[OT] News servers are different?

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Hi,
I always read the correspondence of this NG through my ISP.
Now I found a new ISP (news-read2.maxwell.syr.edu) who has the same
alt.comp.freeware NG.
But with great surprise I found that there are at least 10-20% of mails
I cannot see through my regular ISP !
How is this possible?
Horst
 
horst said:
I always read the correspondence of this NG through my ISP.
Now I found a new ISP (news-read2.maxwell.syr.edu) who has the same
alt.comp.freeware NG.
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Can you post messages on maxwell? Or just read?
But with great surprise I found that there are at least 10-20% of mails
I cannot see through my regular ISP !
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What kind of messages are those 10-20% ?

Are they good and useful messages, or spam?

Have you set up filters on the first newsserver account, and forgotten
about them, which filter away 10-20% of the messages?

And, by the way, an ISP is the company you use to connect to internet with,
and you probably always use the same ISP (Internet Service Provider).
If you have cable internet your ISP is the company you pay for this cable
internet connection.
If you are on dial-up modem your ISP is the company you call up over the
telephone line.

Normally you use the same ISP all the time, no matter if you use the web,
mail, newsgroups, ftp, etc.. You always connect to these services via your
ISP account, the dial-up phone number or cable internet connection.

What you are talking about now are news-server providers, like
maxwell.syr.edu in New York or news.individual.net in Berlin.
 
Roger Johansson said:
What you are talking about now are news-server providers, like
maxwell.syr.edu in New York or news.individual.net in Berlin.
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Sometimes your ISP is also providing you with a news server, and then your
ISP is also your newsgroup server provider.

It was common earlier, but nowadays the ISP is either not giving you any
news server at all, or the ISP has paid another company for the news server
access.
 
horst wrote in said:
But with great surprise I found that there are at least 10-20%
of mails
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on the www, see: Why newsgroups are not e-mail
I cannot see through my regular ISP ! How is this possible?
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Links to info that may help you understand why:

What newsgroups are and how they work
<http://nnqweb.tripod.com/how-it-works.html>
What is Usenet?
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.announce.newusers/What_is_Usenet%3F>
What is Usenet? A second opinion.
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.announce.newusers/What_is_Usenet%3F__A_second_opinion.>

links to more info at
<http://nnqweb.tripod.com/nnqlinks.html#how>>
<http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Usenet/FAQs/>

to learn more - follow these Usenet groups:
news.newusers.questions
news.announce.newusers

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
Can you post messages on maxwell? Or just read?
just read



What kind of messages are those 10-20% ?

Are they good and useful messages, or spam?
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no spam
e.g. following postings (whole thread) are not on my ISP (just
mentioning those of today):
Automobile Log Repair freeware?
freeware like Total Commander?
Freeware Html editors
A free screenlock/screensaver password program
Freeware Screensaver, anyone?

And they surely don't seem like spam (or may they be considered as spam
by some buggy prog?)
These are 5 threads out of a total of 10 !
I don't use any anti-spam prog (which anyway should treat the 2 servers
in the same way)
Have you set up filters on the first newsserver account, and forgotten
about them, which filter away 10-20% of the messages?
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Both NG have been created in the same way with no filters.
And, by the way, an ISP is the company you use to connect to internet with,
and you probably always use the same ISP (Internet Service Provider).
If you have cable internet your ISP is the company you pay for this cable
internet connection.
If you are on dial-up modem your ISP is the company you call up over the
telephone line.

Normally you use the same ISP all the time, no matter if you use the web,
mail, newsgroups, ftp, etc.. You always connect to these services via your
ISP account, the dial-up phone number or cable internet connection.

What you are talking about now are news-server providers, like
maxwell.syr.edu in New York or news.individual.net in Berlin.
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You are right, I didn't use the appropriate terms.
I have an ADSL connection and my ISP is affiliated to my telephone company.
Horst
 
I have an ADSL connection and my ISP is affiliated to my telephone company.
Horst
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Hallo Horst, bluewin.ch sucks ;-)
das ist doch bekannt :->
Charles
 
Hallo Horst, bluewin.ch sucks ;-)
das ist doch bekannt :->
Charles
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Yes, news.bluewin.ch is the problem here.
Ask for an account at news.individual.net.
 
Hi,
I always read the correspondence of this NG through my ISP.
Now I found a new ISP (news-read2.maxwell.syr.edu) who has the same
alt.comp.freeware NG.
But with great surprise I found that there are at least 10-20% of mails
I cannot see through my regular ISP !
How is this possible?
Horst
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Most ISP's don't have the server capacity to store all messages on
all groups (if they did, then people wouldn't need to use paid news
servers such as Newscene etc).

If you want to see all messages, then you have a few options. First,
you could pay a UseNet provider for access. Secondly, you could
search on the web for lists of open news servers. The third is to
use software such as NewsParrot or NewsHunter4 (NH4) to find servers.

I'm currently using NH4 as it's free and has found several servers
for me. You can get it from
http://www.comcen.com.au/~scottford/_sgt/m2m2_1.htm .

BTW, you can also keep up-to-date by regularly checking
alt.free.newsservers as it often has notifications of servers that
open to the public for testing purposes.
 
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