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Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made a
huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup (in
February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I foolishly
"converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who authorized
release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to mark newsgroup
messages (headers) read without locking the computer, often, until it's
done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large amounts of files and
folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog "calculating time
remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the brilliantly animated
(big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time or anything else,
evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could go on. I will go on -
in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not possible,
as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check email (ugh).



Thanks - Bill Halvorsen
 
you will find that WM is faster if you keep the Local Folders clean and Compact regularly.
the 100 number for compacting is way too high.,
I use 5.

you can always use VPC2007 and run your xp in a virtual window.



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Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made a
huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup (in
February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I foolishly
"converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who authorized
release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to mark newsgroup
messages (headers) read without locking the computer, often, until it's
done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large amounts of files and
folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog "calculating time
remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the brilliantly animated
(big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time or anything else,
evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could go on. I will go on -
in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not possible,
as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check email (ugh).



Thanks - Bill Halvorsen
 
I tried your suggestion about compacting; it made no difference. Windows Mail is fast as it can be - it's that one routine "marking all messages read" that seems to bring Windows Mail to a bad place. In Beta 1 and 2, not sure about the RC's, just the use of that "mark all" function CRASHED Windows Mail, period.

Now, in release, it doesn't crash, someone evidently wrote a band-aid routine, badly.

I have XP Home, Isn't the fact, fiction, or folklore, that VPC2007 runs only in Pro?


you will find that WM is faster if you keep the Local Folders clean and Compact regularly.
the 100 number for compacting is way too high.,
I use 5.

you can always use VPC2007 and run your xp in a virtual window.



(e-mail address removed)




Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made a
huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup (in
February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I foolishly
"converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who authorized
release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to mark newsgroup
messages (headers) read without locking the computer, often, until it's
done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large amounts of files and
folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog "calculating time
remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the brilliantly animated
(big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time or anything else,
evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could go on. I will go on -
in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not possible,
as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check email (ugh).



Thanks - Bill Halvorsen
 
Bill,
Windows Vista (including Windows Mail) is as fast as XP for me,
with one exception. Copying a large file from one drive to
another (or to a different network drive) takes forever.
To be sure, a small group of users are reporting slowness with
certain Windows Mail operations.

Gary VanderMolen
 
Non-entity said:
Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made
a huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup
(in February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I
foolishly "converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who
authorized release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to
mark newsgroup messages (headers) read without locking the computer,
often, until it's done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large
amounts of files and folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog
"calculating time remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the
brilliantly animated (big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time
or anything else, evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could
go on. I will go on - in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not
possible, as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check
email (ugh).
Click to expand...

Create dirs on the destop which correspond in name to the folders in
WM...ie Sent / Inbox etc.
Open each folder in WM & do CTRL-A to select all emails.
Drag the emails to the respecive dir on the desktop.
Back these dirs up.

In OE, copy the files into OE in reverse.
 
Otto Normalverbraucher said:
Create dirs on the destop which correspond in name to the folders in
WM...ie Sent / Inbox etc.
Open each folder in WM & do CTRL-A to select all emails.
Drag the emails to the respecive dir on the desktop.
Back these dirs up.

In OE, copy the files into OE in reverse.
Click to expand...

Thank you very much! Great to know it can be done. I'm kind of on the
fence, it's a lot of work to go back, especially with having to reinstall
applications. Perhaps "one day soon" MS will realize their wonderkin OS
has "issues" (I hate that use of the word, but everyone else does it).
 
are you using Catch-Up or Select All and Mark Read.
it does make a difference in speed.
if you have done the Catch-up once on a news group no real need to do it again unless you reset the group.
I use Cntrl A Cntrl Q regularly and it is fast, not FAST. but no worse than xp was.



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I tried your suggestion about compacting; it made no difference. Windows Mail is fast as it can be - it's that one routine "marking all messages read" that seems to bring Windows Mail to a bad place. In Beta 1 and 2, not sure about the RC's, just the use of that "mark all" function CRASHED Windows Mail, period.

