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Group,
I just assembled my new box.P4C-800-E Dlx.Corsair
Twin CMX512-4000.Prescott P4 2.4 ghz.It powers
up but will not POST.I removed all PCI cards,still nothing.Hitting the power
button will power the box on
but pushing it again will not power it off.I have to switch
off the power supply to turn it off.I tried it with a normal
P4 1.5 ghz chip.Again no go.Tried ram as dual and single
channel set-up.Anyone have any suggestions?I don't
think I'm missing anything,I've put together more than 40
units in my life so I'm not a noob.Geez it's always my luck
to mail order and get dead stuff.I have spaced on a couple occasions and
forgotten a jumper,but I've been over this and through it for an hour
now,and cannot see any errors,thanks,Adysthemic
 
doesnt your board have voice post?

plug a speaker in the audio output and it will tell you whats wrong!
 
Lazarus said:
doesnt your board have voice post?

plug a speaker in the audio output and it will tell you whats wrong!
Erm,no offense,but I stated it does not POST at all only powers up.No
beeps,no voice,nothing.I'm trying to RMA
now.I used to love ASUS,way back when.. P55t2p4 so much so when I became an
"IT guy" I always chose ASUS.I was responsible for the purchase of 80 P4TE's
5 of which failed,and were replaced with no hassle.I guess I'm still loyal
to ASUS,but getting a DOA is really
irritating.If they easily RMA it, I'm still a loyal customer.
Adysthemic
 
Erm,no offense,but I stated it does not POST at all only powers up.No
beeps,no voice,nothing.I'm trying to RMA
now.I used to love ASUS,way back when.. P55t2p4 so much so when I became an
"IT guy" I always chose ASUS.I was responsible for the purchase of 80 P4TE's
5 of which failed,and were replaced with no hassle.I guess I'm still loyal
to ASUS,but getting a DOA is really
irritating.If they easily RMA it, I'm still a loyal customer.

And again... Plug in a speaker and turn it on and you should hear an error
spoken. I may take a minute or two though. This is completely separate from
the CPU and runs on its own circuitry.

A few things to check..
- CMOS battery jumper in the wrong place
- Try clearing CMOS
- IDE cables backwards
- 4 pin CPU power cable plugged in
- Build it outside the case - MB, PSU, CPU & sink, and MB and audio
speakers. Nothing else. Should still beep and at least spit out an error. If
it seems to work, add the video card and try again.

!!REMOVE FROM POWER BEFORE SWAPPING HARDWARE!! PCI slots are hot as long as
the PSU is plugged in (and rear switch is on, if you have one), even if the
computer is turned off. (for Wake on LAN and such)

....next would be try a different PSU or this PSU in another chassis. Swap
CPU. etc...
 
Noozer said:
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And again... Plug in a speaker and turn it on and you should hear an error
spoken. I may take a minute or two though. This is completely separate from
the CPU and runs on its own circuitry.

A few things to check..
- CMOS battery jumper in the wrong place

Did that early on
- Try clearing CMOS

Did that and removed the battery for 10min
- IDE cables backwards
Removed all ancillary connections to try to generate a "beep code"
- 4 pin CPU power cable plugged in
Yes.
- Build it outside the case - MB, PSU, CPU & sink, and MB and audio
speakers. Nothing else. Should still beep and at least spit out an error. If
it seems to work, add the video card and try again.

On the old phone book,heh
!!REMOVE FROM POWER BEFORE SWAPPING HARDWARE!! PCI slots are hot as long as
the PSU is plugged in (and rear switch is on, if you have one), even if the
computer is turned off. (for Wake on LAN and such)

...next would be try a different PSU or this PSU in another chassis. Swap
CPU. etc...

I believe I stated that I tried another CPU.
I have no other compatible Ram to try.

Hey thanks for all the suggestions,but so far I have tried them all
already,except the PSU.It is a high quality Enermax that worked fine with my
Iwill Athlon MB.
 
"Adsythemic" said:
Erm,no offense,but I stated it does not POST at all only powers up.No
beeps,no voice,nothing.I'm trying to RMA
now.I used to love ASUS,way back when.. P55t2p4 so much so when I became an
"IT guy" I always chose ASUS.I was responsible for the purchase of 80 P4TE's
5 of which failed,and were replaced with no hassle.I guess I'm still loyal
to ASUS,but getting a DOA is really
irritating.If they easily RMA it, I'm still a loyal customer.
Adysthemic

There are two power up states. If you press the power switch, and
no PSU fan or case fan spins, then the power really is dead. If
you get fans spinning, but the processor doesn't complete power
on self test, then there can be some power on the board, but
maybe not all of the power rails are available. The first
state, for example, can be caused if you place an illegally
keyed 3.3V only video card in the AGP slot - the AGP_warn circuit
will prevent the power switch from working.

