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Hello:

Has anyone been to this website www.getsoftnow.biz/cdc/index.php They
offer OEM version sotware at very cheap prices. I was just wondering
what the opinion off some of the people in this group thought. Is it
warez or is this on the up and up?

Thanks!
 
Dan Rather said:
Hello:

Has anyone been to this website www.getsoftnow.biz/cdc/index.php They
offer OEM version sotware at very cheap prices. I was just wondering
what the opinion off some of the people in this group thought. Is it
warez or is this on the up and up?

Thanks!

FAQ say the software is shipped from Eastern Europe and could take up to 6
weeks for delivery. If it walks like a Duck....etc
 
Dan Rather said:
Hello:

Has anyone been to this website www.getsoftnow.biz/cdc/index.php They
offer OEM version sotware at very cheap prices. I was just wondering
what the opinion off some of the people in this group thought. Is it
warez or is this on the up and up?

Thanks!

Went to a similar site and posted a question about the legitimacy of the
software in their forum. They explained that they are selling "back-ups" to
software. They trust your honesty and you are not supposed to use it as
original. What???? I suppose that this is how they pretend that they are
not selling pirated software. My opinion is that it's a pirate operation
using a nuanced semantic dodge. If you want pirated software (I hope you
don't), go to a warez newsgroup. JG
 
JeffG said:
Went to a similar site and posted a question about the legitimacy of
the software in their forum. They explained that they are selling
"back-ups" to software. They trust your honesty and you are not
supposed to use it as original. What???? I suppose that this is how
they pretend that they are not selling pirated software. My opinion
is that it's a pirate operation using a nuanced semantic dodge. If
you want pirated software (I hope you don't), go to a warez
newsgroup. JG

Nice scam.
To the exact letter of the law, I gues it could be a legimit business,
though it is stretching this legal thing so much, it wouldn't hold in any
West European or (even) US court, I guess.

The problem is on the side of the purchaser: you may not use the software,
as they indeed told JeffG. After all the purchaser does not have a licence
(and therefore may not use it).

Look at the site: They will never ever tell you they are selling licences,
only OEM products (those are, after selfmade copies, the cheapest to obtain.
If you have a Microsoft licence, you can get a cd for as cheap as $ 10 in
europe (just paying cd and handling costs)

The bottem line:

They sell cd's with software, but not the required licence to use this
software
$10 purchase price, add some cost of stamps, handling and other trival
stuff, and then selling it for $50 sales or more.

On the other hand, I sometimes hope thess kinds of scam will awake those big
software manufaturers to wake up and reduce the prices fot their stuff,
especialy for private users. Afterall, if you know the prices of the
educational licences, you cant help to get a slight, but very persistant
feeling of beeing F**ked by those companies.

MightyKitten
 
In MightyKitten posted:
On the other hand, I sometimes hope thess kinds of scam will awake
those big software manufaturers to wake up and reduce the prices fot
their stuff, especialy for private users. Afterall, if you know the
prices of the educational licences, you cant help to get a slight,
but very persistant feeling of beeing F**ked by those companies.

And who the hell are you to judge how much a manufacturer charges for
(and under what conditions) their product of services? Don't like it,
don't buy the product or service! What are you a socialist or
something?
Jobs are created, research & development is promoted, and growth and
expansion accelerated by the income from the sales of a manufacture's
products and services.

If MS (and the Gates Foundation) wants to promote, donate, or
otherwise provide a greater benefit to Education enterprises from
their endeavors, why is that any different then Ben & Jerry using
their ice cream products to benefit and promote the Environmental
wackos?

I think your "persistant feeling of beeing F**ked" comes from your
gene pool and/or your environmental/ governmental influences, not the
software vendors you encounter.

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Dan said:
Hello:

Has anyone been to this website www.getsoftnow.biz/cdc/index.php
They offer OEM version sotware at very cheap prices. I was just
wondering what the opinion off some of the people in this group
thought. Is it warez or is this on the up and up?

