orange/red cast on blacks

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Beemer

I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver. Frequently
I am getting orange/red casts on blacks e.g. hair and shadows. Screen image
does not show this and other parts of the printed image are fine.

Anyone seen this problem?

Beemer
 
Beemer said:
I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver. Frequently
I am getting orange/red casts on blacks e.g. hair and shadows. Screen
image
does not show this and other parts of the printed image are fine.

Anyone seen this problem?

Beemer
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Hi.

I am not sure if this is your problem, but Orange / Red casts are often a
sign of Double Profiling.

Do you have Colour Management turned On in your Image Program, and also On
in the Driver?

Roy G
 
| | >I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver.
Frequently
| > I am getting orange/red casts on blacks e.g. hair and shadows. Screen
| > image
| > does not show this and other parts of the printed image are fine.
| >
| > Anyone seen this problem?
| >
| > Beemer
| >
|
| Hi.
|
| I am not sure if this is your problem, but Orange / Red casts are often a
| sign of Double Profiling.
|
| Do you have Colour Management turned On in your Image Program, and also On
| in the Driver?
|
| Roy G
|
|
Roy,

"Let Photoshop determine colours"
Printer profile: Epson Stylus Photo 1290 Premium Glossy Photo Paper
Black point compensation always on
Epson driver: Colour management - no colour adjustment

All images have embedded Adobe RGB 1998 and are not converted. I'm
wondering if on these problem prints it is something to do with me altering
levels especially at the black end or if using the black point dropper
incorrectly could cause it. At the area which is orange there is
horizontal banding but no banding on either side, e.g. a head would have
banded orange hair but the face and background on either side has no
banding!
 
Beemer said:
| | >I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver.
Roy,

"Let Photoshop determine colours"
Printer profile: Epson Stylus Photo 1290 Premium Glossy Photo Paper
Black point compensation always on
Epson driver: Colour management - no colour adjustment

All images have embedded Adobe RGB 1998 and are not converted. I'm
wondering if on these problem prints it is something to do with me
altering
levels especially at the black end or if using the black point dropper
incorrectly could cause it. At the area which is orange there is
horizontal banding but no banding on either side, e.g. a head would have
banded orange hair but the face and background on either side has no
banding!
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Hi.

Your C.M. settings seem Ok. Have you ticked use Black Point, and set for
Relative Colourimetric.

But there can be differences between what you can see on screen, and what
prints. Have you set up View > Proof for the 1290 / Premium Glossy Profile.

There can be quite a difference, especially in density of blacks, between
what you see on screen normally, and what shows when viewing the Soft Proof
using the Printer Profile.

This sort of error can also sometimes be due to being Out of Gamut. What
looks black on screen may actually be, or have bits, which are a very dark
colour. That Out of Gamut colour can be changed by PS to a colour which
although In Gamut, is different from what you expect.

Again your "Proof" view should help to show this up.

With my system I tended to get Greens in shadow areas of "Black" hair, but
practice with Curves, and getting the histogram End Points correct, seems to
have solved the problem.

It was much more of a problem with scans from 35mm negs, than it has been
with Digital Camera Files. (Perhaps iffy processing or bleach fixing).

I assume, of course, that your Monitor is accurate.

I have no idea about the "banding", unless it might be some sort of
reflection within the camera or lens.

Roy G
 
| | >
| > | > | | > | >I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver.
| > Roy,
| >
| > "Let Photoshop determine colours"
| > Printer profile: Epson Stylus Photo 1290 Premium Glossy Photo Paper
| > Black point compensation always on
| > Epson driver: Colour management - no colour adjustment
| >
| > All images have embedded Adobe RGB 1998 and are not converted. I'm
| > wondering if on these problem prints it is something to do with me
| > altering
| > levels especially at the black end or if using the black point dropper
| > incorrectly could cause it. At the area which is orange there is
| > horizontal banding but no banding on either side, e.g. a head would
have
| > banded orange hair but the face and background on either side has no
| > banding!
| >
| >
| Hi.
|
| Your C.M. settings seem Ok. Have you ticked use Black Point, and set for
| Relative Colourimetric.
|
| But there can be differences between what you can see on screen, and what
| prints. Have you set up View > Proof for the 1290 / Premium Glossy
Profile.
|
| There can be quite a difference, especially in density of blacks, between
| what you see on screen normally, and what shows when viewing the Soft
Proof
| using the Printer Profile.
|
| This sort of error can also sometimes be due to being Out of Gamut. What
| looks black on screen may actually be, or have bits, which are a very dark
| colour. That Out of Gamut colour can be changed by PS to a colour which
| although In Gamut, is different from what you expect.
|
| Again your "Proof" view should help to show this up.
|
| With my system I tended to get Greens in shadow areas of "Black" hair,
but
| practice with Curves, and getting the histogram End Points correct, seems
to
| have solved the problem.
|
| It was much more of a problem with scans from 35mm negs, than it has been
| with Digital Camera Files. (Perhaps iffy processing or bleach fixing).
|
| I assume, of course, that your Monitor is accurate.
|
| I have no idea about the "banding", unless it might be some sort of
| reflection within the camera or lens.
|
| Roy G
|
|
|
|
|
|

