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I have a problem with MM2 and creating a VCD. I have looked at almost all the
threads and posts and tried several things that have been suggested but I
still have a problem so I thought that I would start a new thread. When I do
the following procedure my DVD player shows "non-playable disc" on the tv
screen...
1) copy digital stills to MM2.
2) create a movie with audio and save it as DV AVI.
3) convert to MPEG1 using TMPgenc.
4) load MPG file into Nero Vision Express and burn VCD.
I have a JVC DVD player that, supposedly, can play JPG, VCD and SVCD formats
and I have played CD's containing just digital photos with no problems. So
far I think I have wasted about a dozen CD-R trying to do this. Help!!! :(
 
Hello,

Scrap TMPgenc by selecting it in windows explorer and delete it!!!

` Start Nero Vision Express and select option to create the disk type you
want...at the appropriate point click on the browse button (bottom left of right
hand pane) and import the DV-AVI file. Select any other option visible and
tailor to your needs...click NEXT and burn the disc

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www.the-kellys.org
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Hello again,

I should have said....clicking the MORE >> button at the bottom of the main
window you can edit the way the video is converted, including using the very
good 2-Pass Compiler....but if you are making anything other than a DVD I would
wonder if there was any real point...SVCD is only as good as S-Video and VCD is
only as good as conventional VHS.

If you do not have a DVD burner, perhaps you should consider buying one...they
are real cheap now.

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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Whoa now!! You seem to be flying in the face of what most people consider to
be the "best" free converting software by telling me to delete TMPgenc and
use NERO for all my convert and burn needs? But OK, I am willing to try
anything, at least once if it saves on CD-R's. Is there any other settings in
NERO VISION that I should be particularly careful about when doing the burn?
Thanks for your help :)
Mark
 
Mark,

As a quick test of the VCD playing in your unit, try burning one directly
from Movie Maker.

The last time I took a VCD to my local store and tested it in several DVD
players, it worked in half of them and not in the others.... all brand new
players.
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Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
Photo Story 3 - use the menu branch at www.papajohn.org

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Hello there,

Whoa now!! You seem to be flying in the face of what most people consider to
be the "best" free converting software by telling me to delete TMPgenc and
use NERO for all my convert and burn needs? But OK, I am willing to try
anything, at least once if it saves on CD-R's. Is there any other settings in
NERO VISION that I should be particularly careful about when doing the burn?
Click to expand...

Well first off, SOME people consider it to be OK but your remark say it
all....."best" free software being compared to a Commercial product from a
highly visible company/product. I have tried the free stuff and have no regard
for it at all, and I use the Cinegy MPeg Codecs (You don't get much better
anywhere).

I think you will find that most people praise it until the time they have to
pay the licence fee!!! and on top of that, have you ever thought..."I wonder
what they have compared it too?" and was it a comparison of the exact same
file?? under unbiased conditions by a person qualified to make such a
comparison. But who cares anyway...if you have Nero 6 you are not going to get
any better software at our end of the market. One other comment on this
theme...if you read enough of the messages in here you will find some extremely
stupid remarks from the "experts". Once you become aware of that you should
then consider their remarks on the "best free software"

The Nero 6 High quality encoder for all four formats is pretty dam good...good
enough for me when doing Dual Layer DVD's of weddings. I have to say that I am
surprised you bought NEro and then decided to try a freeby without having given
Nero at least a look!!!

With regards what extra you need...Click the MORE >>> button, you will see that
you can change where files are stored and that you can change the target
format/ratio and exactly what compression should be employed....you get a nice
little bar that shows by how much the target disk will be filled...its very
good when you use more complex menus on DVD's

Please do not take this personally, I have just realised that you may have done
what I am going to refer to as a "papajohn"...to give you an idea, he passed a
critique on a piece of software (PerfectDisk) saying that after giving it HOURS
to run and complete a defragment He then created a file on the defragmented
disk and he discovered it still had THOUSANDS of fragments...ergo the software
does not work...He is wrong of course...he did not read anything on the screen
and as a result did not run the program properly...a "papajohn"

So, :):) the papajohn you may have committed....Under the MORE >>> Option in
Nero you set the bit rate...now, if you took a file from TMPgenc, created at
whatever bit rate and fed that through Nero without ensuring that the bit rate
matched up (In Nero) you will have caused Nero to recode the file....its not a
good idea to recode MPeg's roughly you double the loss of quality, So......
RTFM :) I am not 100% certain as Nero is not on this machine...I am fairly sure
that there is also an option you MUST check if you want to regulate the type of
recode...Other software calls it Intelligent Rendering...I can't remember what
Nero call it.

With regard to Nero...it has one issue by my definition...the ability to import
a previously made DVD is brilliant...you can edit the video do what you like
and there is NO quality lost (except for where you use a transition or an
effect) You can then put the modified DVD back onto a disk and know that by and
large its no worse than the original...the issue/problem is in the user
interface (If you want to chop out a TV advert its a tricky business because
you can not easily open up the time line...instead you have to slide backwards
and forwards by a minute/second or frame at a time (Movie Maker is 8 frames at
a time)...it gets tedious when the time line is 2 hours long but the length on
screen does not change....
--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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Hello Rino,

As a quick test of the VCD playing in your unit, try burning one directly
from Movie Maker.
Click to expand...

Movie Maker can not create a VCD, it can only create a HIGHMAT disc. There are
no domestic HIGHMAT VIDEO players at this time...you can only play the disc on
your computer.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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Thanks for your thorough and candid reply, John, and yes,
I did "papjohn" as you noted. Being a novice at this sort
of thing, I tend to take to heart what the "experts" say
and, as you rightly point out, that is always very
subjective and you do need to know the benchmarks
involved. I will take some time to study your reply in
detail and look more closely at Nero. I guess I took the
old "plug-and-play" philosophy to seriously hoping that
everything can be accomplished by the mere push of a
button.
Thanks again,
Mark
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Hello there,

about when doing the burn?

