On bootup, get "SDRAM Dimm 1" and then computer stops

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The computer was working fine last night when I went to bed. When I got up
this morning I used a can of air on the inside to clean it out. I waited
about 10 minutes then powered up. Right past the bios screen I get this:

SDRAM Dimm at 1

and then computer won't proceed any further. I bought new memory to check
it, but if I put anything in Dimm 1, I get the same problem. If I put the
module in Dimm 2, no problem and the computer boots. The problem is with
only 1 slot, I got 256mb worth of memory. I cannot live with that! With XP
and my virus program the thing runs like my old 486pc.

I have spent alot of time on this old MOBO and several people here have
helped me. Is there anything I can do or try that I might not have thought
of before I chunk this MOBO and salvage the internal parts?
 
Xu said:
The computer was working fine last night when I went to bed. When I got up
this morning I used a can of air on the inside to clean it out. I waited
about 10 minutes then powered up. Right past the bios screen I get this:

SDRAM Dimm at 1

and then computer won't proceed any further. I bought new memory to check
it, but if I put anything in Dimm 1, I get the same problem. If I put the
module in Dimm 2, no problem and the computer boots. The problem is with
only 1 slot, I got 256mb worth of memory. I cannot live with that! With XP
and my virus program the thing runs like my old 486pc.

I have spent alot of time on this old MOBO and several people here have
helped me. Is there anything I can do or try that I might not have thought
of before I chunk this MOBO and salvage the internal parts?

You say you used canned air. Use a flashlight to check the
slot(s). You most likely got dirt in there. One should never
use pressurized air to clean out a very dirty system because the
dirt can get into the expansion slots as well and render them
useless. Clean everything with a fine small sized paint brush
with non-static bristles such as horse-hair.

--
"ACK",
Bill D.
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" Now just look..... they're burning the `Porta-Potties' "
........ OPUS
 
You are talking about the dimm slot and not the pci slots aren't you?

The can of air could have just been a coincidence though and the slots had
the ram in them, so I don't see how I could have pushed dirt into the slots
with the ram was already inside them. I will take out the ram and blow some
air into the slot though to see if that helps. Thanks.
 
Xu said:
You are talking about the dimm slot and not the pci slots aren't you?

The can of air could have just been a coincidence though and the slots had
the ram in them, so I don't see how I could have pushed dirt into the slots
with the ram was already inside them. I will take out the ram and blow some
air into the slot though to see if that helps. Thanks.


:-) Normally the last thing fixed is what causes the trouble.
Another thin you can do is use a small soft eraser to clean the
RAM slots. Just make sure you clean out any residue.

--
"ACK",
Bill D.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
" Now just look..... they're burning the `Porta-Potties' "
........ OPUS
 
Xu said:
The computer was working fine last night when I went to bed. When I got up
this morning I used a can of air on the inside to clean it out. I waited
about 10 minutes then powered up. Right past the bios screen I get this:

SDRAM Dimm at 1

and then computer won't proceed any further. I bought new memory to check
it, but if I put anything in Dimm 1, I get the same problem. If I put the
module in Dimm 2, no problem and the computer boots. The problem is with
only 1 slot, I got 256mb worth of memory. I cannot live with that! With XP
and my virus program the thing runs like my old 486pc.

I have spent alot of time on this old MOBO and several people here have
helped me. Is there anything I can do or try that I might not have thought
of before I chunk this MOBO and salvage the internal parts?

::sigh:: If you need permission to get new parts, you have my permission.
 
Xu said:
The can of air could have just been a coincidence though and the slots had
the ram in them, so I don't see how I could have pushed dirt into the slots
with the ram was already inside them.


Nor do I.
 
"Xu" said:
The computer was working fine last night when I went to bed. When I got up
this morning I used a can of air on the inside to clean it out. I waited
about 10 minutes then powered up. Right past the bios screen I get this:

SDRAM Dimm at 1

and then computer won't proceed any further. I bought new memory to check
it, but if I put anything in Dimm 1, I get the same problem. If I put the
module in Dimm 2, no problem and the computer boots. The problem is with
only 1 slot, I got 256mb worth of memory. I cannot live with that! With XP
and my virus program the thing runs like my old 486pc.

I have spent alot of time on this old MOBO and several people here have
helped me. Is there anything I can do or try that I might not have thought
of before I chunk this MOBO and salvage the internal parts?

In my opinion, both canned compressed air and vacuum cleaners
inside a computer are a bad idea. High velocity air can create
static electricity, and that could be what cooked the DIMM slot.
While carrying out such a cleaning procedure, it might be
better to leave all socketed components in place, so that the
dirt doesn't lodge easily at the bottom of the connectors.

