OT: XPSP3 more info needed

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Tim Clark

Some information I really want from MS before the XPSP3 is released.

1. For a fully patched/updated system how big {roughly, approximately, ball
park figure} will the download be if done through AU or WU?

2. Will it include IE7 and if so, how can it be prevented.

3. If the "full install" is downloaded and run manually will it still only
give you what you don't have when you run it. And, again, will it include IE7
and how can you prevent it.

I really need to know these things before the release and need MS to let us
know.
If I cannot install XPSP3 without IE7 than I will wait.

Tim
 
Hi Tim.

Can you tel me what the problem is for you with IE7?
I run it here on XP home, at work as part of Vista and on several XP pro
machines without any problems.

Regards >*< TOM >*<


Tim Clark schreef:
 
1. I can not use IE7 at work, they have blocked it as they have found too
many compatibility issues. When I do the switch it will be after my job
allows its install [I really don't want to "support" two different version of
IE, one at home, one at work] At that time I can "play" with it and see if it
meets my needs and standards, primarily ...

2. Configurability, I want to set up the browser interface to meet my needs,
not MS's. I have heard that the ability to customize the interface the way
we can in IE6 will be restored in IE8.

As I use FF most of the time I want a familiar interface when I have to use
IE.
I configured FF to "Mirror" very closely the layout I have in IE6. I cannot
do this in IE7 as somethings just can't be moved.

3. Feed back from people I know who have used it say that it is noticeably
slower than IE6.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that that IE7 is a safer browser than IE6,
and I've said this before. I'm sure it is the best choice for IE users who
do not know how to protect themselves. I can protect myself. Therefore my
browsers will do what I want them to, not what someone else wants them to.
If not, they don't get used.

I will get it someday to be sure, but today [or tomorrow] is not that day.

[Oh, and I've heard "You can't go home again", while you should be able to
uninstall it people who have tried it say it's a pain in the ass to get
things back the way they were]

Tim
 
Hi Tim, I not sure if this will answer somethings you need to know, But it;s
interesting reading about the three :IE6, IE7, and IE8. Is it me or does
it look
like IE7 has a short life?

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/ie_8_and_the_new_browser_war.html
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2237719,00.asp

http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/forums/windows-xp/how-big-xp-sp3-112007.html

Tim Clark said:
1. I can not use IE7 at work, they have blocked it as they have found too
many compatibility issues. When I do the switch it will be after my job
allows its install [I really don't want to "support" two different version of
IE, one at home, one at work] At that time I can "play" with it and see if it
meets my needs and standards, primarily ...

2. Configurability, I want to set up the browser interface to meet my needs,
not MS's. I have heard that the ability to customize the interface the way
we can in IE6 will be restored in IE8.

As I use FF most of the time I want a familiar interface when I have to use
IE.
I configured FF to "Mirror" very closely the layout I have in IE6. I cannot
do this in IE7 as somethings just can't be moved.

3. Feed back from people I know who have used it say that it is noticeably
slower than IE6.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that that IE7 is a safer browser than IE6,
and I've said this before. I'm sure it is the best choice for IE users who
do not know how to protect themselves. I can protect myself. Therefore my
browsers will do what I want them to, not what someone else wants them to.
If not, they don't get used.

I will get it someday to be sure, but today [or tomorrow] is not that day.

[Oh, and I've heard "You can't go home again", while you should be able to
uninstall it people who have tried it say it's a pain in the ass to get
things back the way they were]

Tim
--
If you set a Vista disk in the CD tray upside down,
you can hear SATANIC VOICES!
But that isn't the worst of it,
if you set it the right way IT INSTALLS VISTA!

:
Hi Tim.

Can you tel me what the problem is for you with IE7?
I run it here on XP home, at work as part of Vista and on several XP pro
machines without any problems.

Regards >*< TOM >*<


Tim Clark schreef:
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Ron,

What a truly marvelous set of links,
Thank You :-) I have bookmarked them for future reference/ReReading.
Yes, I think you are correct, IE7 will be short lived [but they could call
the next version IE7.5 to save face].

IE7: Ill Conceived, Poorly Planned, And Horribly Executed :-(
[Again, I am Not talking from a security point of view, just Every Other
point of view :P ]

Thanks Again

Tim
--
If you set a Vista disk in the CD tray upside down,
you can hear SATANIC VOICES!
But that isn''t the worst of it,
if you set it the right way IT INSTALLS VISTA!


Ron H said:
Hi Tim, I not sure if this will answer somethings you need to know, But it;s
interesting reading about the three :IE6, IE7, and IE8. Is it me or does
it look
like IE7 has a short life?

