Pentium 4 HT upgrade - thermal issues?

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Hello,

I have a Dell Dimension B110 (which I got for a steal) that has an
Intel Celeron D 325 processor. From my research, I have learned that I
can upgrade it with a Socket 478 Pentium 4 with HT, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116027 .
However, I have heard from many sources that P4s run quite hot. My
system currently has a passive heatsink and a fan shroud; do I need
the active heatsink that comes with the retail version? I don't want
to pay more (OEM is almost 1/2 the price) if I don't have to. Thanks!
 
dylpkls91 said:
Hello,

I have a Dell Dimension B110 (which I got for a steal) that has an
Intel Celeron D 325 processor. From my research, I have learned that I
can upgrade it with a Socket 478 Pentium 4 with HT, like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116027 .
However, I have heard from many sources that P4s run quite hot. My
system currently has a passive heatsink and a fan shroud; do I need
the active heatsink that comes with the retail version? I don't want
to pay more (OEM is almost 1/2 the price) if I don't have to. Thanks!

That Newegg 3GHz Prescott is 89 watts. It is FSB800. The chipset is
865GV and appears to support FSB800. (It would be reassuring to see
a spec from Dell, stating what the strongest processor is that you
can use. Powerleap listed a 3.2GHz for it.)

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL8JZ

There is more than one Celeron D 325 2.53Ghz/FSB533 in the list on the Intel site.
This one is 73 watts.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL7ND

So it is drawing 16W more.

The CPU cooling is ducted, with a fan on the back of the computer case.

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim1100/en/SM/parts.htm

OK, I got lucky. Go here, select Dell, then 1100/B110, and they show
a two heatpipe cooling assembly. Perhaps that is what Dell would use
with a stronger processor. Price is $21.95 for a passive heatsink that
has two heat pipes. The purpose of the heatpipes, is to make
better use of the fins - it ensures the heat is better able to get to
the fin, and a heatpipe is more conductive than solid copper of equal
size.

http://www.powerleap.com/SystemSearch.html

At some point, you might need some thermal paste, to apply sparingly
between the CPU top and the heatsink. The new heatsink may have a
single use pad applied to it already, so won't need anything for
the first assembly. But if you are continually taking the thing
apart, some Arctic Silver AS5 or Ceramique would be handy to pick
up, when you get the processor. You use fresh paste, to ensure the
two surfaces are in good contact with one another. It takes a couple
days, for the paste to "bed in" and do its job well (temps will drop
a degree or two more, after initial application).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100009 (Ceramique)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007 (AS5)

Paul
 
You HAVE to use a CPU fan cooler with the P4 HT. It does run hot.


Dell et all did use a similar passive 'sink with shroud to
cool the P4, but such an equipped system may have had a
larger passive heatsink and a higher speed fan.
 
That Newegg 3GHz Prescott is 89 watts. It is FSB800. The chipset is
865GV and appears to support FSB800. (It would be reassuring to see
a spec from Dell, stating what the strongest processor is that you
can use. Powerleap listed a 3.2GHz for it.)

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL8JZ

There is more than one Celeron D 325 2.53Ghz/FSB533 in the list on the Intel site.
This one is 73 watts.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL7ND

So it is drawing 16W more.

The CPU cooling is ducted, with a fan on the back of the computer case.

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim1100/en/SM/parts.htm

OK, I got lucky. Go here, select Dell, then 1100/B110, and they show
a two heatpipe cooling assembly. Perhaps that is what Dell would use
with a stronger processor. Price is $21.95 for a passive heatsink that
has two heat pipes. The purpose of the heatpipes, is to make
better use of the fins - it ensures the heat is better able to get to
the fin, and a heatpipe is more conductive than solid copper of equal
size.

http://www.powerleap.com/SystemSearch.html

At some point, you might need some thermal paste, to apply sparingly
between the CPU top and the heatsink. The new heatsink may have a
single use pad applied to it already, so won't need anything for
the first assembly. But if you are continually taking the thing
apart, some Arctic Silver AS5 or Ceramique would be handy to pick
up, when you get the processor. You use fresh paste, to ensure the
two surfaces are in good contact with one another. It takes a couple
days, for the paste to "bed in" and do its job well (temps will drop
a degree or two more, after initial application).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...roduct/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007(AS5)

Paul

Thank you very much for your reply. I looked at powerleap.com, and the
sink with heatpipes looks like a good idea. Or would this do the
trick? Reviewed great. It's got a fan, so wouldn't it be better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106606 Out of
the two, which would you go with? They are about the same price. I'm
not a gamer, mostly graphic design/media/video compression. Quiet
would be nice though.