Yes black point ticked, tried proof settings for range of output e.g. RGB,
windows monitor all looks normal. When I use Epson Glossy the proof is
predominently green but I have read that the proof facility is not intended
for emulating rgb inkjet output.

I think you are on the right track when you mentioned the levels and
droppers. I have located my original jpg and printed it without any level
changes or other adjustments and it printed fine.

I'm thinking that I need to read the manual more to learn about using level
adjustments.

Beemer
 
Yes black point ticked, tried proof settings for range of output e.g.
RGB,
windows monitor all looks normal. When I use Epson Glossy the proof is
predominently green but I have read that the proof facility is not
intended
for emulating rgb inkjet output.

I think you are on the right track when you mentioned the levels and
droppers. I have located my original jpg and printed it without any level
changes or other adjustments and it printed fine.

I'm thinking that I need to read the manual more to learn about using
level
adjustments.

Beemer
Click to expand...
Hi.

Don't know who told you that, but View Proof is certainly intended to be
used with an Inkjet Printer Profile, so that you can get a closer
approximation of how the image will look when printed.

What a lot of people don't know, is that setting it up ( specifying the
profile to use, and saving it with a sensible name) is meant to be done
without an image open in Photoshop.

It does have a number of other uses, but checking out the alterations the
profile will make, and the possibly limited gamut available from that ink
set, and the brightness or lack of it for that paper, will all show in View
Proof.

It should not look normal when using RGB or Monitor.

Some people I know, always have it turned on when editing, so that the
colour adjustments they make will always be matched by the print. But then
their file will really only ever be suitable for printing on that Printer
and Paper.

There must be something way wrong if View Proof is showing as Green, yet the
Image is printing Red.

Have you got your Monitor profiled and Calibrated?

Is Ps using the correct Profile for your Monitor. It can be checked in
Colour Settings, scroll up the list of Profiles from Working Space until you
see Monitor, and which Profile is being used.

Have you selected Adobe RGB as your working Space Profile in Colour
Settings.

Are you using Epson Inks? Epson profiles are only accurate with Epson Ink.

Are you selecting "Document" - Adobe RGB as the Source Space in Print with
Preview dialogue.

Are you selecting 1290 Ep Prem Glossy in the Ouput Space in Print with
Preview.
 
When you say a red cast, is this something you see when the paper is at
a certain angle and shows as a reflection, or is it the color of the ink
itself with no reflection?

Some Epson (and other) inks suffer from something called "bronzing"
which is a reflected often dichroic-like color that shows on deep colors
and black on certain angles.


Art
 
|> Yes black point ticked, tried proof settings for range of output e.g.
| > RGB,
| > windows monitor all looks normal. When I use Epson Glossy the proof is
| > predominently green but I have read that the proof facility is not
| > intended
| > for emulating rgb inkjet output.
| >
| > I think you are on the right track when you mentioned the levels and
| > droppers. I have located my original jpg and printed it without any
level
| > changes or other adjustments and it printed fine.
| >
| > I'm thinking that I need to read the manual more to learn about using
| > level
| > adjustments.
| >
| > Beemer
| >
| Hi.
|
| Don't know who told you that, but View Proof is certainly intended to be
| used with an Inkjet Printer Profile, so that you can get a closer
| approximation of how the image will look when printed.
|
| What a lot of people don't know, is that setting it up ( specifying the
| profile to use, and saving it with a sensible name) is meant to be done
| without an image open in Photoshop.
|
| It does have a number of other uses, but checking out the alterations the
| profile will make, and the possibly limited gamut available from that ink
| set, and the brightness or lack of it for that paper, will all show in
View
| Proof.
|
| It should not look normal when using RGB or Monitor.
|
| Some people I know, always have it turned on when editing, so that the
| colour adjustments they make will always be matched by the print. But
then
| their file will really only ever be suitable for printing on that Printer
| and Paper.
|
| There must be something way wrong if View Proof is showing as Green, yet
the
| Image is printing Red.
|
| Have you got your Monitor profiled and Calibrated?
|
| Is Ps using the correct Profile for your Monitor. It can be checked in
| Colour Settings, scroll up the list of Profiles from Working Space until
you
| see Monitor, and which Profile is being used.
|
| Have you selected Adobe RGB as your working Space Profile in Colour
| Settings.
|
| Are you using Epson Inks? Epson profiles are only accurate with Epson
Ink.
|
| Are you selecting "Document" - Adobe RGB as the Source Space in Print with
| Preview dialogue.
|
| Are you selecting 1290 Ep Prem Glossy in the Ouput Space in Print with
| Preview.
|
|
Roy,

