pci slot question

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Hi a got a bounch of pci 2.2 on my a7n8x-x

it suppose to run at 66mhgz twice as a pci 1

does it mean that my onboard ide controller as the same particularity?
Because have read lattely that having this kind of pci slot with a pci
ide controler card would be better than the on board ide controler
is this true and does it worth the 50$ ide controler from maxtor ???
 
Hi a got a bounch of pci 2.2 on my a7n8x-x

it suppose to run at 66mhgz twice as a pci 1

does it mean that my onboard ide controller as the same particularity?
Because have read lattely that having this kind of pci slot with a pci
ide controler card would be better than the on board ide controler
is this true and does it worth the 50$ ide controler from maxtor ???

I thought the more expensive server type boards only have 66MHz PCI
slots and the cheaper desktop type boards still run @ 33MHz?
 
DreamMaker said:
Hi a got a bounch of pci 2.2 on my a7n8x-x

it suppose to run at 66mhgz twice as a pci 1

does it mean that my onboard ide controller as the same particularity?
Because have read lattely that having this kind of pci slot with a pci
ide controler card would be better than the on board ide controler
is this true and does it worth the 50$ ide controler from maxtor ???

PCI 2.2 is still 32bit x 33Mhz. Various other electrical specifications have changed with each revision of
conventional PCI, but the clock rate is not one of them. Whether or not an add in controller is faster than
the integrated IDE ones depends on its quality.

Tony.

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PCI 2.2 is still 32bit x 33Mhz. Various other electrical specifications have changed with each revision of
conventional PCI, but the clock rate is not one of them.

Well that's just about as wrong a statement as I've seen all year.
And it's December 31. Nice work ;-)

Clue: PCI 2.0 introduced 66mhz operation.
Whether or not an add in controller is faster than the integrated IDE ones depends on its quality.

That might come in third, behind how fast/wide the host bus is
(see above ;-)...and how tight the drivers are...

/daytripper
 
daytripper said:
Well that's just about as wrong a statement as I've seen all year.
And it's December 31. Nice work ;-)

Clue: PCI 2.0 introduced 66mhz operation.

I see. Well, it's Jan 1st in New Zealand, so there! :)

Tony.

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I see. Well, it's Jan 1st in New Zealand, so there! :)

Tony.

So in my first post i was correct then.
if i use the operation that you mention i get
32bits X 66mhgz it give 2112mb/s or 264mbs/s
theoricaly
 
DreamMaker said:
Hi a got a bounch of pci 2.2 on my a7n8x-x

it suppose to run at 66mhgz twice as a pci 1

does it mean that my onboard ide controller as the same particularity?
Because have read lattely that having this kind of pci slot with a pci
ide controler card would be better than the on board ide controler
is this true and does it worth the 50$ ide controler from maxtor ???

First off, the onboard IDE integrated into the southbridge can use a
pretty speedy direct link to the northbridge (with a bandwidth of at
least twice that of 32 bit 33 MHz PCI), which is a normal feature of
chipsets these days.

Any PCI card you plug in will be limited by the 32 bit 33 MHz PCI bus on
the board. Even if the board could run PCI at 66 MHz (which it can't),
all the cards on one bus would have to support 66 MHz operation
(something that is true of the newer Promise IDE controller cards, for
example), and you couldn't have more than three cards or so on one bus.
(That's why 760MPX boards use a PCI-PCI bridge for some 32 bit 33 MHz
slots in addition to the 64 bit 66 MHz PCI provided by the northbridge.)

The PCI spec the onboard PCI implementation conforms to has rather
little to do with the speeds actually supported - 66 MHz operation has
been supported since PCI 2.1 (even 64 bit PCI exists since 2.0), but the
vast majority of PCI 2.1/2.2/2.3 compliant boards have neither 64 bit
PCI slots (take up a lot of space on normal-sized ATX boards, increase
cost) nor do they support 66 MHz operation (bridge chips also take up
space and add to the cost).

So all in all, IDE performance should be best with the onboard
controller (in the southbridge) on the A7N8X (or any other current
consumer-level board).

Stephan
 
DreamMaker said:
So in my first post i was correct then.
if i use the operation that you mention i get
32bits X 66mhgz it give 2112mb/s or 264mbs/s
theoricaly

No. But you've probably read Stephan's article prior to this reply. Sorry for putting you wrong.

Tony

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Stephan Grossklass said:
First off, the onboard IDE integrated into the southbridge can use a
pretty speedy direct link to the northbridge (with a bandwidth of at
least twice that of 32 bit 33 MHz PCI), which is a normal feature of
chipsets these days.

Any PCI card you plug in will be limited by the 32 bit 33 MHz PCI bus on
the board. Even if the board could run PCI at 66 MHz (which it can't),
all the cards on one bus would have to support 66 MHz operation
(something that is true of the newer Promise IDE controller cards, for
example), and you couldn't have more than three cards or so on one bus.
(That's why 760MPX boards use a PCI-PCI bridge for some 32 bit 33 MHz
slots in addition to the 64 bit 66 MHz PCI provided by the northbridge.)

The PCI spec the onboard PCI implementation conforms to has rather
little to do with the speeds actually supported - 66 MHz operation has
been supported since PCI 2.1 (even 64 bit PCI exists since 2.0), but the
vast majority of PCI 2.1/2.2/2.3 compliant boards have neither 64 bit
PCI slots (take up a lot of space on normal-sized ATX boards, increase
cost) nor do they support 66 MHz operation (bridge chips also take up
space and add to the cost).

OK. So the PCI 2.1/2.2 specifications merely include a description for a 66MHz PCI bus speed and a 64 bit data
path and to say a motherboard is PCI 2.1/2.2 compliant does not mean it necessarily supports the highest speed
nor the widest data path listed in the specification. I think I get it.

Tony.

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