'Old Files' shown in disk cleanup area

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Hello..

Last night I had to re-install windows xp home
edition..drat..drat..I guess I messed up my computer when
I tried installing a different boot screen. My problem
now is related to what's being talked about in here in
the disk clean up area. It's concerning the amount of
additional space that I could gain by " compressing old
files " I don't know what old files are being referred to
there. I thought when I re-installed the operating
system, that everything was wiped out and I started fresh
all over again. Of course that's where the problem might
occur, the operating came pre-installed on my computer,
so all I have are the supplied 'recovery disks' that were
shipped with it. It lets me restore my system back to the
starting state at least. I know when I use the disks,
that it use the ghost software by symantec to re-install.
I'm thinkinking if possible that a 'real' formatting of
the hard drive might be better. I do get a warning when I
use the recvery disks that says 'WARNING..All data will
be lost, do I want to continue. Is there any way to
actually delete the 'old files' without having to
compress them..why would I need to save them ? Thanks
 
Old files are ones that have not been accessed or modified in quite some time. Compressing these files could result in certain applications, or even portions of the operating system to not work. Its best to leave this option unchecked. You can also remove the option from Disk Cleanup completely. See www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm, Line 48, Right column, Disk Cleanup - Compress Old Files Freezes.

See the instructions at the top of the page for the use of REG files.
 
Doug,
Thanks for trying to answer my question. I'm thinking
that when I had to restore my os, that the 'old files'
that are being shown in the disk cleanup area are
leftover files from the original installation of windows.
Should I format my hard drive completely, ( with all
0's ) and start over ? Would that eliminate all old files
being shown ? By the way..if I were to decide to compress
the old files, where would they be stored on my system ?
Thanks for your time and advice.
David W.
-----Original Message-----
Old files are ones that have not been accessed or
modified in quite some time. Compressing these files
could result in certain applications, or even portions of
the operating system to not work. Its best to leave this
option unchecked. You can also remove the option from
Disk Cleanup completely. See www.kellys-korner-
xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm, Line 48, Right column, Disk
Cleanup - Compress Old Files Freezes.
See the instructions at the top of the page for the use of REG files.

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
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"David" <[email protected]> wrote in
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No. You do not need to format. There are a number of files that may never be accessed, or modified, with any operating system installation. You're best to just leave them alone!
 
Doug,
So I don't need to format my hard drive, so should I
compress the 'old files'that are talked about in disk
cleanup ? Right now it shows a pretty large sizable
amount of space that I could gain. I had mentioned in my
last post about if one does compress the old files in
disk cleanup, where are they stored ? Windows does have
room for improvement.Thanks..
-----Original Message-----
No. You do not need to format. There are a number of
files that may never be accessed, or modified, with any
operating system installation. You're best to just
leave them alone!
--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
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"David" <[email protected]> wrote in
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If you compress the old files, they're simply compressed using the NTFS file systems built-in compression. This can result in a bit slower computer, if you do need to access the files at a later date, as they have to be uncompressed. It is generally pretty transparent to the user. However, there may be some operating system files that cannot be accessed in a compressed state, particularly at boot up.

If you really need to free up disk space, then this can be a viable option.

http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,103781,pg,4,00.asp
 
Doug,
That answer makes some sense, I just can't understand why
the system has to 'hang on' to the old files. Why would
it need any, after re-loading the operating system. I
guess that's why you are a MS-MVP. Thanks..Have a great
week !
-----Original Message-----
If you compress the old files, they're simply compressed
using the NTFS file systems built-in compression. This
can result in a bit slower computer, if you do need to
access the files at a later date, as they have to be
uncompressed. It is generally pretty transparent to the
user. However, there may be some operating system files
that cannot be accessed in a compressed state,
particularly at boot up.
If you really need to free up disk space, then this can be a viable option.

http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,103781,pg,4,00 ..asp

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
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"David" <[email protected]> wrote in
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If you do a complete format and reinstall, these files would be gone, wiped out. If you do an over the top install, they would be overwritten.
 