Try inserting and removing the good DIMM in the bad slot. Repeat
about five times or so. If there is dirt in the socket, then
the friction may be enough to clean it. I do not recommend the
use of erasers, as a friction cleaning device, nor the use of
solvents which can gum up the works even worst than they are
now. (Also, when adding or removing components from the computer,
at least make sure the switch on the back of the computer is off.
My personal preference is to unplug the computer, as there is no
uncertainty about stray power in a DIMM slot when you do that.
You don't want +5VSB still running in the computer, when adding
or pulling components. An antistatic wrist strap that brings your
body to the same potential as the chassis is a good idea, to
reduce static discharge.)

This could be a control signal failure of some sort. The fact
that the other DIMM works, means the bussed data and address
signals are still working.

Clearing the CMOS is another option, to be tried if the insertion
and removal cycles didn't improve matters. You should clear the
CMOS with the power cord unplugged, so there is no chance that
+5VSB is still present in the computer. (Clearing CMOS on some
motherboards, while +5VSB is present, causes a specific diode on
the board to get burned, and rather than track which motherboards
have that "feature", it is best to just unplug the computer.)

If your computer has no obvious CLRTC jumper or the like, you
can also pop out the CMOS battery. With absolutely no power
source present in the computer, the CMOS RAM block inside the
Southbridge will eventually drain, and data contents will be
reset. Leave it for an hour and have a meal while it drains :-)
The RTC clock should reset to 1970 or so, if the procedure
worked.

If there is still no improvement, then it is time to shop for
a replacement. I tried a search for Nforce2 boards on Newegg,
but the reviews on the remaining brands are a bit discouraging.
I see an Asus A7N8X-X single channel Nforce2 motherboard here,
and maybe there will be less risk of a DOA with one of those.
There are also some other brands of motherboards that have
Nforce2 chipsets on them that have a good reputation.

A7N8X-X - Single channel Nforce2 motherboard.
(A7N8X-E would be dual channel...)
http://www.a2zcomp.com/buy.asp?REF=1&SKU=295159

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...x?type=1&name=A7N8X-X&SLanguage=en-us&cache=1

To learn more about Nforce2 boards, go here and search for
Nforce2 motherboard (all terms).

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/search.php

Note that the Asus S462 motherboards power the processor from
+5V. Your power supply should have a 5V@20A rating on the label
as a minimum, and depending on whether you use a high end video
card, 5V@25A gives a bit more margin. Many other makers of
S462 boards have a ATX12V 2x2 power connector on their motherboards,
which means that 5 or 6 amps of +12V would be the source of the
processor power instead. If you do get the A7N8X-X or an A7N8X-E
(if you can find one), then check the power supply for at least
20 amps on +5V.

For RAM, get 1x512 or 2x512, like this stuff for $58 a stick.
I've used these and had zero problems when used with an Intel
processor board and with my AMD Nforce2 board. These sticks
are fast enough, that they will work well with any processor
upgrade you can find in the future. They would also be good
candidates for a S754 or S939 motherboard, if you decide
to try one of those instead. Since the price on these is
reasonable, there is no sense buying a lower spec memory,
only to have to replace it later.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16820146546

Speaking in very general terms, I don't recommend microATX
boards, where you would be using the built-in graphics.
MicroATX are OK if you use a separate video card, but they
tend to have interactions between using PC3200 RAM and the
build-in graphics at the same time (electrical noise).
MicroATX boards also tend to have crappy BIOS, that lack
control settings - download the user manual for any board
you plan to buy and read the BIOS section, to see if this
is going to be a problem.

As with any motherboard, check the reviews on Newegg, if the
motherboard is sold there, and check Google for feedback
as well.

HTH,
Paul
 
Paul said:
In my opinion, both canned compressed air and vacuum cleaners
inside a computer are a bad idea. High velocity air can create
static electricity

::gulp:: Really?
 
Thanks again Paul. I had taken nothing out of the slots when I used the air,
already tried inserting and removing several times and with other ram
modules, I always unplug the computer from the wall and touch my hand to the
metal part of the psu before I do anything inside the computer, already
removed the cmos battery and put it back inso it looks like I will have to
get a new motherboard.

I am checking out the links you sent me for the mobo.

I am wondering if the newer mobo's will work with my old amd (k7) 1.3ghz
processor? That would save me some money until I can get a newer processor.
I would hate to buy a newer case, but I am thinking I probably should. I
already have several types of rams left over from previous computers (168
pins and 180 pins) so I am thinking all I would have to buy is the mobo and
case.
 
Paul, the link to that mobo you sent me looks pretty good. I have to think
about this though. I can justify spending $75 or so on a mobo. I think I
better get one with onboard video though. My brother has a computer with an
Asus mobo 478 socket with a P4 1.8 processor. There is also an Geforce agp
card already in it too. I set that computer up for him and just asked for it
back in exchange for this older one you and I are discussing. He only uses
the internet and does nothing else with the computer, so I think I will look
for a socket A mobo with onboard video and sound so I can exchange computers
with my brother.

