PCCHIPS M863AG/G v5.1b - Kingston RAM DDR 1GB 3200 Dual 400Mhz

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Are these compatible? My system will not boot. I have older Kingston -
slower mhz - 256 boots just fine. I'm very newbie, so excuse the
ignorance. Any suggestions would be fantastic.

Thanks.

Windows XP
AMD Sempron 2800+
 
Are these compatible? My system will not boot. I have older
Kingston - slower mhz - 256 boots just fine. I'm very newbie, so
excuse the ignorance. Any suggestions would be fantastic.

Are what compatible? Besides the problems of replying on google
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Okay... Let's try it through Agent.

Are what compatible?

My mobo and the Kingston RAM I just purchased. I'm not booting with
the RAM installed.
Besides the problems of replying on google
(see sig below) you should realize that many readers cannot see the
subject at the same time as the content. Make you posts stand
alone, i.e. include the questions in the body, and provide proper
context (after snipping) in replies.

So now that we're done with the lesson. Do you have any idea if this
particular mobo needs a BIOS flash? Although my mobo manual says this:

MEMORY: Supports two 184-pin 2.5v unbuffered DIMM socket for DDR400
(only for SiS741 NB)/ 333/ 266 memory modules, up to 2.0 GB installed
memory.

--Phil
 
Okay... Let's try it through Agent.



My mobo and the Kingston RAM I just purchased. I'm not booting with
the RAM installed.

Which mobo and Kingston RAM might that be?

If we had a POST where the details needed were in that POST,
complete yet concise, it would go a long way towards being
favored by readers, like many of the other posts are.

What does "not boot" mean? Does it not POST at all, no
video display? Does it get to the bios or enumerate the
hardware, does it find a boot drive and if so, does it
proceed to start reading files off of it?

We need more specifics of EXACTLY what is happening. Only
you see this system in front of you.

So now that we're done with the lesson. Do you have any idea if this
particular mobo needs a BIOS flash? Although my mobo manual says this:

MEMORY: Supports two 184-pin 2.5v unbuffered DIMM socket for DDR400
(only for SiS741 NB)/ 333/ 266 memory modules, up to 2.0 GB installed
memory.

You might indeed benefit from a bios flash if it's a simple
timings incompatiblity, as often bios updates address such
issues, but unfortunately PC Chips is horrible about support
so even IF the board does need some memory related issues
fixed, they may never see fit towards getting around to
fixing them, and may not clearly list the changes they had
made so a user can decide if it's worthwhile to update the
bios or just a wasted effort.

I presume you have removed the original memory? if not, do
so. Also try this new module in different memory slots.
You might also put the old memory in, start up the system
and enter the bios, then manually set slower memory timings
if the bios allows it, for example 3,4,4,8, and if the
memory bus is set to asynchronous mode (+33 higher than the
CPU FSB), you might try setting it to same, synchrnous speed
as the FSB. This is a poor workaround though, since if the
bios ever gets reset, you're back to a no-post situation.

Also try clearing CMOS, while the power is disconnected.
It would help if you had another system to test this memory
on- right now I have a module I've RMA'd (different brand,
only an example of...) that is defective and when installed
in a system, system won't POST at all. I happened to have a
2nd identical module and can easily see system does fine
with the type of memory, it was just that one module that
was bad.

If none of the above helps, you should think about getting
your memory replaced, and by that I mean refund or credit
for another make or model of memory since it could be the
module or it could be a general incompatibility. It would
be good to know if it works in a different system first
though, just in case the vendor tries to stick you with a
return fee which they should not if it's actually defective
rather than incompatible. You might also check Kingston's
website to see if they show compatiblity with your board, or
if your board isn't listed, with some other board having
same chipset. (Use Google to search for that chipset, among
the hits you should find the names of other boards having it
too).
 
What does "not boot" mean? Does it not POST at all, no
video display? Does it get to the bios or enumerate the
hardware, does it find a boot drive and if so, does it
proceed to start reading files off of it?

Be gentle. I'm very newbie, and I apologized for my ignorance already.
I'm learning as I go here.

The system does not boot at all. No beeps. No display. I tried
swapping the RAM in different slots with no luck.

The mobo make and model is in the subject line.

PCCHIPS M863AG/G v5.1b

Now, this DUAL memory wouldn't cause a problem now would it? What's
the pros and cons in using two 512s in two slots, then using just one
1gb RAM?
You might indeed benefit from a bios flash if it's a simple
timings incompatiblity, as often bios updates address such
issues, but unfortunately PC Chips is horrible about support
so even IF the board does need some memory related issues
fixed, they may never see fit towards getting around to
fixing them, and may not clearly list the changes they had
made so a user can decide if it's worthwhile to update the
bios or just a wasted effort.

I presume you have removed the original memory? if not, do
so.

Well, I have to boot up to correspond with you, so they're still in.
(the old ones).
You might also put the old memory in, start up the system
and enter the bios, then manually set slower memory timings
if the bios allows it, for example 3,4,4,8,

And where do I find this listed under? I booted into BIOS and couldn't
find any memory timing selections. Or it could be worded in lingo I do
not comprehend.
and if the
memory bus is set to asynchronous mode (+33 higher than the
CPU FSB), you might try setting it to same, synchrnous speed
as the FSB.

