist for the driver to access it. I don't believe there is
such a switch in the OS to delay action to a web page, but I could be wrong.I haven't written anything since my Amiga died. Now that was/is a machine.
But with support dried up or moved to Europe, it's not sensible to even have a
working amiga around when it takes weeks maybe months for the simplest repairs
or support.

I take that back. I do have VBasic, current version, and did have Vjava which
became obsolete with XP. Couldn't even re-install it.I've done my own piddly stuff. But don't think this is a function that can be
done with just a mouse driver. Just like the graphic cards aren't stand
alone's. They need to build their stuff [to stay competitive and have the stuff
work] according to the OS they're designing for.
Actually I think trying to make this a software function vs hardware would be a
bad idea. software 90% of the time slows things down. where hardware it's
almost instantaneous.
By the time the software saw the window opening, and told the switch to start
counting down from 2 seconds, the plain window popup could have already been
clicked.
where the OS would see it and immediately or nano seconds later set the
blocking counter.
ie: It's the OS that does the popup blocking, sees the window opening and
either allows or doesn't allow it to open. Those it allows should have this 1-2
second block action delay installed to give someone time to see just what it is
they're clicking on.
See it's not a mouse function. And trying to make it one would be like trying
to keep horses employed by making them chauffeurs in today's cars.
Illogical.

Maybe you should look into writing your own little program that will do what
you want.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I think I see the problem here.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

If he operated at the factory default settings there would be no problem.

The factory defaults are those settings that say you aren't smart enough
to do
it on your own.

This is a problem caused by those smart enough to take advantage of
windows
holes in security specifically the sites request cookies to avoid having
to
sign in on every visit to their web page. At this time they stick some
crap on
your machine [that can be cleaned up daily by IE after browsing]. Once you
allow cookies, your security is semi compromised. it's catch-22 they get
you
either of 2 ways, either they annoy with having to login with every
article you
view on their site, or you allow their site to stick stealth on your
machine to
avoid signing in every 2 minutes.

Then there's Adaware that goes after the cookies and other things that IE
misses. or a virus scanner.

Default settings are like winter clothes to avoid a tan. it's overkill.
It blocks everything.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Let's see, 2005 minus 1998. Yep, that's ten years all right.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no
one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

It was a 'pet peeve' I never expected anything to be done about it. I'm
using
XP pro, at least 10 years after win98 came out. And it has bugs 98 had
that
still need fixing.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I
do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Maybe you don't browse as many sites filled with ads as I do. Just today I
got
one probably from ebay on run this virus checker now.
That's another one I hate when the ads take and assume the look of an
official
M$ page. You have to ask what's this about instead of just DELETE!.

I block more than 99% and seldom have to ALLOW anything. But then I've
been
using blockers for more than 7 years now. Which is why this particular pet
peeve. You have to loosen things up to see the good stuff. But the jerks
take
advantage of this loosening to slip their garbage in past the blockers.

Ads in flash all the time, plain gif images, the ATI website is a real
good
example of the next generation ads. They aren't blockable yet because they
are
part of the page and very low on the security blocking totem pole.

Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses
the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your
mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Getting rid of the pop-ups with the tools MS already has (along with all
the
other anti-spyware and pop-up blocking programs that are free and
available)
is going to be a lot easier than convincing MS to write some code just
for
you. I'm betting most people would not want the mouse being delayed, so
it's
a matter of how many people want a feature, and in this case, I doubt
there
are hoards clamoring for this particular concept.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some
people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts
to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it
takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on
those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first
place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow
than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

Today's popup was just a plain old web page I suspect piggy backed on an
actual
page that I did open. Though this particular would have to be classified
pop
back as I only found it when clicking open windows in the status bar.

I'm set to block them without asking. IOW OFF. no popups. But every once
in
awhile the maverick popup does get thru.