What Lazarus tried to explain to you, is your board has a special
chip on it, which contains a bunch of audio files containing a
woman's voice. Depending on the error condition on the board,
the voice messages are played by the chip. The chip is permanently
connected to the lime colored, Lineout connector on the back of
the computer. It doesn't matter whether you use an Audigy or a
Sound Blaster, the Woman still talks only via the Lineout
connector.

This chip is independent of the processor, and in fact a voice
message telling you no CPU is present, can be generated by the
Voice chip on its own. About all the Voice chip needs to operate,
is some +5VSB and a reset signal.

The signal from the Voice chip is fairly weak, so an amplified
speaker should be connected to the Lineout connector on the
back of the computer, in order to comfortably hear the message.
Due to the level of compression used in the Voice samples, most
listeners have trouble deciphering what is being said. It is
best to keep the manual propped open to the page that lists
all of the Voice messages, so you can correlate the muffled
message, to the text. Section 3.2 of the manual has the error
messages.

If I had to guess what you did wrong, it would be forgetting
to connect the 2x2 ATX 12V power connector. But, the fact that
you couldn't shut down via the power switch on the front of the
computer, is a bad sign, and implies there is a fault somewhere
else (unless you didn't hold the switch for four seconds...).

I recommend the cardboard test at this point, to try to eliminate
as many sources of short circuit as possible.

As with any procedure on the computer, unplug the computer when
changing any hardware. This avoids little accidents where the
+5VSB zaps something, like the RAM sockets that could still have
sustaining voltages on them. Since one poster here has had a PSU
power supply switch fail in the "On" position, the safest thing
to do, is always disconnect the cord before working in the
computer. (Yes, this is probably worse for electrostatic discharge,
but as long as you bring the chassis to the same potential as your
body, that takes care of a lot of it. A wrist strap can be used to
bring you to the same potential as the case.)

1) Remove mobo from case.
2) Strip everything off the motherboard.
3) Place motherboard on a piece of cardboard.
4) Connect the power supply, both the ATX 20 pin connector, and
the 2x2 square power connector.
5) Connect an amplified speaker to the lime colored Lineout connector
on the back of the computer.
6) At this point, you have _no_ wires connected to the PANEL header.
To power on the board, use a screwdriver tip to momentarily short
together the two terminals, where normally the power switch would
be connected. This takes care of defective computer case switches,
which do occasionally ship stuck shorted or stuck open.
7) When you fake the power switch press, with the screwdriver tip, you
should be greeted with a "No CPU Present" message. When you have
finished a test, touching the screwdriver continuously for
four seconds to the two power switch pins, will switch the
computer off.

If you get a Voice message from this test, then add CPU, memory,
video card, keyboard, mouse, one at a time, and listen for a
different error message from your amplified speaker. If the
CPU, memory, and video card work, it can take at least 30 seconds
before you'll hear "No Keyboard Installed" or the like. So, be
patient when listening for the messages, as some of them are
generated when the processor tells the Voice chip to generate
that message.

I hope that procedure will give you some more ideas as to
where the fault lies.

Paul
 
Paul said:
There are two power up states. If you press the power switch, and
no PSU fan or case fan spins, then the power really is dead. If
you get fans spinning, but the processor doesn't complete power
on self test, then there can be some power on the board, but
maybe not all of the power rails are available. The first
state, for example, can be caused if you place an illegally
keyed 3.3V only video card in the AGP slot - the AGP_warn circuit
will prevent the power switch from working.

What Lazarus tried to explain to you, is your board has a special
chip on it, which contains a bunch of audio files containing a
woman's voice. Depending on the error condition on the board,
the voice messages are played by the chip. The chip is permanently
connected to the lime colored, Lineout connector on the back of
the computer. It doesn't matter whether you use an Audigy or a
Sound Blaster, the Woman still talks only via the Lineout
connector.

This chip is independent of the processor, and in fact a voice
message telling you no CPU is present, can be generated by the
Voice chip on its own. About all the Voice chip needs to operate,
is some +5VSB and a reset signal.