Well first off, SOME people consider it to be OK but your remark say it
all....."best" free software being compared to a Commercial product from a
highly visible company/product. I have tried the free stuff and have no regard
for it at all, and I use the Cinegy MPeg Codecs (You don't get much better
anywhere).

I think you will find that most people praise it until the time they have to
pay the licence fee!!! and on top of that, have you ever thought..."I wonder
what they have compared it too?" and was it a comparison of the exact same
file?? under unbiased conditions by a person qualified to make such a
comparison. But who cares anyway...if you have
Click to expand...
Nero 6 you are not going to get
any better software at our end of the market. One other comment on this
theme...if you read enough of the messages in
Click to expand...
here you will find some extremely
stupid remarks from the "experts". Once you
Click to expand...
become aware of that you should
then consider their remarks on the "best free software"

The Nero 6 High quality encoder for all four
Click to expand...
formats is pretty dam good...good
enough for me when doing Dual Layer DVD's of
Click to expand...
weddings. I have to say that I am
surprised you bought NEro and then decided to try a freeby without having given
Nero at least a look!!!

With regards what extra you need...Click the MORE
you can change where files are stored and that you can change the target
format/ratio and exactly what compression should be employed....you get a nice
little bar that shows by how much the target disk will be filled...its very
good when you use more complex menus on DVD's

Please do not take this personally, I have just
Click to expand...
realised that you may have done
what I am going to refer to as a "papajohn"...to give you an idea, he passed a
critique on a piece of software (PerfectDisk)
Click to expand...
saying that after giving it HOURS
to run and complete a defragment He then created a file on the defragmented
disk and he discovered it still had THOUSANDS of fragments...ergo the software
does not work...He is wrong of course...he did
Click to expand...
not read anything on the screen
and as a result did not run the program properly...a "papajohn"

So, :):) the papajohn you may have
Click to expand...
committed....Under the MORE >>> Option in
Nero you set the bit rate...now, if you took a file from TMPgenc, created at
whatever bit rate and fed that through Nero
Click to expand...
without ensuring that the bit rate
matched up (In Nero) you will have caused Nero to recode the file....its not a
good idea to recode MPeg's roughly you double the loss of quality, So......
RTFM :) I am not 100% certain as Nero is not on
Click to expand...
this machine...I am fairly sure
that there is also an option you MUST check if
Click to expand...
you want to regulate the type of
recode...Other software calls it Intelligent
Click to expand...
Rendering...I can't remember what
Nero call it.

With regard to Nero...it has one issue by my
Click to expand...
definition...the ability to import
a previously made DVD is brilliant...you can edit the video do what you like
and there is NO quality lost (except for where you use a transition or an
effect) You can then put the modified DVD back
Click to expand...
onto a disk and know that by and
large its no worse than the original...the issue/problem is in the user
interface (If you want to chop out a TV advert its a tricky business because
you can not easily open up the time
Click to expand...
line...instead you have to slide backwards
and forwards by a minute/second or frame at a
Click to expand...
time (Movie Maker is 8 frames at
 
Hello Mark,

I am part way into writing a tutorial on one of the many options in
Nero. The situation...you have made your DVD and no longer have the source
files and you want to edit it in some way. The situation is resolved within
one package (Nero) and with no loss of quality and without having to convert
the files into DV-AVI for use in Movie Maker. I am not saying Movie Maker
can be replaced by Nero....Movie Maker is much better for creating a video
even though it does not have some of the very clever effects that Nero
has....

Keep looking in on the tutorial...the basics for the above are already
there, but there is a lot more to write yet.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
 
Ok, I'm back! I did what you suggested; used NERO VISION EXPRESS exclusively
to create and burn a SVCD slide show of a few of my pictures and VIOLA!! it
worked perfectly! Very good quality result. I only encountered one problem
and that was that the duration that I specified for each picture did not
work. I specified 6 seconds duration but both the preview in Nero and the
resulting SVCD had durations of about 40 seconds. Way too long! If you know
why this is happening I would appreciate knowing and in the meantime I will
check with Nero support about it.
Thanks for your information and help.
Mark
 
Hello,

I'm pleased things are going in the right direction. I can't at this time
answer your question on slide duration...I'm on a machine that does not have it
installed. I will have a look and come back to you on that issue.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
 
Hello,

I have created a short 15 picture slide show and possibly created a new art
form at the same time...Microsoft Audio-Art...you will see what I mean when you
see the video. At this moment its being uploaded to my website. For now at
least I will put it in the Media > Our Video section of the site.

With respect to the duration I had no problem changing it on one or all
pictures at a time. So can you give me any more info on what went wrong??? and
just in case, can you confirm that you are using Nero Vision Express 3.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
 
TMPGenc is one of the best encoders you can get for the money. It is not
free to encode mpeg2 files, after you have used the 30 day trial you have to
pay for it. The Mpeg1 encoder remains free and will beat most other cheap
encoders in quality. The range of options for changing the settings in the
encode process are excellent. TMPG also do an ecellent dvd authoring app,
called tmpg dvd author, suprise suprise!!
The biggest drawback of tmpgenc is that to make high quality files it takes
a long time.
The likes of Nero etc have made big strides in quality recently and what you
can now choose from is something of good quality in a reasonable time, or
excellent quality in a long time.
I did spend quite some time a while back comparing the quality of this app
against others, but have not done it recemtly, as I now use canopus procoder
or my storm card to do all my encoding.
 
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