Doug,
I'll try and make this my last question on this topic,
you say if I do a complete format that all of the 'old
files' would be gone. I'm thinking that's what I should
have done to start with. Really..start FRESH and NEW all
over again. As my computer came pre-loaded with the os
already installed, and all I have available to me are the
recovery disks, can I still safely do a complete format
and safely use my 2 recovery disks ? If that's possible,
PLEASE explain the truly correct way to properly, and
COMPLETELY format my hard drive , so it will be free of
all 'old files'. I think I remember that I have to go to
a command prompt and tell it correctly what to do. I've
seen here on the microsoft download site that I can
obtain the boot disks for windows xp home edition sp1.
And I do have a cd-writer installed on my system. Thanks
again SO much for your patience and valuable time.
David W.
-----Original Message-----
If you do a complete format and reinstall, these files
would be gone, wiped out. If you do an over the top
install, they would be overwritten.
--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP Home and XP Pro
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
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"David" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
 
dave...you shouldn't be so paranoic about getting rid from `old files`.
These aren't the files you think they are.
Let them be ;)
 
Andrew,
So would I be better off to just compress the 'old
files' ? I could always export the branch where they are
shown in disk cleanup, so they wouldn't show anymore. I'm
just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks
 
naah.
compress old files means exactly the following:
NTFS file system has an inbuilt feature that it can store files on disk in
the compressed state, and decompress them on the fly, invisibly to the user.
No doubt this operation utilizes some CPU power, thus decreasing system
performance.
By saying `old files` windows referrs to those files (perhaps even system
files) that haven't been used for a long time. Deleting these files is not a
solution - they might be needed for system in the future, so cleanup wizard
just offers you to compress them. Usually this is not a good way to do
For best system performance you should untick `compress old files`.
For max free space check this option.
If you experience problems running cleanup wizard with `compress old files`
checked, read.
www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 48, Right column, Disk Cleanup - Compress Old Files Freezes.


Sorry for my english :(
 
Andrew,
I see nothing wrong at all with your english, yours is
probably better than mine..Ha Ha I know what you are
reffering to in your last post, as I remember..it's
something to do with exporting that value ( volume
cache ) in the registry. That way, the compress 'old
files' doesn't show up anymore. I got a lot done today..I
now have a set of windows xp sp1 boot disks on floppies
(6). I'm trying to learn how to write an ISO image. I'd
like take the information on the floppies and make a
bootable cd . I think before all this is over..I'll
format my hard drive completely, making it blank and
start from scratch. I wish that I had a 'real' windows xp
home edition sp1 cd, instead of the set of recovery cd's
that I have. I guess that's what happens when you buy a
new computer with an os pre-installed. By the way..all of
my problems started when I tried to install a different
boot screen besides the original windows xp one. I
probably messed something up in the boot.ini area. I got
the different boot screen to load a couple of times, then
it stopped, and I saw flashes of what I call the blue
screen of death flash. That's when I just stuck in my
recovery cd's and re-loaded my software. I'm also trying
to figure out hout to use the bartpe software, it looks
interesting. You really don't know how thankful for the
help I get in here. If I was as smart as you and kelly
p., I'd be helping a lot of people in here. Actually,
I've seen several questions that I could answer, but
didn't know if I should. Do you ever use any of the
instant messenger services, if so we could chat online
sometime. Well, I've probably bored you to death by
now..so I guess I'll send this..Thanks again..
David W...Florida-U.S.A.
 
yeah, i do use IM, but i won't give the address in the newsgroup. if you
post ur email, i'll contact you ;)

if you need extra help in any MS issues - post them up here ;)
 