The signal from the Voice chip is fairly weak, so an amplified
speaker should be connected to the Lineout connector on the
back of the computer, in order to comfortably hear the message.
Due to the level of compression used in the Voice samples, most
listeners have trouble deciphering what is being said. It is
best to keep the manual propped open to the page that lists
all of the Voice messages, so you can correlate the muffled
message, to the text. Section 3.2 of the manual has the error
messages.

If I had to guess what you did wrong, it would be forgetting
to connect the 2x2 ATX 12V power connector. But, the fact that
you couldn't shut down via the power switch on the front of the
computer, is a bad sign, and implies there is a fault somewhere
else (unless you didn't hold the switch for four seconds...).

I recommend the cardboard test at this point, to try to eliminate
as many sources of short circuit as possible.

As with any procedure on the computer, unplug the computer when
changing any hardware. This avoids little accidents where the
+5VSB zaps something, like the RAM sockets that could still have
sustaining voltages on them. Since one poster here has had a PSU
power supply switch fail in the "On" position, the safest thing
to do, is always disconnect the cord before working in the
computer. (Yes, this is probably worse for electrostatic discharge,
but as long as you bring the chassis to the same potential as your
body, that takes care of a lot of it. A wrist strap can be used to
bring you to the same potential as the case.)

1) Remove mobo from case.
2) Strip everything off the motherboard.
3) Place motherboard on a piece of cardboard.
4) Connect the power supply, both the ATX 20 pin connector, and
the 2x2 square power connector.
5) Connect an amplified speaker to the lime colored Lineout connector
on the back of the computer.
6) At this point, you have _no_ wires connected to the PANEL header.
To power on the board, use a screwdriver tip to momentarily short
together the two terminals, where normally the power switch would
be connected. This takes care of defective computer case switches,
which do occasionally ship stuck shorted or stuck open.
7) When you fake the power switch press, with the screwdriver tip, you
should be greeted with a "No CPU Present" message. When you have
finished a test, touching the screwdriver continuously for
four seconds to the two power switch pins, will switch the
computer off.

If you get a Voice message from this test, then add CPU, memory,
video card, keyboard, mouse, one at a time, and listen for a
different error message from your amplified speaker. If the
CPU, memory, and video card work, it can take at least 30 seconds
before you'll hear "No Keyboard Installed" or the like. So, be
patient when listening for the messages, as some of them are
generated when the processor tells the Voice chip to generate
that message.

I hope that procedure will give you some more ideas as to
where the fault lies.

Paul
Thanks Paul,
I'll try your procedure.I did not in fact have the speakers hooked up,as I
was waiting to hear "beep codes".I did hold for the 4 second wait,no power
off.Looks like I got a dead one.I like to experiment though.I'll try
anything that
sounds reasonable while I'm waiting for an RMA.Thanks
all,Adysthemic
 
Paul said:
There are two power up states. If you press the power switch, and
no PSU fan or case fan spins, then the power really is dead. If
you get fans spinning, but the processor doesn't complete power
on self test, then there can be some power on the board, but
maybe not all of the power rails are available. The first
state, for example, can be caused if you place an illegally
keyed 3.3V only video card in the AGP slot - the AGP_warn circuit
will prevent the power switch from working.

What Lazarus tried to explain to you, is your board has a special
chip on it, which contains a bunch of audio files containing a
woman's voice. Depending on the error condition on the board,
the voice messages are played by the chip. The chip is permanently
connected to the lime colored, Lineout connector on the back of
the computer. It doesn't matter whether you use an Audigy or a
Sound Blaster, the Woman still talks only via the Lineout
connector.

This chip is independent of the processor, and in fact a voice
message telling you no CPU is present, can be generated by the
Voice chip on its own. About all the Voice chip needs to operate,
is some +5VSB and a reset signal.

The signal from the Voice chip is fairly weak, so an amplified
speaker should be connected to the Lineout connector on the
back of the computer, in order to comfortably hear the message.
Due to the level of compression used in the Voice samples, most
listeners have trouble deciphering what is being said. It is
best to keep the manual propped open to the page that lists
all of the Voice messages, so you can correlate the muffled
message, to the text. Section 3.2 of the manual has the error
messages.

If I had to guess what you did wrong, it would be forgetting
to connect the 2x2 ATX 12V power connector. But, the fact that
you couldn't shut down via the power switch on the front of the
computer, is a bad sign, and implies there is a fault somewhere
else (unless you didn't hold the switch for four seconds...).

I recommend the cardboard test at this point, to try to eliminate
as many sources of short circuit as possible.

