(OT) (PLW) Vote to move PLW site was not official

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Garrett

I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all. I
showed up on the 23rd, saw mention of the vote after that, but still
have not seen a thread titled justly so. How can the people of this
newsgroup vote on something, if they have no clue that there is a vote
going on? I see no thread notifying anyone of a vote taking place, and
I searched from the 17th. This means that the vote was held within a
thread that was not title appropriately for everyone to clearly see.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but it really kind of irks me
that someone said I had the time to vote, when I didn't even know where
the vote was taking place, and I'm sure there's more people who were
unaware of this.

It's also very hard for anyone to find out about a vote in these
inappropriately named threads since the threads regarding this matter
are saturated with flames and insults that drag on for days upon days.

Now it's been said that it should be up to the users of A.C.F. to
decide this matter, to which I fully agree... And I say, if you're
going to do that, then you had better make it obvious for everyone that
a decision is in need of making. Not hidden with a thread where most
will not go due to the flames and insults.

Now I would like to suggest, that if a vote is needed in regards to
making another site *The Official Pricelessware* site, then please
someone, start an appropriate thread asking for everyone to make a
decision on this.. And please be clear and concise on what the intent
of the vote is, and leave the petty insults and flames out of that
thread... You can save those for another thread elsewhere.

Until said event happens, I have to assume that pricelessware.org is
still the main site for all intensive purposes for Pricelessware. I
can't abide by the adhock vote that was tangled within a thread where
only a few were involved, and everyone one else was not privy to it.

Basically, if you are going to do this, then you better do it right and
give *everyone* a chance to place their vote.

I will abide by the wishes of the users of this newsgroup, but only if
their wishes are appropriately called for and talled in a fair and
clear manner.

Best regards,
-Garrett
 
Garrett said:
I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all. I
showed up on the 23rd, saw mention of the vote after that, but still
have not seen a thread titled justly so. How can the people of this
newsgroup vote on something, if they have no clue that there is a vote
going on? I see no thread notifying anyone of a vote taking place, and
I searched from the 17th. This means that the vote was held within a
thread that was not title appropriately for everyone to clearly see.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but it really kind of irks me
that someone said I had the time to vote, when I didn't even know where
the vote was taking place, and I'm sure there's more people who were
unaware of this.

It's also very hard for anyone to find out about a vote in these
inappropriately named threads since the threads regarding this matter
are saturated with flames and insults that drag on for days upon days.

Now it's been said that it should be up to the users of A.C.F. to
decide this matter, to which I fully agree... And I say, if you're
going to do that, then you had better make it obvious for everyone that
a decision is in need of making. Not hidden with a thread where most
will not go due to the flames and insults.

Now I would like to suggest, that if a vote is needed in regards to
making another site *The Official Pricelessware* site, then please
someone, start an appropriate thread asking for everyone to make a
decision on this.. And please be clear and concise on what the intent
of the vote is, and leave the petty insults and flames out of that
thread... You can save those for another thread elsewhere.

Until said event happens, I have to assume that pricelessware.org is
still the main site for all intensive purposes for Pricelessware. I
can't abide by the adhock vote that was tangled within a thread where
only a few were involved, and everyone one else was not privy to it.

Basically, if you are going to do this, then you better do it right and
give *everyone* a chance to place their vote.

I will abide by the wishes of the users of this newsgroup, but only if
their wishes are appropriately called for and talled in a fair and
clear manner.

Best regards,
-Garrett
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Hi Garrett,

What was that you said before. . . ah, here it is:

"How long can a dead horse be beaten to
insure it's dead? Trust me, from what I've seen, the horse is dead and
rotted to the bone already. There's no meat left on it to pick at.. "

*Please* - stop.

Susan
 
I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all.
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Official? Must the UN come supervise any time someone asks for a show of
preferences?

Zzzzzzzzz
 
Susan said:
Hi Garrett,

What was that you said before. . . ah, here it is:

"How long can a dead horse be beaten to
insure it's dead? Trust me, from what I've seen, the horse is dead
and rotted to the bone already. There's no meat left on it to pick
at.. "

*Please* - stop.

Susan
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And you said that everyone had a chance to vote? I'd like to know how
*everyone* had the chance when no official notice was given to the
entire group about this vote. You proclaim to be a voice for the
group, but yet, you didn't give the group the chance to make any
decision. Only a few who dared venture into one of those novel sized
threads had the chance. Is that fair Susan? Is that honest? Is that
morally correct?

All I'm suggesting, is that the entire group be given a proper chance
to vote on this.

Is there something wrong with that? Or do you feel that the vote you
held within whatever thread it was, gave the entire group a fair chance
to vote on this?

If this is not a self motivated endevor for you, then I see no reason
why you would or should disagree with this suggestion.

Best regards,
-Garrett
 
Garrett wrote:

July 1st:
I will not impose my will on anyone here and I will take suggesstions,
comments without prejudice, regardless of who, what, where etc.... My
opinion is no greater or lesser than anyone else here. I am not
interested in cliques or playing politics and will not participate in
such things.
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July 2nd:
I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all.
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LOL.