I'll still get my proc from newegg, the ones on powerleap are really
expensive in comparison. I'll also pick up some Arctic Silver, even
though I will install the cpu once and never touch it again. I guess
I'll just scrape off the preapplied stuff, right?

One last thing: will a 250W power supply be OK for the proc I want?
All I have is mobo, cpu, fan, 1 hard drive, 1 optical drive, no
floppy.

Thanks again!
Dylan
 
dylpkls91 said:
Thank you very much for your reply. I looked at powerleap.com, and the
sink with heatpipes looks like a good idea. Or would this do the
trick? Reviewed great. It's got a fan, so wouldn't it be better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106606 Out of
the two, which would you go with? They are about the same price. I'm
not a gamer, mostly graphic design/media/video compression. Quiet
would be nice though.

I'll still get my proc from newegg, the ones on powerleap are really
expensive in comparison. I'll also pick up some Arctic Silver, even
though I will install the cpu once and never touch it again. I guess
I'll just scrape off the preapplied stuff, right?

One last thing: will a 250W power supply be OK for the proc I want?
All I have is mobo, cpu, fan, 1 hard drive, 1 optical drive, no
floppy.

Thanks again!
Dylan

I only suggested the Powerleap solution, because it fits in the space
of the current cooler. If the plastic duct is removed, that would
make more room for a third-party cooler. The only question then would
be, would the 80mm cooler, spread the processor heat around the
computer case, before the rear fan has a chance to remove it.
The Dell solution, pulls the exhaust air through the CPU heatsink,
thereby preventing the CPU heat from spreading into the computer
case. You can try the TR2-M12 if you like, but I'd want to monitor the
temperatures of computer case (motherboard temp) and CPU temp,
for both the before and after cases, to see if the change has an
adverse effect.

Think of it this way. If Dell could save on the plastic fan duct,
by just using the cooler you have in mind, they probably would
have done it.

The 250W supply limit is harder to figure out. On the one hand,
it is an extra 17 watts, which isn't much more.

The processor usually runs from the 12V rail. The Vcore converter,
turns the 12V, into the 1.5V or so, that the processor needs.
The converter is about 90% efficient (some loss present as heat).
(89W/12V) * (1/0.90) = 8.24 amps from the 12V rail. Hard drive is
about 0.6 amps, CDROM (when disc is present) is 1.5 amps, fans are
0.5 amps or so. Video card would also draw power, if one were present,
but your computer has integrated graphics, so none of that is 12V power.
Your total 12V rail is about 8.24+0.6+1.5+0.5 = 10.84 amps.

There are several limits to check. I cannot work them all out. The
computer total power would be the parts we now know, like 12V * 10.84A = 130W
plus an allocation of 50W for the motherboard, 10W for the 5V rail feeding
the disk and CDROM, 10W for standby power. That is a total of about 200W.
So the peak power load is pretty close to the supply capacity, as you'd
expect on a small supply. The amount of that, that is on the 3.3V or
the 5V rail is unknown. My motherboard is from a similar generation, and
my motherboard leans pretty hard on the 3.3V rail (about 14 amps or so).
Some of my power on 3.3V is for a video card, so yours will be considerably
less (maybe 8 amps). But that is purely guessing, because the designers are
free to mess about as they wish with that stuff.

Based on the little I know, I'd say you are still OK. Just watch your
computer case temperatures, to get some idea as to whether you've messed
up the cooling too much or not. If there is no hardware monitor in the machine,
you can always use a room thermometer to check the case temp. The reason for
keeping the case cool, is so the hard drive doesn't get too hot.

The power supply ratings are usually printed on a label on the side of the
supply. You can compare the above numbers, against what is printed on your
supply. Basically, you want to check that the 12V rail has at least 11 amps
and preferably more, to offer.

