Other alternative shells for Windows?

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Chaos Master

Hi.

What alternative shells are available for Windows (98SE)?

I have tried:

- bbLean: crashes the system hard (illegal operation on KERNEL32.DLL)
when I open menus and foobar2000 didn't work when it was running.

- LiteStep: doesn't seem to behave correctly on Windows 98SE.
Various plug-ins are made for Windows 2000/XP and use too much system
resources.

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Hi.

What alternative shells are available for Windows (98SE)?

I have tried:

- bbLean: crashes the system hard (illegal operation on KERNEL32.DLL)
when I open menus and foobar2000 didn't work when it was running.

- LiteStep: doesn't seem to behave correctly on Windows 98SE.
Various plug-ins are made for Windows 2000/XP and use too much system
resources.
Click to expand...

You could try SharpE
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sharpe/

GeoShell
http://www.geoshell.com/index.asp

LiteShell
http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~mosses/rob/index.html

DarkStep
http://www.darkstep.com/

There are also other flavours of BlackBox that might not have such an
unfortunate effect:

Xoblite
http://xoblite.net/

BB4WIN
http://www.bb4win.org/news.php

I agree that LiteStep is becoming more and more committed to W2000 and
XP, which is a great pity. I suppose one of the older distros,
together with themes older than a year, using the plug-ins called,
should work. Not that it's a satisfactory solution :-(
 
Semolina Pilchard to stdout:
You could try SharpE
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sharpe/

GeoShell
http://www.geoshell.com/index.asp

LiteShell
http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~mosses/rob/index.html

DarkStep
http://www.darkstep.com/

There are also other flavours of BlackBox that might not have such an
unfortunate effect:

Xoblite
http://xoblite.net/

BB4WIN
http://www.bb4win.org/news.php
Click to expand...

I have tried those... BB4WIN isn't in the level of bbLean -- it lacks a
feature that I really need:

- have an always-on-top taskbar/system tray, yet one that program windows
can't overlap.

Will try those suggestions.

Thanks
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Semolina Pilchard wrote:


SharpE: Operating System: Win2K, WinXP
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Yep. My apologies. I don't know when that changed.

This latest alpha is an immense download for a mere shell. It's also
the most memory-hungry, though not by a huge amount. Several things
aren't working as they should, but I suppose that's to be expected
with an alpha. Looks like it has a lot of potential when it's more
mature.
 
Chaos said:
Hi.

What alternative shells are available for Windows (98SE)?
Click to expand...

there are a bunch. some lists are on desktopian.org and shellcity.net.

i've only tried Litestep, Liteshell, Go, Talisman and a couple of
others. honestly i use Explorer most of the time, since i use the
desktop a lot.

michael
 
Quoting Chaos Master on 12/4/2004 (10:11:39 AM):
I have tried those... BB4WIN isn't in the level of bbLean -- it lacks
a feature that I really need:

- have an always-on-top taskbar/system tray, yet one that program
windows can't overlap.
Click to expand...

You can set the taskbar to AOT and then set your desktop margins so
that maximised windows won't overlap the taskbar. This can be done in
the main bb4win version as well as the two branches (bbLean and
xoblite).
 
Jody Holmes to stdout:
You can set the taskbar to AOT and then set your desktop margins so
that maximised windows won't overlap the taskbar. This can be done in
the main bb4win version as well as the two branches (bbLean and
xoblite).
Click to expand...

Will try this on xoblite. What do I change in blackbox.rc?

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["Chaos Master"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:34:17 GMT]
- LiteStep: doesn't seem to behave correctly on Windows 98SE.
Click to expand...

Y'know, I tried LiteStep for a while, but found configuring it to be a
gigantic hassle. Any little thing you want to change, you type code. It's
been awhile so I don't remember all of my grievances, but in the end, I just
returned to Explorer. (Still, it was nice NOT have Explorer on my task
list.)
 
Jaxxim to stdout:
["Chaos Master"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:34:17 GMT]
- LiteStep: doesn't seem to behave correctly on Windows 98SE.
Click to expand...

Y'know, I tried LiteStep for a while, but found configuring it to be a
gigantic hassle. Any little thing you want to change, you type code. It's
been awhile so I don't remember all of my grievances, but in the end, I just
returned to Explorer. (Still, it was nice NOT have Explorer on my task
list.)
Click to expand...

I don't have many problems changing code... (I have done some work on
Linux and UNIX like Irix and Solaris, after all).

It's just the excess resource usage that is my problem.

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Hasten to drown into beautiful eyes / Walk within my poetry, this dying
music"
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Quoting Chaos Master on 12/4/2004 (6:13:58 PM):
Will try this on xoblite. What do I change in blackbox.rc?
Click to expand...

The settings are probably in extensions.rc. In bbLean, they're listed
like:

# desktop margins for special desktop setups
# -1 = off
blackbox.desktop.marginLeft: 36
blackbox.desktop.marginRight: 36
blackbox.desktop.marginTop: 46
blackbox.desktop.marginBottom: 60
 
Mark R. Blain to stdout:
Here's a good place to start looking:
<http://directory.google.com/Top/Com...g_Systems/Microsoft_Windows/Alternate_Shells/>
or
<http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Windows/Alternate_Shells/>
Click to expand...

Will look into those links when I have the time.

[]s
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Hasten to drown into beautiful eyes / Walk within my poetry, this dying
music"
- My loveletter to nobody


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["Chaos Master"; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:15:09 GMT]
I don't have many problems changing code... (I have done some work on
Linux and UNIX like Irix and Solaris, after all).
Click to expand...

Well, it's not changing code per se; it was the need to do it for the
slightest change I wanted to make.
 
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