And those are the ones the peeve is about. Something about them stealth's
them
past XP's security. it's blocking better than 99% of the popups. Why
because
some web sites I allow into the web security zone. Mostly to save time
re-signing in on every page to allow a cookie.
That's how they get into your security they come in if you allow cookies
from
their web site. excite, yahoo, and ebay. So unless those sites only have 1
popup that's what's letting them pass.
Still not something I'm willing to change as long as they use cookies. I'd
rather not sign in every time I read an article then hit the back button
to the
main page.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

But if those oddities didn't exist in the OS, your mouse couldn't do them.
The drivers have to modify OS volatile memory addresses to do what they
do. ie:
Trails, a function of the graphic cards. mouse sets a delay variable,
updates
the graphic cards variable with it. Provides it's own graphic, or uses
built
ins.
Mouse movement and selection would access the OS and movement access the
graphic cards.

Think of it this way the mouse driver is telling a bunch of switches which
way
to be, either on or off.
The switch has to exist for the driver to access it. I don't believe
there is
such a switch in the OS to delay action to a web page, but I could be
wrong.
I haven't written anything since my Amiga died. Now that was/is a machine.
But with support dried up or moved to Europe, it's not sensible to even
have a
working amiga around when it takes weeks maybe months for the simplest
repairs
or support.

I take that back. I do have VBasic, current version, and did have Vjava
which
became obsolete with XP. Couldn't even re-install it.I've done my own piddly stuff. But don't think this is a function that can
be
done with just a mouse driver. Just like the graphic cards aren't stand
alone's. They need to build their stuff [to stay competitive and have the
stuff
work] according to the OS they're designing for.
Actually I think trying to make this a software function vs hardware would
be a
bad idea. software 90% of the time slows things down. where hardware it's
almost instantaneous.
By the time the software saw the window opening, and told the switch to
start
counting down from 2 seconds, the plain window popup could have already
been
clicked.
where the OS would see it and immediately or nano seconds later set the
blocking counter.
ie: It's the OS that does the popup blocking, sees the window opening and
either allows or doesn't allow it to open. Those it allows should have
this 1-2
second block action delay installed to give someone time to see just what
it is
they're clicking on.
See it's not a mouse function. And trying to make it one would be like
trying
to keep horses employed by making them chauffeurs in today's cars.
Illogical.

Maybe you should look into writing your own little program that will do
what
you want.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

And, oh yes, about that NT codebase that XP is built on; just how much Win98
buggy code would that include?

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)

Okay, how about submitting your request to the wishlist? Chances are no
one
here is going to be able to make it happen for you.

It was a 'pet peeve' I never expected anything to be done about it. I'm
using
XP pro, at least 10 years after win98 came out. And it has bugs 98 had
that
still need fixing.

I'm not missing anything that I need, but I get no popups unless I
specifically allow them. Most of the time I don't want them, and when I
do,
it's a mouse-click to get them. Not a big deal.

Maybe you don't browse as many sites filled with ads as I do. Just today I
got
one probably from ebay on run this virus checker now.
That's another one I hate when the ads take and assume the look of an
official
M$ page. You have to ask what's this about instead of just DELETE!.

I block more than 99% and seldom have to ALLOW anything. But then I've
been
using blockers for more than 7 years now. Which is why this particular pet
peeve. You have to loosen things up to see the good stuff. But the jerks
take
advantage of this loosening to slip their garbage in past the blockers.

Ads in flash all the time, plain gif images, the ATI website is a real
good
example of the next generation ads. They aren't blockable yet because they
are
part of the page and very low on the security blocking totem pole.

Read what I said.
if you're in the process of a click and some strange popup bypasses
the
security, it's too late to NOT click if it's put itself between your
mouse
click and what you were going to click that's now UNDER the popup.

Getting rid of the pop-ups with the tools MS already has (along with all
the
other anti-spyware and pop-up blocking programs that are free and
available)
is going to be a lot easier than convincing MS to write some code just
for
you. I'm betting most people would not want the mouse being delayed, so
it's
a matter of how many people want a feature, and in this case, I doubt
there
are hoards clamoring for this particular concept.

Actually adding popup killers to XP is a complete waste. It just eats up
resources. XP PRO has it's own popup killer.

Okay...I was just pointing out that there are plenty available. Some
people
don't like MSs version.

As for this particular delay, like I said it would most likely be
unnoticeable
to all but these jerk popups that get past the security. Window starts
to
load,
OS sets [do not accept mouse for 2 seconds] depending on how long it
takes
for
that popup to jump in front of you, it would only have an effect on
those
IMMEDIATE popups. nothing but text no graphics to slow it's loading
process.
One second nothing there then BAM in front of you.