Again, I looked for this but couldn't find the setting under anything
in BIOS.
If none of the above helps, you should think about getting
your memory replaced,

I figured as much.
You might also check Kingston's
website to see if they show compatiblity with your board, or
if your board isn't listed, with some other board having
same chipset.

My mobo instructions tells me to use only high end RAM, including
Kingston. I have a feeling it's the timing of the memory I have to set
in BIOS, but need clearer directions. I read my mobo manual, but it
does not instruct on how to do that.

Thanks for the tips. Much appreciated.

--Phil
 
The mobo make and model is in the subject line.

Ok, but it's not an appropriate lone source of information.

PCCHIPS M863AG/G v5.1b

Sis chipset- I dont' know if it supports dual channel or
not, which is significant due to your question below about 2
x 512MB vs 1 x 1GB.

Now, this DUAL memory wouldn't cause a problem now would it? What's
the pros and cons in using two 512s in two slots, then using just one
1gb RAM?

What dual memory?
The pros and cons are not at issue, the issue is what works.

We don't know and you're not delivering full information
concisely so this thread is going nowhere quick.

There is no such thing as "dual channel memory".
There's memory sold in pairs, same identical modules are
assured which some boards need. Does yours? Doubtful, even
dual channel boards can run single channel with one module
but that isn't the issue, rather that it isn't working at
all. Leave the 256MB module out for the time being, no
mixed memory till system is running.

Well, I have to boot up to correspond with you, so they're still in.
(the old ones).

DId you or did you not remove the original memory when you
tried the new memory? You are being difficult and
apparently don't want to solve any problems. I was not
making random conversation, these are very specific issues
mentioned for specific reasons and need specifically
resolved via reply.

And where do I find this listed under? I booted into BIOS and couldn't
find any memory timing selections. Or it could be worded in lingo I do
not comprehend.

Check motherboard manual. You may need to change some
settings from "auto" or "SPD", a similar kind of "it does it
for you" wording of the setting to a manual mode at which
point the settings are accessible.



My mobo instructions tells me to use only high end RAM, including
Kingston.


KIngston sells memory. Not "high end", just "memory".
Among the memory they sell, there are higher spec parts,
middling spec, and low-end "valueram".

What you get with the name-brand is some assurance that what
is spec'd, is accurate else they will replace it with
another module that does work at the same spec.
I have a feeling it's the timing of the memory I have to set
in BIOS, but need clearer directions. I read my mobo manual, but it
does not instruct on how to do that.

That was just a suggestion to see if the memory is working
or completely dead. You should not have to set the timings
for it to work. Clear the CMOS (see motherboard manual, OR
unplug the PSU AC cord then remove the battery for 10
minutes). At that point it will have lost the bios
customized settings and be running in auto mode which should
run the memory if it's compatible, unless there's a bios bug
(which brings us back to the suggestion to see whether there
is a bios that addresses this on PCChips' site).
 
What dual memory?
The pros and cons are not at issue, the issue is what works.

Okay. And again... I have no idea what I'm doing here. I'm a newbie
here, so I will apologize to you for my ignorance.

DId you or did you not remove the original memory when you
tried the new memory? You are being difficult and
apparently don't want to solve any problems.

I'm not trying to be difficult here, I'm just frustrated by the whole
thing.
Check motherboard manual. You may need to change some
settings from "auto" or "SPD", a similar kind of "it does it
for you" wording of the setting to a manual mode at which
point the settings are accessible.

Can you explain to me what SPD stands for?
KIngston sells memory. Not "high end", just "memory".
Among the memory they sell, there are higher spec parts,
middling spec, and low-end "valueram".

What you get with the name-brand is some assurance that what
is spec'd, is accurate else they will replace it with
another module that does work at the same spec.


That was just a suggestion to see if the memory is working
or completely dead. You should not have to set the timings
for it to work. Clear the CMOS (see motherboard manual, OR
unplug the PSU AC cord then remove the battery for 10
minutes). At that point it will have lost the bios
customized settings and be running in auto mode which should
run the memory if it's compatible, unless there's a bios bug
(which brings us back to the suggestion to see whether there
is a bios that addresses this on PCChips' site).

Okay, well, I finally got one of my 512 modules to work. I might have
not been seated correctly. So I know they work now and of course, my
second module (in the second slot) is not working/working/not working.
I would put it in and it wouldn't recognize it - and then on my next
start up, I see that it would only recognize it as a 256 module and
read a total of 768MB when I have both my 512s in there. And it would
cause my computer *not* to start up in Windows. It will keep
re-booting until I see "Sorry for the inconvenience, but there was a
problem with Windows shutting down - Probably due to a hardware change
- What do you want to do? - Safe Mode etc etc - Start Windows
Normally.

I would select Start Windows Normally and it would just reboot over
and over - Never booting into Windows XP. So I would take the second
512 out - and it would boot up just fine. So maybe I have a bad 2nd
slot, I'm not sure. I'm still trying to work it out.

--Phil
 
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