Paul
 
Ok, so it has usable drives, and case. Otherwise, it is not
a good upgrade candidate.


You will end up with lower performance than buying
current-generation CPU/platform, and end up paying as much
in power bills for this less efficient platform.



Of course, nobody wants to pay more, but the system probably
has a thermal feedback to a fan controller circuit, so how
loud do you want to accept it to be?

It'll run hotter, fan louder, until it reaches a peak then
throttles down. We can't say what noise level is
acceptible, and you didn't say what your primary
applications are. It may or may not make sense to do this
upgrade.

Thank you very much for your reply. I looked at powerleap.com, and the
sink with heatpipes looks like a good idea.

Except it raises the price of upgrade even more. The real
question is how important it is to retain the Dell OEM
software/OS licenses. If they are important, it makes sense
to upgrade. If they are not, it may be time to replace the
motherboard.


Or would this do the
trick? Reviewed great. It's got a fan, so wouldn't it be better?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106606

That product does not look suitable for low noise at 80W.
It looks like Thermaltake's typical attempt to deceive users
by advertising a product barely capable of the max design
power per their processor rating.

I feel it is the wrong option, if you have more money in the
budget then now is the time to upgrade to Core2Duo.


Out of
the two, which would you go with? They are about the same price. I'm
not a gamer, mostly graphic design/media/video compression. Quiet
would be nice though.

For these high heat P4 generations, a larger 'sink with
heatpipe cooling and large lower RPM fan is the quiet
alternative. It may be possible in the OEM case but measure
available clearance, and you won't be able to use the OEM
rear fan shroud anymore, and if that shroud mounts the fan
to the chassis, you may need to devise an alternate mounting
method. There are several things that might be possible,
but not seeing the case, I am only mentioning the more
conservative approach.


I'll still get my proc from newegg, the ones on powerleap are really
expensive in comparison. I'll also pick up some Arctic Silver, even
though I will install the cpu once and never touch it again. I guess
I'll just scrape off the preapplied stuff, right?

Scraping may not be enough, typically a petroleum distillate
based solvent is used to dissolve the pre-existing thermal
interface material.


One last thing: will a 250W power supply be OK for the proc I want?
All I have is mobo, cpu, fan, 1 hard drive, 1 optical drive, no
floppy.


What about the video card? A 250W PSU is marginal, but
might work if you are using integrated video and it's a PSU
with mostly 12V rail biased output. The reason it may
work is that Dell more conservatively specs their PSUs than
the retail market does, but on the other hand it's starting
to seem as though the system is pretty much at the end of
it's useful upgrade/life and it's time to start over...
reusing only the case and drives it if that seems useful.
Such is often the case with a lower end OEM system.
 
I only suggested the Powerleap solution, because it fits in the space
of the current cooler. If the plastic duct is removed, that would
make more room for a third-party cooler. The only question then would
be, would the 80mm cooler, spread the processor heat around the
computer case, before the rear fan has a chance to remove it.
The Dell solution, pulls the exhaust air through the CPU heatsink,
thereby preventing the CPU heat from spreading into the computer
case. You can try the TR2-M12 if you like, but I'd want to monitor the
temperatures of computer case (motherboard temp) and CPU temp,
for both the before and after cases, to see if the change has an
adverse effect.

Think of it this way. If Dell could save on the plastic fan duct,
by just using the cooler you have in mind, they probably would
have done it.

The 250W supply limit is harder to figure out. On the one hand,
it is an extra 17 watts, which isn't much more.

The processor usually runs from the 12V rail. The Vcore converter,
turns the 12V, into the 1.5V or so, that the processor needs.
The converter is about 90% efficient (some loss present as heat).
(89W/12V) * (1/0.90) = 8.24 amps from the 12V rail. Hard drive is
about 0.6 amps, CDROM (when disc is present) is 1.5 amps, fans are
0.5 amps or so. Video card would also draw power, if one were present,
but your computer has integrated graphics, so none of that is 12V power.
Your total 12V rail is about 8.24+0.6+1.5+0.5 = 10.84 amps.