Thanks for all your help. When I find a mobo I am thinking about, I will
post back here to get your feedback.
 
that program 'the myth busters' took a can of air - booted the
computer...and ran diagnostics while blowing the entire contents...yes the
freezing chemical and all..all over the the inside of the open box. The P4
never missed a beat..I totally thought it was going to fry. HOWEVER i don't
recommend duplicating that, but cleaning (while using your head) no problem,
I have never had bad experiences.
 
JAD said:
that program 'the myth busters' took a can of air - booted the
computer...and ran diagnostics while blowing the entire contents...yes the
freezing chemical and all..all over the the inside of the open box. The P4
never missed a beat..I totally thought it was going to fry.

LOL! I love those guys. :)
 
Personally, I never use canned, compressed air to clean any PC because the
cans do contain moisture. I've seen more than a few PCs damaged by it. It is
possible that a small amount of moisture remained even after your 10 minute
wait.


Xu said:
The can of air could have just been a coincidence though and the slots had
the ram in them, so I don't see how I could have pushed dirt into the
slots
with the ram was already inside them.


Nor do I.
 
that program 'the myth busters' took a can of air - booted the
computer...and ran diagnostics while blowing the entire contents...yes the
freezing chemical and all..all over the the inside of the open box. The P4
never missed a beat..I totally thought it was going to fry. HOWEVER i don't
recommend duplicating that, but cleaning (while using your head) no problem,
I have never had bad experiences.

All I can tell you guys, is the "ESD police" in my lab said
"no compressed air". And there have been posts from people
who have ruined their computers by using a vacuum cleaner.

I had trouble finding any interesting articles on static
electricity, until I tried "triboelectric" as a search
term.

http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/2001/janfeb/mrstatic.html

That article says:

"The charging observed with ordinary compressed air is caused
by liquid or solid impurities of the gas impinging on the
target and, therefore, is a case of dust charging rather
than gas charging."

If you could guarantee that no dust was present where the
compressed material was used, then it would be static
free. But, of course, you are cleaning up a dusty mess...

Paul
 
"Xu" said:
Oops, I just noticed it said nothing about nforce2.

The manual for that Biostar board, doesn't have a BIOS description
section in it. That would be enough to stop me from buying it...

Here is another one you could check out. Asus A7V400-MX.
Handles up to FSB400. But memory only goes as fast as DDR333.
AFAIK, you can plug PC3200 in there if you want, and then set
the memory clock to 166MHz (DDR333). Faster memory is backward
compatible with the slower clock rates. Now, with your
Athlon 1300 and its FSB200, it is possible you will only
be offered 133MHz for the memory clock - I don't really
know what ratios that chipset would support between
FSB and MEM busses.

The comments here seem to be positive. Supposed to be in
stock again on Jan.4/06.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813131509

The supported CPU types are listed here:
http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...type=1&name=A7V400-MX&SLanguage=en-us&cache=1

The user manual:
http://www.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socka/km400a/a7v400-mx/e1817_a7v400-mx.pdf

This is not an overclocker board - CPU clock speed is set with
a DIP switch. There is no ATX12V power connector, so the CPU
is powered by +5V. Roughly 20A on the +5V output of your
ATX supply should handle it.

I think you could still use a board like this with your new
6600 video board, and your old processor. You'll need to buy
some DDR memory for the board, in order to use it. It will
accept up to 2x1GB DIMMs, but 512MB modules are more common.
(If buying 1GB modules, you should get the ones with 64Mx8
chips on them - the cheaper non-compliant 1GB modules
present more of a load to the memory bus.)

And then the kids can have it.

Paul
 
You're up late. Don't you sleep? You are right about the 133MHz for the
memory clock, but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care about the lack of
manual either because that biostar mobo is pretty simple. However, I have
had 2 asus boards and liked them alot. I know Asus is a good company. I will
buy this Asusa7v400 when it comes back in stock.

The only thing bothering me is that my Athlon is the thunderbird, and I see
nothing about that. I think it will still work though.

Thanks for all your help.
 
You're up late. Don't you sleep? You are right about the 133MHz for the
memory clock, but that doesn't matter to me. I don't care about the lack of
manual either because that biostar mobo is pretty simple. However, I have
had 2 asus boards and liked them alot. I know Asus is a good company. I will
buy this Asusa7v400 when it comes back in stock.

The only thing bothering me is that my Athlon is the thunderbird, and I see
nothing about that. I think it will still work though.

Thanks for all your help.
 
:-) Normally the last thing fixed is what causes the trouble.
Another thin you can do is use a small soft eraser to clean the
RAM slots. Just make sure you clean out any residue.


Do NOT use a small eraser to clean (almost any) modern PC
contacts as they are all very thinly gold plated. It can
only make things worse than using a proper solvent. Sure,
it can help for the short term but then the contacts are
permanently damanged and can only be worse over time than if
properly cleaned instead.
 
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