Andrew,
I tried sending you a e-mail message to this address,
(e-mail address removed) , but it was returned to me saying that it
couldn't be delivered. I'm like you..it pays to me
careful posting personal stuff in public view. I normally
use yahoo as my main e-mail source, but I do have other
sources. In my message to you I said this:
Hi Andrew,
I don't know if you will get this properly or not, but
I thought I'd give it a try. I'm the david that you
have been talking to about 'old files in disk cleanup'
message subject. I really didn't want to post my
e-mail address in the newsgroup, for various reasons.
I do thank you for your insight and suggestions.
Windows does have its quirks, but overall, it's still
a good operating system. I'm trying to learn how to
burn a bootable cd. I guess the proper software does
make a big difference. Have you ever checked out this
site ? http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ There's some great
information on it about building a bootable cd. Also,
I ve downloaded and installed this software:
http://www.demosten.com/cdrfe/, it looks like it's
capable of doing what I want. I really like learning
new things. If you care to..please reply back to me.
David W.

p.s. I'm attaching one of the views of the function
pages contained in cdrfe, it looks like I could build
a 'bootable' cd there.
See what you think about setting up some way we could
send e-mail to each other. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
yeah, i do use IM, but i won't give the address in the newsgroup. if you
post ur email, i'll contact you ;)

if you need extra help in any MS issues - post them up here ;)



Andrew,
I see nothing wrong at all with your english, yours is
probably better than mine..Ha Ha I know what you are
reffering to in your last post, as I remember..it's
something to do with exporting that value ( volume
cache ) in the registry. That way, the compress 'old
files' doesn't show up anymore. I got a lot done today..I
now have a set of windows xp sp1 boot disks on floppies
(6). I'm trying to learn how to write an ISO image. I'd
like take the information on the floppies and make a
bootable cd . I think before all this is over..I'll
format my hard drive completely, making it blank and
start from scratch. I wish that I had a 'real' windows xp
home edition sp1 cd, instead of the set of recovery cd's
that I have. I guess that's what happens when you buy a
new computer with an os pre-installed. By the way..all of
my problems started when I tried to install a different
boot screen besides the original windows xp one. I
probably messed something up in the boot.ini area. I got
the different boot screen to load a couple of times, then
it stopped, and I saw flashes of what I call the blue
screen of death flash. That's when I just stuck in my
recovery cd's and re-loaded my software. I'm also trying
to figure out hout to use the bartpe software, it looks
interesting. You really don't know how thankful for the
help I get in here. If I was as smart as you and kelly
p., I'd be helping a lot of people in here. Actually,
I've seen several questions that I could answer, but
didn't know if I should. Do you ever use any of the
instant messenger services, if so we could chat online
sometime. Well, I've probably bored you to death by
now..so I guess I'll send this..Thanks again..
David W...Florida-U.S.A.
-----Original Message-----
naah.
compress old files means exactly the following:
NTFS file system has an inbuilt feature that it can store files on disk in
the compressed state, and decompress them on the fly, invisibly to the user.
No doubt this operation utilizes some CPU power, thus decreasing system
performance.
By saying `old files` windows referrs to those files (perhaps even system
files) that haven't been used for a long time.
Deleting
these files is not a
solution - they might be needed for system in the future, so cleanup wizard
just offers you to compress them. Usually this is not
a
good way to do
For best system performance you should untick
`compress
old files`.
For max free space check this option.
If you experience problems running cleanup wizard with `compress old files`
checked, read.
www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 48, Right column, Disk Cleanup - Compress Old
Files
Freezes.
Sorry for my english :(


Andrew,
So would I be better off to just compress the 'old
files' ? I could always export the branch where they are
shown in disk cleanup, so they wouldn't show
anymore.
I'm
just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
dave...you shouldn't be so paranoic about getting rid
from `old files`.
These aren't the files you think they are.
Let them be ;)

