P4r800-vm winxp install problems - please help before I go mad

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As detailed in posts earlier I simply cannot get an os installed - it blue
screens everywhere :(

I have now tried installing both pc3200 dims in slots 1a , 2a - to force the
speed down to ddr333 to see if this helps still no joy :(
Have upgraded the bios to latest and still wont install - have I bought a
turkey or am I missing something
 
As detailed in posts earlier I simply cannot get an os installed - it blue
screens everywhere :(

I have now tried installing both pc3200 dims in slots 1a , 2a - to force the
speed down to ddr333 to see if this helps still no joy :(
Have upgraded the bios to latest and still wont install - have I bought a
turkey or am I missing something

It is not a prescott you use ?

http://forums.devhardware.com/t20412/s.html

tells problems with that

A place to look:
http://www.asusforums.org/

or use google and search with: p4r800-vm + text

Another thing you could try is:

Cheat with installation.

One take an installation for another chipset.

Boot on it, blue screen of course.

Then boot on the xp cd. Second time Repair is offered, choose repair
(just after F8 agreement screen)

then go on. Registry is not overwritten by this method.

best regards

John
 
What do the blue screens say?
It helps to tell us what the error messages are.

If you are getting various and varied then check the following in order:

1. Memory - get memtest86 and run for a minimum of 5 extended runs - note
what the web site www.memtest86.com says about test #5. If you get any
errors, they have to be resolved before you can install an OS. Run overnight
preferrably.

2. PSU - is it correctly sized? IE give a full and detailed inventory of
your installed hardware - make model & any other information you feel may be
relevant. If the PSU is overloaded all sorts of things can go wrong.

3. Download and use the HDD vendors diagnostics to test your HDD.

4. Remove all extraneous / non essential hardware until you have the system
up and stable.

5. Disable all unused / non essential items in the bios. EG if there is
sound, firewire, network disable them.

6. Many other things, but if you can post back with the progress of the
above people will then be able to help.

7. Don't use a large partition for C: 16 GB is enough for most, 32 GB if you
have a hooer of software - it is of no benefit to you putting all eggs in
one basket without thought, so allocate C for "System" and bung all user
data elsewhere so that you can plan for system reinstallation and back
processes IE reinstall C, backup / restore data in D... E: for read only
data EG reference databases, etc. as per your needs.

Giving us a hardware inventory is important when diagnosing problems such as
this.

Have you tried a cmos clear & load of bios defaults?
Somewhere you mentioned using the latest bios - it is essential to flash
correctly & load bios defaults.

HTH
- Tim
 
As detailed in posts earlier I simply cannot get an os installed - it blue
screens everywhere :(

I have now tried installing both pc3200 dims in slots 1a , 2a - to force the
speed down to ddr333 to see if this helps still no joy :(
Have upgraded the bios to latest and still wont install - have I bought a
turkey or am I missing something

You are not alone.

http://groups.google.com/[email protected]

The thing is, the board has virtually no adjustments in the BIOS.
You cannot change the processor clock, memory speed, memory timings
(except for that stupid fast/slow option, and nobody knows what
that means anyway), any voltages etc. It is pretty hard to vary
control settings and figure out where the stability issue may be.

There are other -VM type boards that have had problems, like the
A7N8X-VM. Its problem was that the graphics core couldn't hack
running at the clock rate set by the use of DDR400 ram.
Everything was fine with DDR333 (PC2700) ram.

The funny thing is, other motherboard companies have used this ATI
chipset, so it cannot be all bad. I wonder if the problem is the
quality of the BIOS code. The BIOS code is the work of several
contributors, and not just Asus alone. AMI writes basic support
for the chipset, with help from ATI in getting the reference
board working. Asus will, at a minimum, edit the options showing
in the BIOS screens, and add or remove stuff. Any custom features
may simply be AMI modules renamed with Asus marketing terms, for
example. So, it is hard to point the finger and say that Asus
alone messed up the BIOS, although they are the ones who fund
the repairing of the BIOS and are ultimately responsible for the
mess. I see the last substantial update is 1003, where they were
still fixing serious things with the board.

As I'm a hardware guy, I would hack that sucker by playing with the
BSEL pins. BSEL is a two bit code coming from two pins on the
processor chip. Changing the code would force the FSB to something
other than FSB800. That would be one way to vary the setup of the
board. Another would be to investigate the clockgen, and see if
there is some way to modify it. Neither technique is useful for
someone who just wants the board to work.

If you have other P4 processors, other slower memory modules,
different hard drive and/or CDROM drive, you could try swapping
hardware to force a different set of conditions onto the problem.

If you could get some kind of OS to boot, then you could use
a utility like CPUZ or Everest or maybe even Sandra, to verify
the speed the memory and processor are running at. See whether
the memory timings are exceeding specs for the ram or not.

Oh, another thing to check, is whether the PSU is rated to
drive a P4 3.2GHz. Check the label on the PSU, to see if it
offers 12V @ 15A. If it only offers say, 10A on the 12V output,
that might not help. My experience is that the BIOS draws neither
the minimum nor the maximum current from the PSU, and so the fact
the BIOS runs OK, doesn't mean there is enough current for every
application. Maybe the +12V is crapping out when the processor has
short intervals of 100% load.

Rather than pay attention to any of the above,
just RMA that thing :-) You'll feel better.

If you have the ability to swap for another board with your
vendor, the P4P800-VM might be another choice.

Good luck,
Paul
 
As detailed in posts earlier I simply cannot get an os installed - it blue
screens everywhere :(

I have now tried installing both pc3200 dims in slots 1a , 2a - to force the
speed down to ddr333 to see if this helps still no joy :(
Have upgraded the bios to latest and still wont install - have I bought a
turkey or am I missing something

Oh, and disable hyperthreading, as that will reduce the power
consumption a bit. One of the BIOS release notes says they
added an option to disable hyperthreading in one of the
BIOS.

Paul
 


Quite interesting !

I actually thought that the p4R800-VM was one of the best
onboard-graphics P4 systems one could get !

but since I am an AMD man, and besides that loved the tualatins much
(and modified many slot-1 and s370 boards for the use of these), I
have not tried the P4R800-VM myself and never owned a P4 system.

best regards

John
 
As detailed in posts earlier I simply cannot get an os installed - it blue
screens everywhere :(

I have now tried installing both pc3200 dims in slots 1a , 2a - to force the
speed down to ddr333 to see if this helps still no joy :(
Have upgraded the bios to latest and still wont install - have I bought a
turkey or am I missing something


http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=72136

They tell they were unable to test the board in 200/200 mode.

So you might be right, that your c-version P4 is not the best on that
board.

best regards

John
 
Just thought I'd let you all know it turned out to be CPU faulty , verified
by installing a 2.4 and install sailed through
 
Just thought I'd let you all know it turned out to be CPU faulty , verified
by installing a 2.4 and install sailed through

Is that 2.4 GHz for fsb800 or fsb533 ?

best regards

John
 
It was fsb 533
But I had already tried the 3.0 with lower spec memory to reduce the bus
speed and it still failed
 
It was fsb 533
But I had already tried the 3.0 with lower spec memory to reduce the bus
speed and it still failed

Well, but you probably just set memory fsb down to 166, but what about
cpu fsb ?

If this also steps down, it should show the speed 2505=15 x 167 during
boot.
If it still shows 3 GHz (15x200) during boot, then cpu fsb is 200.

But that is with the old cpu, and you have got another speed now.

best regards

John
 
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