Now, in release, it doesn't crash, someone evidently wrote a band-aid routine, badly.

I have XP Home, Isn't the fact, fiction, or folklore, that VPC2007 runs only in Pro?


you will find that WM is faster if you keep the Local Folders clean and Compact regularly.
the 100 number for compacting is way too high.,
I use 5.

you can always use VPC2007 and run your xp in a virtual window.



(e-mail address removed)




Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made a
huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup (in
February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I foolishly
"converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who authorized
release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to mark newsgroup
messages (headers) read without locking the computer, often, until it's
done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large amounts of files and
folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog "calculating time
remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the brilliantly animated
(big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time or anything else,
evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could go on. I will go on -
in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not possible,
as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check email (ugh).



Thanks - Bill Halvorsen
 
I added "Mark All" (from customized toolbar list) and have long used that in OE to "mark all messages read." Same thing in WM. The balloon "help" once the button is added reads "Mark all as Read." That is precisely what I want it to do. Cntrl A-Cntrl-Q was suggested, it seems to work except when only one header comes up, then it's as slow as the "Mark all" method. Marking messages read means next session, no doubt about it, all headers downloaded will be NEW per the "hide read message view."

THe dialog box that pops up says "Marking messages" I believe; it has that famous Vista status bar that means nothing, just like the "calculating time remaining" that gives no calculation or progress when moving or deleting files. Sometimes it takes no time at all. Other times it effectively locks up WM for a minute or two. I look upon "mark all" as a kind of simple macro - that is, select all the messages - and mark them as read. Seems to be a huge problem for Vista to do this without frequently losing it; maybe it calls the same routine that handles moving or deleting files - which also doesn't work very well (at times). I should also add the dialog box "marking messages" often does NOT appear, and operation is very quick. This is a minor problem, but somehow I would think it would have been snagged in beta and FIXED.

My system is a lowly Sony Vaio with 3.20 ghz multi-threaded (but, horrors, not multi-core) CPU and 2gb RAM so I think I have enough system resources!



are you using Catch-Up or Select All and Mark Read.
it does make a difference in speed.
if you have done the Catch-up once on a news group no real need to do it again unless you reset the group.
I use Cntrl A Cntrl Q regularly and it is fast, not FAST. but no worse than xp was.



(e-mail address removed)



I tried your suggestion about compacting; it made no difference. Windows Mail is fast as it can be - it's that one routine "marking all messages read" that seems to bring Windows Mail to a bad place. In Beta 1 and 2, not sure about the RC's, just the use of that "mark all" function CRASHED Windows Mail, period.

Now, in release, it doesn't crash, someone evidently wrote a band-aid routine, badly.

I have XP Home, Isn't the fact, fiction, or folklore, that VPC2007 runs only in Pro?


you will find that WM is faster if you keep the Local Folders clean and Compact regularly.
the 100 number for compacting is way too high.,
I use 5.

you can always use VPC2007 and run your xp in a virtual window.



(e-mail address removed)




Vista needs to go away and sit on the shelf for a year or so; but I made a
huge error - was running low on HDD space and erased my last XP backup (in
February). I have thousands of messages in "Windows Mail" that I foolishly
"converted" from OE (in many folders).

Microsoft might start to address problems one of these days; who authorized
release of an OS with such stupidities as the inability to mark newsgroup
messages (headers) read without locking the computer, often, until it's
done, and it takes way too long? Or moving large amounts of files and
folders and throwing up (!) the brilliant dialog "calculating time
remaining" which it doesn't, and for that matter the brilliantly animated
(big deal) progress bar has no basis in real time or anything else,
evidently... Then there are the drivers, and I could go on. I will go on -
in a year or so.

Yes, I want to convert Windows Mail back to Outlook Express. Not possible,
as far as I can tell, don't want to dual boot just to check email (ugh).



Thanks - Bill Halvorsen
 
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