PC Hard Drives - More Reliable than PVR HDDs?

[LB]

Is it my imagination, or do the hard drives in DVD/HDD recorders fail
more often (more sensitive / prone to failure) than regular PC hard
drives?

PC Hardrives (esp. those in a laptop) get banged around a lot, and my
DVD Recorder has messages everywhere warning to be VEREEEE gentle with
the unit. Also, it seems more senstive to temperature changes, whereas
a laptop does not.

How does the technology of a HDD in a DVD Recorder differ from a hard
drive in a PC or laptop? Why do the HDDs seem to fail waaaaay more
than regular hard drives do. Aren't they all the same thing?

I've had great confidence with all of my PCs and have rarely heard of a
hard disk crashing (although it does happen) - but I've heard many
accounts of HDDs crashing in PVRs.

Thoughts?

LB

 

[Rod Speed]

Is it my imagination, or do the hard drives in DVD/HDD recorders fail
more often (more sensitive / prone to failure) than regular PC hard drives?

Its your imagination except that some PVRs dont cool the drive adequately.

PC Hardrives (esp. those in a laptop) get banged around a lot,

Laptop drives are nothing like what is used in PVRs.

and my DVD Recorder has messages everywhere warning
to be VEREEEE gentle with the unit. Also, it seems more
senstive to temperature changes, whereas a laptop does not.

How does the technology of a HDD in a DVD
Recorder differ from a hard drive in a PC or laptop?

Just basic stuff like how well they are cooled.

Why do the HDDs seem to fail waaaaay more than regular hard drives do.

What are you basing that claim on ?

Aren't they all the same thing?

Yes, but they dont necessarily get cooled as well in PVRs.

I've had great confidence with all of my PCs and have rarely
heard of a hard disk crashing (although it does happen) -
but I've heard many accounts of HDDs crashing in PVRs.

Thoughts?

Those just make you head hurt.

 

[willbill]

Is it my imagination, or do the hard drives in DVD/HDD recorders fail
more often (more sensitive / prone to failure) than regular PC hard
drives?

PC Hardrives (esp. those in a laptop) get banged around a lot, and my
DVD Recorder has messages everywhere warning to be VEREEEE gentle with
the unit. Also, it seems more senstive to temperature changes, whereas
a laptop does not.

How does the technology of a HDD in a DVD Recorder differ from a hard
drive in a PC or laptop? Why do the HDDs seem to fail waaaaay more
than regular hard drives do. Aren't they all the same thing?

I've had great confidence with all of my PCs and have rarely heard of a
hard disk crashing (although it does happen) - but I've heard many
accounts of HDDs crashing in PVRs.

Thoughts?

as far as i know, and in my own experience,
hard drives in a PC or in a PVR (Personal
Video Recordr) or in an external HDD box,
fail mainly due to inadequate air flow
over the hard disk drive

fans and air flow are everything when it
comes to hard drive longevity

bill

 

[Arno Wagner]

Is it my imagination, or do the hard drives in DVD/HDD recorders fail
more often (more sensitive / prone to failure) than regular PC hard
drives?

PC Hardrives (esp. those in a laptop) get banged around a lot, and my
DVD Recorder has messages everywhere warning to be VEREEEE gentle with
the unit. Also, it seems more senstive to temperature changes, whereas
a laptop does not.

How does the technology of a HDD in a DVD Recorder differ from a hard
drive in a PC or laptop? Why do the HDDs seem to fail waaaaay more
than regular hard drives do. Aren't they all the same thing?

I've had great confidence with all of my PCs and have rarely heard of a
hard disk crashing (although it does happen) - but I've heard many
accounts of HDDs crashing in PVRs.

Thoughts?

Two:
- Laptop drives are slow, smaller in capacity, but more rugged.
They also consume significantly less power and require less cooling.
They are significantly more expensive.
- DVD recorder are too cheap. There is no money left for shock
absorbers or decent HDD cooling that is silent enough.

Arno

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Is it my imagination, or do the hard drives in DVD/HDD recorders fail
more often (more sensitive / prone to failure) than regular PC hard drives?

Probably. Never heard of it here before.