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/ie_8_and_the_new_browser_war.html
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2237719,00.asp

http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/forums/windows-xp/how-big-xp-sp3-112007.html

Tim Clark said:
1. I can not use IE7 at work, they have blocked it as they have found too
many compatibility issues. When I do the switch it will be after my job
allows its install [I really don't want to "support" two different version of
IE, one at home, one at work] At that time I can "play" with it and see if it
meets my needs and standards, primarily ...

2. Configurability, I want to set up the browser interface to meet my needs,
not MS's. I have heard that the ability to customize the interface the way
we can in IE6 will be restored in IE8.

As I use FF most of the time I want a familiar interface when I have to use
IE.
I configured FF to "Mirror" very closely the layout I have in IE6. I cannot
do this in IE7 as somethings just can't be moved.

3. Feed back from people I know who have used it say that it is noticeably
slower than IE6.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that that IE7 is a safer browser than IE6,
and I've said this before. I'm sure it is the best choice for IE users who
do not know how to protect themselves. I can protect myself. Therefore my
browsers will do what I want them to, not what someone else wants them to.
If not, they don't get used.

I will get it someday to be sure, but today [or tomorrow] is not that day.

[Oh, and I've heard "You can't go home again", while you should be able to
uninstall it people who have tried it say it's a pain in the ass to get
things back the way they were]

Tim
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Hi Tim,

They are right it is slower and i used to use Firefox also much.
But since TrendMicro has a "Keystroke Encryption" for IE, i use IE more .
You are right about the configurability of IE, so i got your point.
Thanks for the explanation.

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Tim Clark schreef:
 
Hello Tim,

One question I CAN answer (if Microsoft keeps to its word): SP3 will NOT
include a mandatory upgrade to IE7.

This is taken from the White Paper announcing what users should expect when
SP3 is released:
"Microsoft is not adding significant functionality from newer versions of
Windows, such as Windows Vista, to Windows XP through XP SP3. For instance,
Windows XP SP3 does not include Windows Internet Explorer 7, although
Windows XP SP3 does include updates to both Internet Explorer 6 and Internet
Explorer 7, and it will update whichever version is installed on the
computer. One notable exception is that, SP3 does include Network Access
Protection (NAP) to help organizations that use Windows XP to take advantage
of new features in the Windows Server® 2008 operating system..."

Alan
 
Alan said:
Hello Tim,
One question I CAN answer (if Microsoft keeps to its word): SP3 will NOT
include a mandatory upgrade to IE7.
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Thank you Alan,
That's good to know.

Tim
 
Hello Tim:
I totally agree with you about the horrible IE7. I tried it and immediately
reverted back to IE6. Worst program MS ever came up with (well, almost).
Fred



Tim Clark said:
Ron,

What a truly marvelous set of links,
Thank You :-) I have bookmarked them for future reference/ReReading.
Yes, I think you are correct, IE7 will be short lived [but they could call
the next version IE7.5 to save face].

IE7: Ill Conceived, Poorly Planned, And Horribly Executed :-(
[Again, I am Not talking from a security point of view, just Every Other
point of view :P ]

Thanks Again

Tim
--
If you set a Vista disk in the CD tray upside down,
you can hear SATANIC VOICES!
But that isn''t the worst of it,
if you set it the right way IT INSTALLS VISTA!


Ron H said:
Hi Tim, I not sure if this will answer somethings you need to know, But it;s
interesting reading about the three :IE6, IE7, and IE8. Is it me or does
it look
like IE7 has a short life?

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/web_services_browser/ie_8_and_the_new_browser_war.html
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2237719,00.asp

http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/forums/windows-xp/how-big-xp-sp3-112007.html

Tim Clark said:
1. I can not use IE7 at work, they have blocked it as they have found too
many compatibility issues. When I do the switch it will be after my job
allows its install [I really don't want to "support" two different version of
IE, one at home, one at work] At that time I can "play" with it and see if it
meets my needs and standards, primarily ...

2. Configurability, I want to set up the browser interface to meet my needs,
not MS's. I have heard that the ability to customize the interface the way
we can in IE6 will be restored in IE8.

As I use FF most of the time I want a familiar interface when I have to use
IE.
I configured FF to "Mirror" very closely the layout I have in IE6. I cannot
do this in IE7 as somethings just can't be moved.

3. Feed back from people I know who have used it say that it is noticeably
slower than IE6.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that that IE7 is a safer browser than IE6,
and I've said this before. I'm sure it is the best choice for IE users who
do not know how to protect themselves. I can protect myself. Therefore my
browsers will do what I want them to, not what someone else wants them to.
If not, they don't get used.

I will get it someday to be sure, but today [or tomorrow] is not that day.

[Oh, and I've heard "You can't go home again", while you should be able to
uninstall it people who have tried it say it's a pain in the ass to get
things back the way they were]

Tim
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