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dszady
Here we go again.
http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-5150321.html?tag=nefd_top
http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-5150321.html?tag=nefd_top
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Glev Zarriontal
IE = Insecure Euphoria I remember this flaw. And I still fail
to understand why so many think IE is such a good browser. Even if one
spends the 15 to 20 minutes making IE as secure as possible, there are
always unknown security glitches waiting to make your computer suffer.
Did anyone else notice how many new virii and worms are blocking access to
windows update?
B
Bob Adkins
Let's not let our biases and unlikely theories get in the way of reality. In
reality, IE does exactly what millions of users want it to do. Now do you
understand?
Bob
R
Rhexis
Huh? It actually sounds like you're dismissing IE's many security
problems as nothing more than "unlikely theories". Since I don't for
a second believe that someone would hold that ridiculous opinion,
you're going to have to explain what you mean in more detail.
How does that disprove IE's miserable security record?
No, but then again, I also don't understand why millions of people time
and again love to execute strange attachments sent to them. I guess,
I'm just a slow learner.
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Achim Nolcken Lohse
^^^^^^^
I doubt that very much.
IE is the only browser I've ever used, and it's not because I love it,
and certainly NOT because it does exactly what I want. Far from it, I
find it maddening just about every time I use it.
OTOH, I know what happens when you contact a webmaster to tell him or
her that the site's pages don't display properly. Hell, I've had IT
staff at my alma mater tell me that I couldn't navigate their system
properly because IE4.01 wasn't supported, and had to prove that it the
problem had nothing to do with the version of IE I was running.
Imagine what response I'd have gotten if I admitted to using another
browser altogether?
I have enough problems navigating sites just because I don't have:
Java
ActiveX
active scripting, or
cookies
enabled by default.
I run into "webmasters" and other "support" staff all the time who
appear not to know of any security issues with active scripting, Java,
or ActiveX. And ultimately, I have to enable active scripting and
cookies to do my online banking and to use certain government and
utility sites (like my ISP's). But I put the settings on "prompt", so
I don't forget to disable these functions again as soon as I'm done.
I wouldn't have a clue as to how to protect my system using another
browser.
Achim
axethetax
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null
You might be interested in reading this:
http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=32
Far, far, simpler with the Moz based browsers.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
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poster
I am not particularly thrillrd at using an MS product, even a free one, but
the first comment is true "it does exactly what millions want it to do" in
so far as:
it browses
OE gets and sends mail and accesses news groups
it is compatible with Windows operating systems
The second comment is equally true in that:
it sucks if you REALLY know what you're doing, and it's basic settings do'nt
actually accomplish most of what an advanced user wants to do
it's an MS product and a lot of the people that don't like it aren't using
an MS operating system
The millions of people I am thinking of that it does exactly what they want
are those people who play solitare, keep their checkbook in quicken and do a
little emailing and web surfing...the people who have just graduated from
the handholding of AOL to trying things on the internet on their own.
These are the people who have no clue how to open their box, much less what
to do if they DID get it open.
According to my brother who was dogged on for over a year to get it, Mozilla
is the almost perfect browser. when you tell it to stop pop-ups, it
actually does! if you are trying to download something (drivers, updates,
etc) you have to turn off the pop up blocking to do it. a hassel, yes, but
how much time in a given day do you spend doing this? the average user (the
solitaire player person above) has no clue that drivers need updating, much
less what they are. Honestly, if there weren't so many of these folks out
there, I'd have way less work to do.
Mozilla also has a partner email and newsgroup reader. I don't know
anything about it, but suspect that when they say "it blocks spam" it
probably actually does it's job.
I hope this helps you two agree to disagree. you are both right to a point,
and that sounds good.
the first comment is true "it does exactly what millions want it to do" in
so far as:
it browses
OE gets and sends mail and accesses news groups
it is compatible with Windows operating systems
The second comment is equally true in that:
it sucks if you REALLY know what you're doing, and it's basic settings do'nt
actually accomplish most of what an advanced user wants to do
it's an MS product and a lot of the people that don't like it aren't using
an MS operating system
The millions of people I am thinking of that it does exactly what they want
are those people who play solitare, keep their checkbook in quicken and do a
little emailing and web surfing...the people who have just graduated from
the handholding of AOL to trying things on the internet on their own.
These are the people who have no clue how to open their box, much less what
to do if they DID get it open.
According to my brother who was dogged on for over a year to get it, Mozilla
is the almost perfect browser. when you tell it to stop pop-ups, it
actually does! if you are trying to download something (drivers, updates,
etc) you have to turn off the pop up blocking to do it. a hassel, yes, but
how much time in a given day do you spend doing this? the average user (the
solitaire player person above) has no clue that drivers need updating, much
less what they are. Honestly, if there weren't so many of these folks out
there, I'd have way less work to do.
Mozilla also has a partner email and newsgroup reader. I don't know
anything about it, but suspect that when they say "it blocks spam" it
probably actually does it's job.
I hope this helps you two agree to disagree. you are both right to a point,
and that sounds good.
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Achim Nolcken Lohse
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:20:21 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
....
system requirements.
It turns out that only one of my three commonly used PCs can meet
them, whereas all of them, plus my second desktop backup, can run
IE5.01. My main desktop, on which I'm composing this, is a 75MHz
Pentium1, while my best laptop is a 166MHz Pentium MMX with 96MB of
RAM. Firefox wants at "minimum" a P233, and a P500 with 128MB of RAM
is recommended.
Achim
axethetax
....
Thanks Art. I had a look, and followed some of the links, then got the
system requirements.
It turns out that only one of my three commonly used PCs can meet
them, whereas all of them, plus my second desktop backup, can run
IE5.01. My main desktop, on which I'm composing this, is a 75MHz
Pentium1, while my best laptop is a 166MHz Pentium MMX with 96MB of
RAM. Firefox wants at "minimum" a P233, and a P500 with 128MB of RAM
is recommended.
Achim
axethetax
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null
Last summer I purchased a "previously owned" (doncha just love that
) Hp Pavilion with Win ME, a PIII 900 mhz cpu and 128 meg RAM foronly $150. I hate to say this, but good gawsh! Your PCs are
practically worthless. There's just so much more enjoyment with a
newer and faster PC. Even mine will be four years old this summer and
as things go, many would consider it an outdated antique. But combined
with DSL service it's a dream come true from my POV.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
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Achim Nolcken Lohse
Unless it fails under warranty, then it's a nightmare, especially when
you live in the boonies as I do. Even with the advantage I have over
most of my neighbours that my wife works in the city and travels back
and forth every weekend, a repair means no system for at least a week.
So if I don't want to be computerless, I need at least one second
computer. Now, if I want a laptop as well, that's going to cost me a
thousand dollars or so Canadian for the cheapest new one available.
And from what I've seen of neighbours' experiences, getting warranty
repairs can be a total nightmare, involving delays, unexpected
expense, and often no joy in the end.
With my old boxes, when there's a problem, I go inside and try to fix
it. And usually I manage. If I can't, or it's going to take a while, I
switch to one of my backup PCs.
Sure I could buy newer used PCs and/or laptops for only a few hundred
dollars, but that's not economically sensible in most cases. I do have
one AMD K6-500 with 384MB of RAM, and I've been meaning to move my
hard drives over to it from the P75 I'm using right now. I could
probably find a mate to it for not too much money, but finding an
equivalently powerful laptop is still in the hundreds of dollars
around here. And for my day-to-day operations, I'd rather stick with
software that runs on all of my PCs.
Achim
axethetax