There are several limits to check. I cannot work them all out. The
computer total power would be the parts we now know, like 12V * 10.84A = 130W
plus an allocation of 50W for the motherboard, 10W for the 5V rail feeding
the disk and CDROM, 10W for standby power. That is a total of about 200W.
So the peak power load is pretty close to the supply capacity, as you'd
expect on a small supply. The amount of that, that is on the 3.3V or
the 5V rail is unknown. My motherboard is from a similar generation, and
my motherboard leans pretty hard on the 3.3V rail (about 14 amps or so).
Some of my power on 3.3V is for a video card, so yours will be considerably
less (maybe 8 amps). But that is purely guessing, because the designers are
free to mess about as they wish with that stuff.

Based on the little I know, I'd say you are still OK. Just watch your
computer case temperatures, to get some idea as to whether you've messed
up the cooling too much or not. If there is no hardware monitor in the machine,
you can always use a room thermometer to check the case temp. The reason for
keeping the case cool, is so the hard drive doesn't get too hot.

The power supply ratings are usually printed on a label on the side of the
supply. You can compare the above numbers, against what is printed on your
supply. Basically, you want to check that the 12V rail has at least 11 amps
and preferably more, to offer.

Paul- Hide quoted text -

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Again, thank you. It sounds like if I want to upgrade, I should go
with the powerleap passive sink, for reasons of heat/acoustics. As for
the power supply, thank you for your help as I am not as familiar with
this component. I'll check and see what the label on it says,
especially because I'd like to add a dedicated graphics card later.

Due to bus speeds, thermal issues, and upgrade difficulty, it sounds
like I should forego altogether the CPU upgrade in favor of more RAM +
a dedicated graphics card.
 
I only suggested the Powerleap solution, because it fits in the space
of the current cooler. If the plastic duct is removed, that would
make more room for a third-party cooler. The only question then would
be, would the 80mm cooler, spread the processor heat around the
computer case, before the rear fan has a chance to remove it.
The Dell solution, pulls the exhaust air through the CPU heatsink,
thereby preventing the CPU heat from spreading into the computer
case. You can try the TR2-M12 if you like, but I'd want to monitor the
temperatures of computer case (motherboard temp) and CPU temp,
for both the before and after cases, to see if the change has an
adverse effect.

Think of it this way. If Dell could save on the plastic fan duct,
by just using the cooler you have in mind, they probably would
have done it.

The 250W supply limit is harder to figure out. On the one hand,
it is an extra 17 watts, which isn't much more.

The processor usually runs from the 12V rail. The Vcore converter,
turns the 12V, into the 1.5V or so, that the processor needs.
The converter is about 90% efficient (some loss present as heat).
(89W/12V) * (1/0.90) = 8.24 amps from the 12V rail. Hard drive is
about 0.6 amps, CDROM (when disc is present) is 1.5 amps, fans are
0.5 amps or so. Video card would also draw power, if one were present,
but your computer has integrated graphics, so none of that is 12V power.
Your total 12V rail is about 8.24+0.6+1.5+0.5 = 10.84 amps.

There are several limits to check. I cannot work them all out. The
computer total power would be the parts we now know, like 12V * 10.84A = 130W
plus an allocation of 50W for the motherboard, 10W for the 5V rail feeding
the disk and CDROM, 10W for standby power. That is a total of about 200W.
So the peak power load is pretty close to the supply capacity, as you'd
expect on a small supply. The amount of that, that is on the 3.3V or
the 5V rail is unknown. My motherboard is from a similar generation, and
my motherboard leans pretty hard on the 3.3V rail (about 14 amps or so).
Some of my power on 3.3V is for a video card, so yours will be considerably
less (maybe 8 amps). But that is purely guessing, because the designers are
free to mess about as they wish with that stuff.

Based on the little I know, I'd say you are still OK. Just watch your
computer case temperatures, to get some idea as to whether you've messed
up the cooling too much or not. If there is no hardware monitor in the machine,
you can always use a room thermometer to check the case temp. The reason for
keeping the case cool, is so the hard drive doesn't get too hot.

The power supply ratings are usually printed on a label on the side of the
supply. You can compare the above numbers, against what is printed on your
supply. Basically, you want to check that the 12V rail has at least 11 amps
and preferably more, to offer.