Which is only a problem if you're letting the pop-ups in in the first
place.
I'd rather block the pop-ups in general and choose which ones to allow
than
to have to wait 2 seconds to click the mouse every time a random pop-up
appears, considering that I probably don't want the pop-up in the first
place. It takes me a lot less than 2 seconds to click to allow a wanted
pop-up. And if you're letting them in, you still have to click to close
them, so it's not like you're saving a mouse-click somewhere.

Today's popup was just a plain old web page I suspect piggy backed on an
actual
page that I did open. Though this particular would have to be classified
pop
back as I only found it when clicking open windows in the status bar.

I'm set to block them without asking. IOW OFF. no popups. But every once
in
awhile the maverick popup does get thru.

And those are the ones the peeve is about. Something about them stealth's
them
past XP's security. it's blocking better than 99% of the popups. Why
because
some web sites I allow into the web security zone. Mostly to save time
re-signing in on every page to allow a cookie.
That's how they get into your security they come in if you allow cookies
from
their web site. excite, yahoo, and ebay. So unless those sites only have 1
popup that's what's letting them pass.
Still not something I'm willing to change as long as they use cookies. I'd
rather not sign in every time I read an article then hit the back button
to the
main page.

The mouse config section is a function of the mouse drivers. I've got a
specialty mouse that does all sorts of odd things that aren't a "normal"
part of the basic mouse drivers.

But if those oddities didn't exist in the OS, your mouse couldn't do them.
The drivers have to modify OS volatile memory addresses to do what they
do. ie:
Trails, a function of the graphic cards. mouse sets a delay variable,
updates
the graphic cards variable with it. Provides it's own graphic, or uses
built
ins.
Mouse movement and selection would access the OS and movement access the
graphic cards.

Think of it this way the mouse driver is telling a bunch of switches which
way
to be, either on or off.
The switch has to exist for the driver to access it. I don't believe
there is
such a switch in the OS to delay action to a web page, but I could be
wrong.
I haven't written anything since my Amiga died. Now that was/is a machine.
But with support dried up or moved to Europe, it's not sensible to even
have a
working amiga around when it takes weeks maybe months for the simplest
repairs
or support.

I take that back. I do have VBasic, current version, and did have Vjava
which
became obsolete with XP. Couldn't even re-install it.I've done my own piddly stuff. But don't think this is a function that can
be
done with just a mouse driver. Just like the graphic cards aren't stand
alone's. They need to build their stuff [to stay competitive and have the
stuff
work] according to the OS they're designing for.
Actually I think trying to make this a software function vs hardware would
be a
bad idea. software 90% of the time slows things down. where hardware it's
almost instantaneous.
By the time the software saw the window opening, and told the switch to
start
counting down from 2 seconds, the plain window popup could have already
been
clicked.
where the OS would see it and immediately or nano seconds later set the
blocking counter.
ie: It's the OS that does the popup blocking, sees the window opening and
either allows or doesn't allow it to open. Those it allows should have
this 1-2
second block action delay installed to give someone time to see just what
it is
they're clicking on.
See it's not a mouse function. And trying to make it one would be like
trying
to keep horses employed by making them chauffeurs in today's cars.
Illogical.

Maybe you should look into writing your own little program that will do
what
you want.

 

[Husky]

Oh yeah that's what I want. When they say if something seems to be too good to
be true, all these FREE search bars to install on your browser or desktop is
what they had in mind.

I tried weatherbug until I tried to remove it. there was no uninstaller
available. The support page was a 404, and it seemed I wasn't the only one that
found weatherbug to be malware.

What these 'FREEBIES' want is the same thing the sites that require cookies.
They want access to your personal info.
As for the popup issue, I mentioned the popups are coming from yahoo, ebay,
excite or IRS.GOV. Sites where you NEED to give up some access to your machine
to avoid the annoyance factor that they have a machine with ZERO memory on who
you are unless they can stick a cookie on your machine.
Without that access you need to sign in every 10 seconds.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Weatherbug is truly bad.