message
Doug,
I'll try and make this my last question on this topic,
you say if I do a complete format that all of the 'old
files' would be gone. I'm thinking that's what I should
have done to start with. Really..start FRESH and NEW
all
over again. As my computer came pre-loaded with
the
os
already installed, and all I have available to me are
the
recovery disks, can I still safely do a complete format
and safely use my 2 recovery disks ? If that's
possible,
PLEASE explain the truly correct way to properly, and
COMPLETELY format my hard drive , so it will be free of
all 'old files'. I think I remember that I have
to
go
to
a command prompt and tell it correctly what to
do.
I've
seen here on the microsoft download site that I can
obtain the boot disks for windows xp home edition sp1.
And I do have a cd-writer installed on my system.
Thanks
again SO much for your patience and valuable time.
David W.
-----Original Message-----
If you do a complete format and reinstall, these files
would be gone, wiped out. If you do an over the top
install, they would be overwritten.
and
XP
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
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message [email protected]...
Doug,
That answer makes some sense, I just can't
understand
why
the system has to 'hang on' to the old files. Why
would
it need any, after re-loading the operating system.
I
guess that's why you are a MS-MVP. Thanks..Have a
great
week !
-----Original Message-----
If you compress the old files, they're simply
compressed
using the NTFS file systems built-in compression.
This
can result in a bit slower computer, if you do need
to
access the files at a later date, as they have to be
uncompressed. It is generally pretty transparent
to
the
user. However, there may be some operating system
files
that cannot be accessed in a compressed state,
particularly at boot up.

If you really need to free up disk space,
then
this
can
be a viable option.
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,103781,pg,4,00
Home
and
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
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Doug,
So I don't need to format my hard drive, so
should
I
compress the 'old files'that are talked
about
in
disk
cleanup ? Right now it shows a pretty large
sizable
amount of space that I could gain. I had
mentioned
in
my
last post about if one does compress the old
files
in
disk cleanup, where are they stored ? Windows
does
have
room for improvement.Thanks..
-----Original Message-----
No. You do not need to format. There are a
number
of
files that may never be accessed, or modified,
with
any
operating system installation. You're
best
to
just
leave them alone!

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart
Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm
--------------------------------
Please reply only to the newsgroup so all may
benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

"David"
wrote
in
message [email protected]...
Doug,
Thanks for trying to answer my question. I'm
thinking
that when I had to restore my os, that
the 'old
files'
that are being shown in the disk cleanup area
are
leftover files from the original installation
of
windows.
Should I format my hard drive completely, (
with
all
0's ) and start over ? Would that eliminate
all
old
files
being shown ? By the way..if I were to decide
to
compress
the old files, where would they be
stored
on
my
system ?
Thanks for your time and advice.
David W.
-----Original Message-----
Old files are ones that have not been
accessed
or
modified in quite some time. Compressing
these
files
could result in certain applications, or even
portions
of
the operating system to not work. Its best to
leave
this
option unchecked. You can also remove the
option
from
Disk Cleanup completely. See www.kellys-
korner-
xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm, Line 48, Right column,
Disk
Cleanup - Compress Old Files Freezes.

See the instructions at the top of the page
for
the
use
of REG files.

--
Doug Knox, MS-MVP Windows XP/ Windows Smart
Display
Win 95/98/Me/XP Tweaks and Fixes
http://www.dougknox.com
--------------------------------
Per user Group Policy Restrictions for XP
Home
and
XP
Pro
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm all
may
benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

"David"
wrote
in
message [email protected]...
Hello..

Last night I had to re-install
windows
xp
home
edition..drat..drat..I guess I messed up my
computer
when
I tried installing a different boot screen.
My
problem
now is related to what's being talked about
in
here
in
the disk clean up area. It's
concerning
the
amount
of
additional space that I could gain by "
compressing
old
files " I don't know what old files are
being
referred
to
there. I thought when I re-installed the
operating
system, that everything was wiped out and I
started
fresh
all over again. Of course that's
where
the
problem
might
occur, the operating came pre-
installed
on
my
computer,
so all I have are the supplied 'recovery
disks'
that
were
shipped with it. It lets me restore my
system
back
to
the
starting state at least. I know when
I
use
the
disks,
that it use the ghost software by symantec
to
re-
install.
I'm thinkinking if possible that a 'real'
formatting
of
the hard drive might be better. I do get a
warning
when I
use the recvery disks that
says 'WARNING..All
data
will
be lost, do I want to continue. Is there
any
way
to
actually delete the 'old files' without
having
to
compress them..why would I need to save
them ?
Thanks

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