Paul- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So I cracked open the case and looked at the PSU label. The +12V rail
has 16A, which should be fine. But I still think adding more RAM plus
a dedicated PCI graphics card would improve overall system performance
more. What do you think? (The Celeron D in there right now is fine,
and there are absolutely no thermal issues. I didn't know a proc
upgrade would be so involved, and it's probably better if I leave it
alone.)
 
dylpkls91 said:
So I cracked open the case and looked at the PSU label. The +12V rail
has 16A, which should be fine. But I still think adding more RAM plus
a dedicated PCI graphics card would improve overall system performance
more. What do you think? (The Celeron D in there right now is fine,
and there are absolutely no thermal issues. I didn't know a proc
upgrade would be so involved, and it's probably better if I leave it
alone.)

Using a match pair of sticks of RAM helps, if you are using the integrated
graphics. And wouldn't use too much extra power.

For PCI graphics cards, you can get some extra performance. But not to
the level of a top gaming rig. Basically, the PCI card would give you
"the price of admission". Some games would play like a slide show,
while others would work well enough to play more than once. Typical
cards would be FX5200-FX5500 types (with memories that are 64 bits wide
or 128 bits wide - 128 bits gives better performance) or X1300/X1550 from ATI.
X1300 and X1550 are basically the same thing, with just a name change.
The most expensive X1550 was about $100. Some cards are low profile in form,
but lack the low profile faceplate. Some are low profile and include both
kinds of faceplates. A real mixed bag, and something to watch out for, if
you buy the wrong type, and the faceplate doesn't match your type of computer.
If you were thinking of loading the latest games on this, well...

Power for the graphics card would be in the 35W range for those kinds of
cards. If you are interested in one, I can try and look up the power for
it. I get the power measurements mainly from xbitlabs.com and their
reviews. There is a gap, in terms of cards with measurements available,
so some really old cards have numbers available, and the Xbitlabs stuff
is for the more recent cards.

Paul
 
Using a match pair of sticks of RAM helps, if you are using the integrated
graphics. And wouldn't use too much extra power.

For PCI graphics cards, you can get some extra performance. But not to
the level of a top gaming rig. Basically, the PCI card would give you
"the price of admission". Some games would play like a slide show,
while others would work well enough to play more than once. Typical
cards would be FX5200-FX5500 types (with memories that are 64 bits wide
or 128 bits wide - 128 bits gives better performance) or X1300/X1550 from ATI.
X1300 and X1550 are basically the same thing, with just a name change.
The most expensive X1550 was about $100. Some cards are low profile in form,
but lack the low profile faceplate. Some are low profile and include both
kinds of faceplates. A real mixed bag, and something to watch out for, if
you buy the wrong type, and the faceplate doesn't match your type of computer.
If you were thinking of loading the latest games on this, well...

Power for the graphics card would be in the 35W range for those kinds of
cards. If you are interested in one, I can try and look up the power for
it. I get the power measurements mainly from xbitlabs.com and their
reviews. There is a gap, in terms of cards with measurements available,
so some really old cards have numbers available, and the Xbitlabs stuff
is for the more recent cards.

Paul

You don't have to go through that trouble--I am _not_ a gamer. All I
want is a PCI card that runs Compiz Fusion on Ubuntu Linux (almost
anything will) and (if at all possible) the Aero interface on Windows
Vista. I know replacing the RAM with 2x512MB will give a great
performance boost, shouldn't a dedicated graphics card help as well?
Also I'll get a new HDD with an 8MB cache, instead of the 2MB one I
have right now.

Thanks again for your help.

Dylan
 
You don't have to go through that trouble--I am _not_ a gamer. All I
want is a PCI card that runs Compiz Fusion on Ubuntu Linux (almost
anything will) and (if at all possible) the Aero interface on Windows
Vista. I know replacing the RAM with 2x512MB will give a great
performance boost, shouldn't a dedicated graphics card help as well?

If you want to run Vista, consider 2GB instead of 1GB. A
dedicated video card may allow the aero interface, but
otherwise the performance gain in a non-gaming use is fairly
minimal, it just cuts the available memory bandwidth some.
Also I'll get a new HDD with an 8MB cache, instead of the 2MB one I
have right now.

