Outlook Lab

[Chad Dollins]

Sorry for the cross post.

We have a facility where we like to begin teaching students Outlook 2003 in
a classroom situation. Know very little about the actual implementation
choice that must be made, I only know the restriction. The firs and most
important is that the know e-mail can leave the room. So, I would assume
that this would call for a intranet based mail server solution. The second
situation is that there is no dedicated server for this implementation only
the clients in the room with Office 2003 and Outlook 2003. What we would
like to do is bring in on a lab top Windows 2003 Server with Exchange 2003
installed and create an intranet mail system for the class. What I would
like to know is can this be done? Would we need to plop a domain controller
down in the room with DNS and (DHCP???) and then just plug the port 25. Or
is there some more elegant solution that we can use that makes everyone
happy?

Thanks for all your help.

--Chad

 

[Kurt]

Since know email can leave the room, what about un-known email? But
seriously, you can download an email program (POP3 / SMTP server) - a
freebie for Windows or something for Linux. Even a demo of something like
Imail if it's for a short duration. Check on educational pricing. There's no
need to set up a domain for simple POP3 email. If you want to use Exchange,
you'll need a lot more.If that's the case, I'd suggest you get some
experienced person to give you a hand.

....kurt

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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Sorry for the cross post.

We have a facility where we like to begin teaching students Outlook
2003 in a classroom situation. Know very little about the actual
implementation choice that must be made, I only know the restriction.
The firs and most important is that the know e-mail can leave the
room. So, I would assume that this would call for a intranet based
mail server solution. The second situation is that there is no
dedicated server for this implementation only the clients in the room
with Office 2003 and Outlook 2003. What we would like to do is bring in on
a lab top Windows 2003 Server with Exchange 2003 installed and
create an intranet mail system for the class. What I would like to
know is can this be done? Would we need to plop a domain controller
down in the room with DNS and (DHCP???) and then just plug the port
25. Or is there some more elegant solution that we can use that makes
everyone happy?
Thanks for all your help.

--Chad

Chad, what other group did you post this to? This was not cross-posted, but
apparently multi-posted individually for if it was cross-posted, we would be
able to reply to all the groups it was cross-posted to simultaneously, which
would be been to your's and our benefit.

Nonetheles, about teaching Outlook, we set this up all the time in our
classroom enviornment for the application instructors to teach classes that
require a mail server. You can simply install a 2003 DC, then install
Exchange 2003 on it. Of course DNS will need to be installed on it to make
AD work. Create user accounts called Student1 thru StudentX (x being the #
of students). Join the student machines to the domain, install Office (or
just OUtlook 2003), logon as the user account, configure Outlook 2003
profile to use an Exchange server, provide it's name, and you;re done.

But keep in mind, an Exchange server will SEND mail out of the box to
anywhere in the world as long as it has connectivity. However the mail may
not be received since spam filters at the recipient site will more than
likely block it. But for the mail to be replied back to, take quite a few
more steps.

In a classroom environment to teach Outlook, you don't need all that. Just
teach the product's rich feature set, you can just stress the fact the
students can interact and send mail to each other, use the and fully explain
the calendaring features such as Meeting Requests, etc.

To return mail, you need to create an MX record the Exchange server will be
receiving mail on for that domain name, configure the Recipient Policy to
tell it is authorative for that domain, create an A record in the
nameservers on the Internet for that domain, etc.

To know how to install AD and Exchange is another topic in of itself and
would suggest to take a short course on it for there is just too much
information to go over on how to do that.

--
Ace

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[Chad Dollins]

"Ace Fekay [MVP]"

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Chad, what other group did you post this to? This was not cross-posted,
but apparently multi-posted individually for if it was cross-posted, we
would be able to reply to all the groups it was cross-posted to
simultaneously, which would be been to your's and our benefit.

Nonetheles, about teaching Outlook, we set this up all the time in our
classroom enviornment for the application instructors to teach classes
that require a mail server. You can simply install a 2003 DC, then install
Exchange 2003 on it. Of course DNS will need to be installed on it to make
AD work. Create user accounts called Student1 thru StudentX (x being the #
of students). Join the student machines to the domain, install Office (or
just OUtlook 2003), logon as the user account, configure Outlook 2003
profile to use an Exchange server, provide it's name, and you;re done.

But keep in mind, an Exchange server will SEND mail out of the box to
anywhere in the world as long as it has connectivity. However the mail may
not be received since spam filters at the recipient site will more than
likely block it. But for the mail to be replied back to, take quite a few
more steps.

So, what I was thinking that I can just close port 25 on the mail server and
then
this garuntees that no mail will leave the exchange server. Furthermore if I
just block
that port for all the subnet for the classroom then voila! Ofcourse the best
wat I know
how todo this is to connect all the machines to a router that has port
blocking functionality.
Does this make sense or am I off the mark?

In a classroom environment to teach Outlook, you don't need all that. Just
teach the product's rich feature set, you can just stress the fact the
students can interact and send mail to each other, use the and fully
explain the calendaring features such as Meeting Requests, etc.

So for the full functionality of Outlook no exchange server need be present?
I think the reason mail server has come into the picture is because mail
cannot
leave the room. With a mail server present the conception is that there
would be
no need for the internet. With a mail server smtp mail sent from studentX
to StudentY would never make it outside the room if they were using mail
server Z
on the same LAN.

To return mail, you need to create an MX record the Exchange server will
be receiving mail on for that domain name, configure the Recipient Policy
to tell it is authorative for that domain, create an A record in the
nameservers on the Internet for that domain, etc.

There is no configuration for Exchange to be an intranet only mail server?

To know how to install AD and Exchange is another topic in of itself and
would suggest to take a short course on it for there is just too much
information to go over on how to do that.

This I've been practicing, but I could definatley use a good class.

--Chad

 

[Ace Fekay [MVP]]

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So, what I was thinking that I can just close port 25 on the mail
server and then
this garuntees that no mail will leave the exchange server.
Furthermore if I just block
that port for all the subnet for the classroom then voila! Ofcourse
the best wat I know
how todo this is to connect all the machines to a router that has port
blocking functionality.
Does this make sense or am I off the mark?

Chad, to block 25 on the machine itself will cause problems with Exchange.
There is no need to do that anyway. Just instruct your students to email
each other. If you block outbound 25, that may affect your center's email
functionality. If you have a small router, isolate the classroom and block
25 on it. But we've never have had to do that for the students are usually
paying customers that are there to learn and will pay attention to
instructions to only email each other, unless there's something else going
on, such as not trusting your students?

So for the full functionality of Outlook no exchange server need be
present? I think the reason mail server has come into the picture is
because mail cannot
leave the room. With a mail server present the conception is that
there would be
no need for the internet. With a mail server smtp mail sent from
studentX to StudentY would never make it outside the room if they
were using mail server Z
on the same LAN.

If that is what you want, just eliminate the gateway address on the Exchange
server so nothing communicates out from the Exchange server. This will still
give outside access for your students, unless you want to block that too?

For the full feature set of Outlook, YES YOU DO NEED EXCHANGE.

There is no configuration for Exchange to be an intranet only mail
server?
NOPE


This I've been practicing, but I could definatley use a good class.

--Chad

I suggest to attend the Microsoft Official Curriculum (MOC) Course # 2400.
But the prerequisite is of course, the Active Directory MOC # 2279 because
Exchange REQUIRES Active Directory and a full understanding of Active
Directory (and of course DNS) is *required*.

Where are you located? I can probably hook you up with a local center and
prob get you some sort of big discount.

Ace