Everything matches what you have said above. However just to be sure ...

In document/options I have Printer profile set to Working RGB - Adobe RGB
1998 which is the embedded profile for all my images. I know I could set
this to the Epson Premium Photo glossy but this is not what I have read in
the Ian Lyons writeup. The paper is set in the Epson driver with No Colour
management selected.

I believe that this problem is definately related to data loss after I have
used level adjustment. No adjustment = no problem but then why do I not see
others reporting loss of black and its replacement by orange with the
horizontal striping in the affected area. I'm going to try and get a
website to post a scan of an affected image then provide a link.

Beemer

Beemer
 
| When you say a red cast, is this something you see when the paper is at
| a certain angle and shows as a reflection, or is it the color of the ink
| itself with no reflection?
|
| Some Epson (and other) inks suffer from something called "bronzing"
| which is a reflected often dichroic-like color that shows on deep colors
| and black on certain angles.
|
|
| Art
|
|
| Beemer wrote:
|
| > I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver.
Frequently
| > I am getting orange/red casts on blacks e.g. hair and shadows. Screen
image
| > does not show this and other parts of the printed image are fine.
| >
| > Anyone seen this problem?
| >
| > Beemer
| >
| >
Art, No this is not bronzing but a replacement of black by orange or a
subtraction of black leaving orange. The affected parts have severe
banding or "missing" lines but on either side the image is normal. I'm
going to find a site where I can upload a scan and then post a link.

Beemer
 
It sounds to me like your black head is almost fully clogged, and that
the orange is just a slight bit of red and yellow ink that may be trying
to tone the black slightly to make a deep brown.

The striping is probably where the black ink nozzles are working. I
suggest you do an underhead cleaning, and you may need to make up some
cleaning cartridges.

If you do not have my Epson cleaning manual, request it in private
email. It is free and it explains how to clear clogged heads on Epson
printers for mere pennies using household cleaners.

Art

e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org

(at) = @
(dot) = .

Art
 
| It sounds to me like your black head is almost fully clogged, and that
| the orange is just a slight bit of red and yellow ink that may be trying
| to tone the black slightly to make a deep brown.
|
| The striping is probably where the black ink nozzles are working. I
| suggest you do an underhead cleaning, and you may need to make up some
| cleaning cartridges.
|
| If you do not have my Epson cleaning manual, request it in private
| email. It is free and it explains how to clear clogged heads on Epson
| printers for mere pennies using household cleaners.
|
| Art
|
| e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org
|
| (at) = @
| (dot) = .
|
| Art
|
|
| Beemer wrote:
|
| > | > | When you say a red cast, is this something you see when the paper is
at
| > | a certain angle and shows as a reflection, or is it the color of the
ink
| > | itself with no reflection?
| > |
| > | Some Epson (and other) inks suffer from something called "bronzing"
| > | which is a reflected often dichroic-like color that shows on deep
colors
| > | and black on certain angles.
| > |
| > |
| > | Art
| > |
| > |
| > | Beemer wrote:
| > |
| > | > I have an Epson 1290 use Epson premium glossy and Epson driver.
| > Frequently
| > | > I am getting orange/red casts on blacks e.g. hair and shadows.
Screen
| > image
| > | > does not show this and other parts of the printed image are fine.
| > | >
| > | > Anyone seen this problem?
| > | >
| > | > Beemer
| > | >
| > | >
| > Art, No this is not bronzing but a replacement of black by orange or
a
| > subtraction of black leaving orange. The affected parts have severe
| > banding or "missing" lines but on either side the image is normal. I'm
| > going to find a site where I can upload a scan and then post a link.
| >
| > Beemer
| >
| >
Art,

Thanks for the advice and manual which I already received from you a few
months ago. As long as I don't mess around with levels too much the problem
does not appear so I don't think it is a nozzle problem. I know to avoid
double gamma correction but can printing be affected by multiple use of
level control e.g. double black and white point adjustment?

Beemer
 
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