HDD cache doesn't matter as much as other factors like
platter density and rotational speed... at least not for
typical PC uses and especially so where there isn't much
multitasking which there wouldn't be on a system without
much memory (yet).

Let's recap...

You're thinking about upgrading the CPU, memory, video card,
and hard drive but maybe not CPU now. That's a lot to do
to an aging Celeron system, the processor is a bottleneck to
many activities.

It really is time to abandon this system and start over
fresh. Reuse the case if that's possible, and the power
supply if you chose a modest video card so it's not such a
strain on it. This makes the most sense considering you
don't even have a need to retain the OEM OS license, since
you're planning on running Linux and Vista. Remember that
an OEM copy of Vista is cheaper, but it can't be transferred
to another system. I don't think you'd want Vista tied to
this aging system instead of one with a longer expected
viable lifespan.

Thus, the money saved on the OEM OS license and by buying
memory for a new platform (DDR2) instead of the higher cost
DDR(1) for your present platform, plus the lower cost of PCI
Express video cards at "X" performance level contrasted with
PCI video cards, will go a long way towards paying for a new
motherboard. For just the addt'l cost of the processor you
have significantly sped up the system, and it will make a
difference running Vista as well as all your apps. You may
not feel you need the processor now, but running Vista you
may, and to do all these upgrades you have to be looking
towards the future, which will eventually make you want a
faster CPU too.
 
dylpkls91 said:
You don't have to go through that trouble--I am _not_ a gamer. All I
want is a PCI card that runs Compiz Fusion on Ubuntu Linux (almost
anything will) and (if at all possible) the Aero interface on Windows
Vista. I know replacing the RAM with 2x512MB will give a great
performance boost, shouldn't a dedicated graphics card help as well?
Also I'll get a new HDD with an 8MB cache, instead of the 2MB one I
have right now.

Thanks again for your help.

Dylan

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/capable.mspx

"Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver,
128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)²,
Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel."

"² If the GPU uses shared memory, then no additional graphics memory is required
beyond the 1 GB system memory requirement; If the GPU uses dedicated memory
then 128MB is required." [So they're looking for a 128MB or greater video card.]

According to this, FX5200/FX5500 are PS2.0 cards. The X1300 (and by implication,
the X1550 as well) are PS3.0 cards. So both of those options are Aero capable.
Just make sure the video card features 128MB/256MB/512MB of physical onboard RAM,
so that you meet the 128MB minimum. I expect Vista windows are held in that memory,
and composited as required.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/

If you want to run Vista, then even more system RAM is recommended (1GB total would
be a joke). I might go to 2x1GB DDR for that. It'll still be slow, but better than
if you use 2x512MB DDR. Linux or WinXP, on the other hand, would be fine with 1GB
total.

If you want to buy 1GB modules of DDR, I recommend staying away from Ebay.
Either the Kingston or Crucial site can recommend some sticks, and you can
pick the cheapest price versus good speed compromise. If your chipset
runs the memory at DDR400, then PC3200 is what you'd buy, and the faster
PC4000 would be overkill (it is for overclockers). Kingston or Crucial will
sell you modules with 64Mx8 chips onboard, which is the best option for you.
Ebay carries modules with 128Mx4 chips, and Intel chipset documents (865GV is Intel)
don't approve of that choice for unbuffered RAM.

Paul
 
You don't have to go through that trouble--I am _not_ a gamer. All I
want is a PCI card that runs Compiz Fusion on Ubuntu Linux (almost
anything will) and (if at all possible) the Aero interface on Windows
Vista.

Haven't seen the whole thread, but if your PC is old enough or cheap enough
to need a PCI video card (instead of AGP or PCIe) then don't waste any money
upgrading it. Also, avoid Vista if at all possible!!!
I know replacing the RAM with 2x512MB will give a great
performance boost, shouldn't a dedicated graphics card help as well?

If you're a gamer, and your PC can use AGP or PCIe.
Also I'll get a new HDD with an 8MB cache, instead of the 2MB one I
have right now.

Won't do much for performance... and the happy size these days is 16meg.
 
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