OT: Let's get ready to rumble! Open source shenanigans as Apache goes after JBOSS

[luke]

I haven't had so much fun since the Jerry Springer show did that piece
on fighting midget spouses, and the chihuahuas who love them!

The recent announcement by Apache - arguably the world's most
respectable open source organization and shepard of the dominant
Apache web server - that they would be creating their own open source
J2EE (Java 2 Enterprise Edition) web application server has created a
frenzy of gossip, infighting, and general mayhem in the open source
and Java communities that is wonderfully funny to behold.

Invitation by Apache to participate in J2EE effort:
http://www.apache.org/
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872

Before this announcement, the most well-known full J2EE application
server was from JBOSS, headed by a guy who butted heads repeatedly
with Sun and just about everyone else, and whose advocates were
sometime derided as being brainwashed zealots (this coming from open
source people who themselves might benefit from some objective thought
once in a while).

Now that Apache has joined in on the fray, the javablogs, discussion
groups, and mailing lists are choke full of arguments, debates, and
just plain noise about what's gonna happen next. To say that some
people are happy JBOSS is getting some comeuppance is to state it
mildly.

A few links:

Heated debates on the serverside.com:
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20763

"JBoss takes it up the ass" blog:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/fate/20030806

"Geronimo: is the open-source J2EE community on fire?" blog:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/hugopinto/20030806#geronimo_is_the_open_source

 

[asj]

"JBoss takes it up the ass" blog:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/fate/20030806

yep, i posted this one earlier..it's a freakin' hoot:

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Still, I thoroughly approve of this move. For one thing, it fragments
the pretentious OSS J2EE asshat crowd. You will have a half of them now
flock to Apache, and the real morons decide that Apache is evil and
stick to JBoss.

It's highly unsurprising. Sun has probably for a long time harboured a
deep resentment of JBoss. Who wouldn't? JBoss comes along, summons up an
army of braindead zombies, and they all start chanting irritating things
that no sane person would. They often chant anti-Sun things, so it's all
quite annoying for them. JBoss of course keeps spitting in Sun's eye
with they J2EE flag waving, loudly claiming to be the new wave of the
future, a message delivered quite colourfully via Marc Fleury's
childrens' crayons.

Next up we have the arrogant Apache kids. The relationship with Sun had
to be milked somehow. The fact that they're the adopted bastard child of
Sun should clearly pay off in one form or another. All those juicy TCK's
begging to be used, why not exploit that advantage with stuff that
actually needs those TCK's? It's a perfectly sensible approach; if you
have a wrench, you should always go out and buy a car to use the wrench
on, to capitalise on your cunning wrench purchase.

Sun wins out by getting to kick the Fleury clan in the teeth, finally
living out a fantasy that thousands have masturbated to. As an added
bonus, they get the mighty Apache group to start actively pimping J2EE,
and get the OSS zealots to start bickering amongst themselves.

 

[Bob Lehmann]

So, are the two of you enjoying your "rumble".

Bob Lehmann

I haven't had so much fun since the Jerry Springer show did that piece
on fighting midget spouses, and the chihuahuas who love them!

The recent announcement by Apache - arguably the world's most
respectable open source organization and shepard of the dominant
Apache web server - that they would be creating their own open source
J2EE (Java 2 Enterprise Edition) web application server has created a
frenzy of gossip, infighting, and general mayhem in the open source
and Java communities that is wonderfully funny to behold.

Invitation by Apache to participate in J2EE effort:
http://www.apache.org/
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10872

Before this announcement, the most well-known full J2EE application
server was from JBOSS, headed by a guy who butted heads repeatedly
with Sun and just about everyone else, and whose advocates were
sometime derided as being brainwashed zealots (this coming from open
source people who themselves might benefit from some objective thought
once in a while).

Now that Apache has joined in on the fray, the javablogs, discussion
groups, and mailing lists are choke full of arguments, debates, and
just plain noise about what's gonna happen next. To say that some
people are happy JBOSS is getting some comeuppance is to state it
mildly.

A few links:

Heated debates on the serverside.com:
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=20763

"JBoss takes it up the ass" blog:
http://www.freeroller.net/page/fate/20030806

"Geronimo: is the open-source J2EE community on fire?" blog:

http://www.freeroller.net/page/hugopinto/20030806#geronimo_is_the_open_source

 

[asj]

i thought the jakarta project (tomcat) was an apache offshoot.
i just installed the 1.4 jdk with netbeans and it installs tomcat by
default. ( ps-the netbeans ide is very, very nice AND FREE(!) )

tomcat is by apache, yes. and the jakarta project, if you noticed,
extends far beyond tomcat servlet/jso container- there are lots of other
FREE goodies around it, including apache ant, probably one of the best
deployment tools around.

if you want an mvc framework, apache struts is being heavily used.

http://jakarta.apache.org/