Hardly a first, seeing someone looking for repeat elections until they
get the result they want.
Hint for next time: restrict the electorate to those who are going to
vote 'correctly'. Removes so much uncertainty from the whole messy
process.
I'm not trying to be a jerk about this
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Failing so far.
 
jo said:
Garrett wrote:

July 1st:


July 2nd:


LOL.

Hardly a first, seeing someone looking for repeat elections until they
get the result they want.
Hint for next time: restrict the electorate to those who are going to
vote 'correctly'. Removes so much uncertainty from the whole messy
process.


Failing so far.
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After all mad stuff about the PLW thingy, I vote for that they start their
own newsgroup. Not everybody want´s too read about childrens play.
 
BEGE´s said:
After all mad stuff about the PLW thingy, I vote for that they start their
own newsgroup. Not everybody want´s too read about childrens play.
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There are basically two different views on how to get things done.

Group 1A: The people who get things done in an efficient but somewhat
despotic manner. They think a few determined people take care of things
better than to get involved in a lot of discussions and they are not too
interested in democracy and openness.

Genna, Sos, Garett, etc

Group 1B: The angry people who admire the strong leaders in group1A.
They get very impatient and despise all fuss like discussions. They view
democracy as manipulation and they prefer to sling mud to achieve the
goals of group 1A. They are the storm troupers of group 1A.
Some of them do not even hesitate to use violence to achieve their
goals.

Corliss, Fitzsimmons, Proteanthread, dzady, BEGE, etc..

Group 2A: People who want to do things in a democratic manner, they see
this as a group effort.

Susan, burner, etc..

Group 2B: The supporters of group dynamics and democracy.
This group is weak and are easily swayed by big mouths.
They easily give up and are not very sure about what they support.

RL, etc..

A lot of people cannot easily be characterized as belonging to any of
these groups, they are moving about and are partly here and partly
there. When I call some people leaders I do not necessarily mean that
they like or approve of the support they get from other people, it only
means that they have a view they follow. I am sure that several people
in group 1A are embarassed by the support they get from group 1B and
would rather not be supported by such people.

In the long run Group 2 will win, but Group 1 can take the power many
times before we get there, supported by their storm troups who use any
dirty means to support their leaders and the strong leader idea.

What is happening here is a miniature picture of the real world of
politics, and of social life in general.

There are still a lot of opportunities for strong leaders and their
angry storm troups to take the power in different parts of the world,
but in the long run we are going towards a more civilized and democratic
world.
 
Roger Johansson said:
There are basically two different views on how to get things done.

Group 1A:
Group 1B:
Group 2A:
Group 2B:
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And it´s still Children's play, I thougt this newsgroup was about freeware!
 
As a subscriper to a.c.f for many years I would too like to be given the
chance to vote.
I have been on retreat and have only got back recently. I hope I haven't
missed the deadline.
Was there a deadline stated in the 'call for a vote'?
Cheers
Norry
 
Garrett said:
I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all. I
showed up on the 23rd, saw mention of the vote after that, but still
have not seen a thread titled justly so. How can the people of this
newsgroup vote on something, if they have no clue that there is a vote
going on? I see no thread notifying anyone of a vote taking place,
and I searched from the 17th. This means that the vote was held
within a thread that was not title appropriately for everyone to
clearly see.
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Like marking a call for another vote OT?
I thought you didn't want to complicate things.
 
All I'm suggesting, is that the entire group be given a
proper chance to vote on this.

Is there something wrong with that? Or do you feel that
the vote you held within whatever thread it was, gave the
entire group a fair chance to vote on this?
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NO....:-( no more votes no more no more...at least not for
now... you guys think of some more fun thing to do, we need a
break!! pleeeeaaaasssseee!!!!






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Hi Garrett,
I'm sorry, but this farce of a vote can't be deemed offical at all.
Agreed.

I
showed up on the 23rd, saw mention of the vote after that, but still
have not seen a thread titled justly so. How can the people of this
newsgroup vote on something, if they have no clue that there is a vote
going on?
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Susan originally asked for the move of the PL site. Meaning the domain
and her files on it. She added that she was unwilling to work with the
current owner of the PL site.

We couldn't vote on the domain name move as we hadn't heard from
the domain name owner that it was available for moving. Susan didn't
have the courtesy to ask Genna if she would mind transferring the
domain.

So a number of us suggested that Susan move her files elsewhere. We
voted she do that. She has since misrepresented things to imply that
our votes for her to move were votes to move the domain. Something
that was never possible without the cooperation of the web site owner.

Most of the people here now do not know of your many years of work
in the freeware area. In this newsgroup and on your web sites. So they
are not aware of your competence, or dedication to freeware. So they
have nothing to "vote on" regarding you.

Put off a vote until they know you better, and your web skills. THEN a
vote could be taken if you feel there is not enough room in this group
for more than one PL site maintainer.

Regards, John.
 