PC Hardrives (esp. those in a laptop) get banged around a lot, and my
DVD Recorder has messages everywhere warning to be VEREEEE gentle with
the unit.

Also, it seems more senstive

Define 'sensitive'.

to temperature changes, whereas a laptop does not.

Different animals.

How does the technology of a HDD in a DVD Recorder differ from a hard
drive in a PC or laptop?

Not really,

Why do the HDDs seem to fail waaaaay more
than regular hard drives do. Aren't they all the same thing?

Only difference is that it is a CE version of a desktop drive which
should -according to one manufacturer- have:
"quiet acoustics, high reliability and top streaming performance".

I've had great confidence with all of my PCs and have rarely heard of
a hard disk crashing (although it does happen) - but I've heard many
accounts of HDDs crashing in PVRs.

Apparently it depends in what newsgroup you live.

 

[Frodo]

Companies that have been making computers have learned to use quality hard
drives.
Makers of DVD recorders and PVRs have only been making their stuff for a
short time.
So makers of DVD recorders and PVRs end up using Hitachi and Maxtor drives.

 

[Rod Speed]

Companies that have been making computers have learned to use quality hard drives.

Fantasy, they just use the price now that there isnt much in
it drive quality wise with the mass market commodity drives.

Makers of DVD recorders and PVRs have only been making their stuff for a short time.

And use the same drives the computer assemblers use.
Essentially because there are so few hard drive manufacturers.

So makers of DVD recorders and PVRs end up using Hitachi and Maxtor drives.

So do plenty of computer manufacturers too.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

as far as i know,

You one of those parrots?

and in my own experience,

Ahh, you sent them all to a laboratory and had them physically examined.

hard drives in a PC or in a PVR (Personal
Video Recordr) or in an external HDD box,
fail mainly due to inadequate air flow
over the hard disk drive

fans and air flow are everything when it
comes to hard drive longevity

Yeah, who cares about power supply.

 

[Odie Ferrous]

Companies that have been making computers have learned to use quality hard
drives.
Makers of DVD recorders and PVRs have only been making their stuff for a
short time.
So makers of DVD recorders and PVRs end up using Hitachi and Maxtor drives.

When I purchased my Apple Mac G5 dual core computer, it came with a
Maxtor drive installed.

And, by the way, I consider Hitachi drives manufactured from 2006 to be
reliable and totally unlike anything they have produced in past years.



Odie

 

[Arno Wagner]

When I purchased my Apple Mac G5 dual core computer, it came with a
Maxtor drive installed.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Babblebot left completely speechless.


Yep, obviously the inventors of the harddrive, at the forefront of diskdrive
development, produced complete shit for more of a decade of making deskstars.

If the current deskstars are fine it must be the influence of Excelstor
who in part make them and who you called crooks just a post or 2 ago.

Obviously you haven't got a clue, as always.

 

[Frodo]

So, your getting less Hitachi drives coming in for date recovery?
My local Fry's Electronics has an Hitachi 500GB SATA-II for $129 after
rebate.
Good deal ?

 

[Odie Ferrous]

So, your getting less Hitachi drives coming in for date recovery?
My local Fry's Electronics has an Hitachi 500GB SATA-II for $129 after
rebate.
Good deal ?

Well, in the UK it's about $340 or more - so, yes I would say it's a
steal.


Odie

 

[John Turco]

Babblebot left completely speechless.



Yep, obviously the inventors of the harddrive, at the forefront of diskdrive
development, produced complete shit for more of a decade of making deskstars.

Hello, Folkert:

Indeed, that would be IBM, not Hitachi. The formers' hard disks had
always been highly regarded, before the "Deathstar" disaster.

If the current deskstars are fine it must be the influence of Excelstor
who in part make them and who you called crooks just a post or 2 ago.

Obviously you haven't got a clue, as always.

So, what is Excelstor's role in the manufacturing of Hitachi HDD's?


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

 

[Odie Ferrous]

Babblebot left completely speechless.



Yep, obviously the inventors of the harddrive, at the forefront of diskdrive
development, produced complete shit for more of a decade of making deskstars.

