Office 2003 RTM

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Kevin Spencer

Hey everyone,

Microsoft announced today that Office 2003 has been RTM'd (Released to
Manufacturers). That means, of course, that FrontPage 2003 has been RTM'd!

:)

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
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LOL!

So am I.. I'm just now using the Database features. And running into snags
with it.

Oh yeah, also learning ASP.NET (dropped all my asp tutorials and books) and
XML as well. I'm still light-years behind, and feel that I'll never get
close to catching up.

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If you use FrontPage 2003 to do Database connectivity, you can use ASP.Net
as an option. I only mention this because you said that you were learning
ASP.Net. Using FrontPage 2003's databaase tools for developing ASP.Net might
give you some working examples you can play with. And it uses NO WebBots to
create ASP.Net database applications, so you can tweak the code to your
heart's content!

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Neither a follower nor a lender be.
 
True. I don't use FrontPage 2003 to do ASP.Net. HOWEVER, I do use it to
design the HTML that goes into the ASP.Net pages I develop, as VS.Net is
very weak in that area. Basically, I do the HTML in FrontPage, then paste it
into an ASP.Net page in VS.Net. Then I can right-click form fields and make
them run as server controls, add WebControls, UserControls, etc., and write
the back end business logic in the CodeBehind.

ASP.Net is a very high-powered technology, and in many ways even more
difficult to develop than Windows Forms or other executables, due to the
stateless nature of HTTP, which ASP.Net leaps over in some very creative
ways. However, the "leaping" makes it pretty darned complex, and anyone
developing a serious ASP.Net app would do well to use VS.Net, with it's
powerful debugging capabilities.

My dream is that one day Microsoft would find a way to integrate FrontPage's
web management and HTML development capabilities directly into VS.Net.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Neither a follower nor a lender be.
 
I do exactly the same thing! Especially with tables. Table editing just
plain sucks in VS.NET. However, FrontPage and VS.NET play very well
together.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post. You are exactly right about the
nature of ASP.NET. In trying to make Windows developers more comfortable
with ASP.NET, it has become trickier and more difficult to troubleshoot.

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Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
Add-ins for FrontPage 2000-2003
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Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
 
VB or C#.

Hey Guys,

If you don't mind, as my programming skills are elementary and old,
(Basic, Hypercard and some C++ and JS) Where should I start to get a good
handle for the uses of ASP.NET. I just finished the Hello World part of
ASP.NET on asp.com's tutorial and reading Kevin's site. Can you suggest
places or books or programs to use to help me with ASP.NET and VB or C#. I'm
a quick study and am so very excited to learn this.

Oh. What are your thoughts on C# and VB for ASP.NET. I read on asp.net or on
Kevin's site that C# works/compiles/runs (take your pick) faster with
asp.net than VB code. This tell's me to learn C# rather than VB. Your
thoughts on this matter?


(Btw, Kevin, on your site, particularly on your home page, is the code that
I see, lightly in the background, part of the background, or do you have a
transparent fade or something, for your coloured background?) I

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I have to disagree with Kevin, assuming that's what he said. Both VB.NET
and C# are going to give you equivalent performance. When you compile a
..NET assembly, it is compiled into MSIL (Microsoft Intermediate Language).
MSIL looks EXACTLY the same no matter what language was used to write the
assembly. That MSIL is then JIT compiled (when the page is browsed) by
ASP.NET and executed by the CLR (Common Language Runtime) on the Web server.
Performance between the two will be identical.

As far as learning, that's hard to say. I learned it out of necessity by
just jumping into it. I've written a ton of ASP.NET code (and other .NET
code) and all of it learned via the school of hard knocks.

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Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
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http://www.jimcoaddins.com
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Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
 
Jim,

You ought to know better than that! I never said it. I've replied to Jm with
my explanation regarding what language to learn. And of course, we are in
agreement on that point as well! :)

BTW, there is a slight but insignificant difference in the MSIL that is
compiled from the 2 languages. Not that it matters.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Neither a follower nor a lender be.
 
There are times when you may need to use pointers. In those cases, C# is
your only choice. You cannot use pointers in VB.NET. Other than that, no
preference from me although there are some differences in the languages
themselves. Once you've compiled to MSIL, you won't get any advantage one
over the other. The MSIL is essentially identical.

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Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
Add-ins for FrontPage 2000-2003
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===============================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
 
That's why I said "assuming he said that." I didn't think you had. :)

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Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
Add-ins for FrontPage 2000-2003
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===============================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
 
Yes, I did say that you can use unmanaged C code with C#. The .Net SDK talks
about pointers in C#, but as an unmanaged data type. I suspect we're
splitting a few hairs here. I think the .Net SDK includes pointers in the C#
specification because of the "superset" concept of the language. Don't know
for sure. In any case, I don't think we're really in any disagreement.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
http://www.takempis.com
Neither a follower nor a lender be.
 
We're not at all. We're talking in parallel. This isn't a debate. It's
idle chit chat. :)

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Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
Add-ins for FrontPage 2000-2003
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===============================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
 
I didn't mean to imply that Kevin's site said that. Sorry.

I meant to state that I read somewhere, I know I have, I couldn't dream that
up. But, I've been reading a lot online, from Kevin's site, to which I
really like reading, then http://www.asp.net/Tutorials/quickstart.aspx,
http://www.wintellect.com/resources/tutorials/menu.aspx and another one, to
which I can't remember, but it was hard to read due to colours and graphics.
I remember thinking, that I know a little VB and that it sucked that I would
have to learn C#, thinking that what I read was true. I just scoured the
asp.net/tut/qs area, thinking for sure that's where I read it, but, I'm
unable to find it.

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Thanks for the download. I'm starting to read it. (I have to commit to
finishing one thing before I start another, I've probably started about 8
different reads in the last 3 weeks, and have yet to finish one! LOL)

I remember creating a BBS on my IBM 133, with a monochrome monitor and I'm
thinking this was before 56k modem was out. Wow, what a flood of memories
when you said BBS.

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