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:27:49 -0500, "Garrett"


< snip >

Susan ...
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Dear John, let's all drop this and have fun with freeware?
:-) (you know, I am sure everyone is not interested in "Susan
this" "Genna that" anymore).

BTW, I updated my site, what do you think? I remember a while
ago you actually made a post about paddy cash (or was it
you?), did you get a solution yet? It reminded me that I
always want a simple budget program but yet to find one yet.
Perhaps will thinkin about making one with AutoIt :)


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Places that list the Pricelessware annual voting results and
information:
http://www.pricelessware.org,
http://lesspriceware.netfirms.com/
 
John Fitzsimons wrote:

[snip]
Put off a vote until they know you better, and your web skills. THEN a
vote could be taken if you feel there is not enough room in this group
for more than one PL site maintainer.

Regards, John.
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The impression I am getting from comments in this newsgroup, is, there
is no *Official* Pricelessware web site, and there may never have been
one, and there may never be one.

The voting of the pricelessware has been, is, and will be conducted and
controlled by the users of this newsgroup, and not any one single
person. The results of the voting are available for anyone to post on
their own site.

The term and maybe concept of *Pricelessware* is copyrighted by
alt.comp.freeware in order to protect the term from being misused by
people who may have the wrong intentions.

That's the impression I'm getting, and I think it's a sound and
reliable idea. So at this time, I am no longer going to participate in
any debates, arguements or votes regarding moving any sites, domains,
or making a specific site the *Official* site to represent
pricelessware, or this newsgroup, or to proclaim that any single person
is a representative for this newsgroup.

http://www.pricelessware.org/ will continue to operate as it has for
all these years. The names may change, the designs may change, but the
site will continue on as the site it has been, and that is, as a site
that shines the light on best of the best freeware that was selected by
the users of this newsgroup, and to promote the concept/idea of
freeware.

And that's the bottom line! Because Stone Cold Pete Boston Said So!
;-)

Best regards,
-Garrett
 
The term and maybe concept of *Pricelessware* is copyrighted by
alt.comp.freeware in order to protect the term from being misused by
people who may have the wrong intentions.
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I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand how acf can hold a copyright.
ACF is neither a natural-person nor a legal-entity such as a
corporation, association or partnership. AFIK, it has no legally
established representative or structure, no tax-id, no kind of
registration anywhere. Nothing.

IMO it has no more legal standing than a bunch of people sitting
around in a room talking and arguing to each other.

AFICS, the only legal entity here is the domain name
Priceslessware.org which is reported to be owned by Genna.
 
Vic said:
I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand how acf can hold a copyright.
ACF is neither a natural-person nor a legal-entity such as a
corporation, association or partnership. AFIK, it has no legally
established representative or structure, no tax-id, no kind of
registration anywhere. Nothing.

IMO it has no more legal standing than a bunch of people sitting
around in a room talking and arguing to each other.

AFICS, the only legal entity here is the domain name
Priceslessware.org which is reported to be owned by Genna.
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I didn't mean to sound as if what I said was legally binding... I
should have noted that it's what I feel the intent of the copyright is
for.

-Garrett
 
Vic Dura said:
I'm not a lawyer so I don't understand how acf can hold a copyright.
ACF is neither a natural-person nor a legal-entity such as a
corporation, association or partnership. AFIK, it has no legally
established representative or structure, no tax-id, no kind of
registration anywhere. Nothing.

IMO it has no more legal standing than a bunch of people sitting
around in a room talking and arguing to each other.

AFICS, the only legal entity here is the domain name
Priceslessware.org which is reported to be owned by Genna.
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You've nailed it. ACF has no legal incarnation; in the USA, anyway.
Other countries may beg to differ, though.

It would take a skilled legal team to establish any sort of legal status
for ACF participants.
 
John Fitzsimons <[email protected]> says in
news:[email protected]:
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BTW, I updated my site, what do you think?
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Do you mean ;

http://home.earthlink.net/~ringomei/page2.html ?

If so then my preference would be to get rid of all the stuff on the
left hand side. Okay for one page BUT IMO rather annoying on
every page.
I remember a while
ago you actually made a post about paddy cash (or was it
you?), did you get a solution yet? It reminded me that I
always want a simple budget program but yet to find one yet.
Perhaps will thinkin about making one with AutoIt :)
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I ended up with a Python program that works in DOS. I don't know if
there is a windows option anywhere. I thought that I might be able to
use TextCalc at ;

http://www.atomixbuttons.com/textcalc/

to do things BUT it wasn't so good after all. Here is where I got to ;

http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/fairs.jpg

If I stick with a windows solution then it looks like a spreadsheet
might be best. Though I could use a word processor. Both however
IMO are overkill. Too big. Too cumbersome. Too slow to load.

I know I can do a web search but that hasn't produced a satisfactory
result either. About the most "interesting" result was seeing posts
here on the web. In particular, mine :

http://www.talkaboutshareware.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/messages/324171.html

The main other sites have the Easy Software (DOS) program. :-(

I think that my main problem is in finding the right "terms" to use.
"Petty cash" ? "Cash Book" ? "Currency inventory" ?

Regards, John.
 
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