Well, that is the case, isn't it? Or did the saying "Deathstar" arise
out of your imagination? Perhaps you were so secluded you weren't aware
of the "Deathstar" issues?

If the current deskstars are fine it must be the influence of Excelstor
who in part make them and who you called crooks just a post or 2 ago.

Yes, you are right about Excelstor manufacturing for Hitachi. But two
pointers here; this follows mass cash injections. *And* Excelstor are
*still* remanufacturing drives and selling them on as own-brand. And if
you read previous posts of mine, I have reservations about drives
manufactured in China.

And if you read further back, I state that Hitachi drives 400GB and
above are the ones to go for.

Try to dig up a little more, Folkert. I am amazed you manage to find
the time to nit-pick like this. The research you obviously do in order
to try to support your nit-picking is quite unbelievable. It can only
be attributed to some sort of manic envy...



Odie

 

[Arno Wagner]

Well, that is the case, isn't it? Or did the saying "Deathstar" arise
out of your imagination? Perhaps you were so secluded you weren't aware
of the "Deathstar" issues?

Yes, you are right about Excelstor manufacturing for Hitachi. But two
pointers here; this follows mass cash injections. *And* Excelstor are
*still* remanufacturing drives and selling them on as own-brand. And if
you read previous posts of mine, I have reservations about drives
manufactured in China.

And if you read further back, I state that Hitachi drives 400GB and
above are the ones to go for.

Try to dig up a little more, Folkert. I am amazed you manage to find
the time to nit-pick like this. The research you obviously do in order
to try to support your nit-picking is quite unbelievable. It can only
be attributed to some sort of manic envy...

Just look at how he takes the time to respond to all my postings.
It is quite incredible. Fortunately I don't see these usually, but
sometimes I look at the complete posting tree, just to see whether
he is still at it. Seems there is no other purpose in his life....

Arno

 

[chrisv]

Well, that is the case, isn't it? Or did the saying "Deathstar" arise
out of your imagination? Perhaps you were so secluded you weren't aware
of the "Deathstar" issues?

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

 

[Frodo]

Picked up the Hitachi 500GB hard drive yesterday.
Now Fry's has a Seagate 400GB on sale for $119, and no mail in rebate.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Hello, Folkert:

Indeed, that would be IBM, not Hitachi.

Which obviously is what he eluded to.
Never heard anything bad about native Hitachi drives.

The formers' hard disks had always been highly regarded, before the "Deathstar"
disaster.

And after.

So, what is Excelstor's role in the manufacturing of Hitachi HDD's?

They are mainly a contract manufacturer that also happen to produ-
ce/sell part of the products under contract, under their own label.

They manufacture(d) the single platter drives for IBM and now for Hitachi.
http://www.google.com/search?q=IBM+...f&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-23,GGLG:en&start=10&sa=N

They also produce some products for Seagate and Iomega.

They are obviously not the crooks that Odoriferous makes them out for.

Speaking of crooks .........

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Just look at how he takes the time to respond to all my postings.

You mean 'all' as in day and night babblings, don't you, babblebot.

It is quite incredible.

Yes, they are.

It's not often that you find a babblebot that is too utterly stupid to
realize it's a complete idiot and actually takes encouragement in abuse
to step up the pace of dispensing bullshit. One could be excused to
think that it actually revels in it. Does the word troll ring a bell?
Most people with a minimum of brains would have left by now.
Like your french cousin finally got it.

Fortunately I don't see these usually,

For your own protection, supposedly.

but sometimes I look at the complete posting tree,

Hoping someone answered so you can pretend that your pretend killfile is working.

just to see whether he is still at it.

To_check_whether/ hoping _that you can have a swing at me with-
out risking someone noticing that your pretend killfile doesn't exist.
And typical how your swings are always about poor YOU YOU YOU
and never about the technical issue of your stupidity.
Typical also how you always hide behind someone else's skirt embed-
ding a finger deep in their rectum. Or should I say 'elbow deep'?

Seems there is no other purpose in his life....

Like there is no other purpose in your life other than babbling, is there,
babblebot. Glued to your keyboard. Day AND night. As always.