As with any procedure on the computer, unplug the computer when
changing any hardware. This avoids little accidents where the
+5VSB zaps something, like the RAM sockets that could still have
sustaining voltages on them. Since one poster here has had a PSU
power supply switch fail in the "On" position, the safest thing
to do, is always disconnect the cord before working in the
computer. (Yes, this is probably worse for electrostatic discharge,
but as long as you bring the chassis to the same potential as your
body, that takes care of a lot of it. A wrist strap can be used to
bring you to the same potential as the case.)

1) Remove mobo from case.
2) Strip everything off the motherboard.
3) Place motherboard on a piece of cardboard.
4) Connect the power supply, both the ATX 20 pin connector, and
the 2x2 square power connector.
5) Connect an amplified speaker to the lime colored Lineout connector
on the back of the computer.
6) At this point, you have _no_ wires connected to the PANEL header.
To power on the board, use a screwdriver tip to momentarily short
together the two terminals, where normally the power switch would
be connected. This takes care of defective computer case switches,
which do occasionally ship stuck shorted or stuck open.
7) When you fake the power switch press, with the screwdriver tip, you
should be greeted with a "No CPU Present" message. When you have
finished a test, touching the screwdriver continuously for
four seconds to the two power switch pins, will switch the
computer off.

If you get a Voice message from this test, then add CPU, memory,
video card, keyboard, mouse, one at a time, and listen for a
different error message from your amplified speaker. If the
CPU, memory, and video card work, it can take at least 30 seconds
before you'll hear "No Keyboard Installed" or the like. So, be
patient when listening for the messages, as some of them are
generated when the processor tells the Voice chip to generate
that message.

I hope that procedure will give you some more ideas as to
where the fault lies.

Paul


Paul,
Just to be thourough I counted off "one one thousand two one thousand etc.
on hold down the power button.It will shutdown holding in and counting off
that way,A
 
Adsythemic said:
occasions became


Paul,
Just to be thourough I counted off "one one thousand two one thousand etc.
on hold down the power button.It will shutdown holding in and counting off
that way,A

Paul,
Did your procedure carefully step by step.Sucess,sort of.
The board would post,but only with the older 1.5 gig P4.
Same as before with the Prescott.So I flashed the bios
to 1017,bingo that fixed it.
It would not boot to windows though.But I half expected
that to be a problem before I started this project.I'm doing a "repair"
re-install and it seems to be working fine
right now.Thanks for the suggestions,I might have just sent the board back
without them.I still don't see what my original error was,but removing the
board and putting it back took care of whatever it was,Adysthemic
 
I still don't see what my original error was


Did you ever plug the speaker in the back to see what the voice post
said??????

You do get the voice post whether the machine posts or not you know

Twice you were told!

Just to "drum it into your head" you will STILL get a voice post even if you
have no cpu,vga or ram installed!

.........no offence!
 
Lazarus said:
Did you ever plug the speaker in the back to see what the voice post
said??????

You do get the voice post whether the machine posts or not you know

Twice you were told!

Just to "drum it into your head" you will STILL get a voice post even if you
have no cpu,vga or ram installed!

........no offence!
Lol,Laz I never did hear it?!I thought I would get to hear it when the
prescott support wasn't in the earlier bios version,and it failed to
boot.Honestly I forgot all about hearing it after I got it all to work.I'll
get it working if it isn't,does sound like a cool thing.BTW I fiddled and
twiddled
and cannot OC higher than 2.88(2.4) darn it.Don't want to vcore it more than
1.65.Temp is 52C at idle.Pretty hot,like my old athlon.HSF is stock but of a
much higher quality than I've seen before.It even has a heavy embedded
copper core.
I'll dink around some more,I really wanted 3.0ghz,Adysthemic
..
 
Adysthemic said:
Lol,Laz I never did hear it?!I thought I would get to hear it when the
prescott support wasn't in the earlier bios version,and it failed to
boot.Honestly I forgot all about hearing it after I got it all to work.I'll
get it working if it isn't,does sound like a cool thing.BTW I fiddled and
twiddled
and cannot OC higher than 2.88(2.4) darn it.Don't want to vcore it more than
1.65.Temp is 52C at idle.Pretty hot,like my old athlon.HSF is stock but of a
much higher quality than I've seen before.It even has a heavy embedded
copper core.
I'll dink around some more,I really wanted 3.0ghz,Adysthemic
.
This just gets worse and worse,hehe.No bios message sound
at all.............I had the speakers plugged into the wrong jack hole,lol.I
did it by "feel" on auto pilot.Just as I'd done a million times on my old
set-up,well I stuck it in the wrong hole,shhh don't tell my wife ;>),A
 
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