Don't know but consider this: a computer manufacturer contracts with
software companies to be able to include said software with their hardware.
I have no idea as to the exact financial details but with that OEM license
they pay much, much less than retail. Whatever they pay for the software is
added to the cost of hardware components, both are marked up and the
computer/software package is sold at a profit. Is there any reason why
hardware has to be included too?


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Dan Rather scribebat:
Has anyone been to this website www.getsoftnow.invalid
They offer OEM version sotware at very cheap prices.

As far as I know, they offer pirated software, aka warez. The OEM is
just a disguise to make people think it would be original software.

At least that is what the guys at Adobe told me when I reported a spam
mail promoting that site to them.

bye,

Onno
 
FYIS.org/estore said:
In MightyKitten posted:


And who the hell are you to judge how much a manufacturer charges for
(and under what conditions) their product of services? Don't like it,
don't buy the product or service! What are you a socialist or
something?
Jobs are created, research & development is promoted, and growth and
expansion accelerated by the income from the sales of a manufacture's
products and services.


I'm not someone who Microsoft and the likes care aboute while they think of
their prices. I just think that if they play it smart and lower prices for
private users, it will be profitable for both parties. Microsoft will sell
more licences, since most people will agree $50 - $75 is a good price for
their software and will pay up for the licences, instead of using kazaa or
the likes to download and burn the software.

I don't see myself as a socialist (or capitalist for that matter), but my
view to the world might indeed be more socialistic as yours. Fortunately,
there are a zillion shades of gray between black and white. I think everyone
is entitled to their whealt, but to do so in (and this might be a a huge
difference of opinion) respect for others.

And in all respect: Being allowed to use bussines licences at home (office
97) to get a larger market share, and then suddenly kill this agreement with
the next version is a great marketing trick, but shows very little respect
for people.

The investments in jobs, R&D and Reserves you speak off are the first to go
when a company makes less profit as previous year. I'm not talking about
companies having a loss or companies who break-even, no about having
somewhat less profit.

Microsoft and other companies are free to sell there software for whatever
price they think it is worth. I'm free to feel ripped of by this. And also,
I have the freedom to express these feelings. I also know I have the
freedom to choose any office package I wish. But this is only theoretical.
Pratically, OpenOffice can do only a part - a very large part, agreed, but
still only a part - of MS-office. Businesses and home users expect from me
to have it and support it. Therefore, buying a MS-Office wasn't a choice,
but a must. Since I'm using is for buiness purposes, I don't complain about
me having to buy it for this purpose. But when I still was an employee, I'd
realy thought of it as a big rip-off.

If MS (and the Gates Foundation) wants to promote, donate, or
otherwise provide a greater benefit to Education enterprises from
their endeavors, why is that any different then Ben & Jerry using
their ice cream products to benefit and promote the Environmental
wackos?

Who said "enviromentalists wacko's" are my idea of good money spend? I do
not realy know what kind of envirometnal groups Ben & Jerry's supports, but
it won't make my fondness for icream any greater or less. By the way, i'n
not complaining MS makes great deals for educational users, I'm complaining
the don't for private users. Not businissed. I have accept it - again still
a bit grumpy - about the prices they quote, but as a business, I think I
should pay up the price.


In my opinion, companies don't matter. People do. This is something most
gouvernments, including solicalist and capitalist countries seem to
recognise less and less. The way how things are established are becomming of
more importance as why these things have been established in the first
place. For example: at this moment there are lots of companies more worried
about how to handle a complaint than actually handling a complaint.

with this in mind, i take a look at those big companies:
most of them will try to make more profit at all costs: fireing people, cut
down quality of their products, as long as they just make more profit in
total. My simple question is why? If you do it for shareholders values,
chanses ary you will get a company that is build on air.

Therefore I think it would be more profitable for humanity (or at least a
large part) of it
I think your "persistant feeling of beeing F**ked" comes from your
gene pool and/or your environmental/ governmental influences, not the
software vendors you encounter.

If I didn't know any better, I'd expect you to be
a) a staff member of the current whitehouses
b) BillyBoy's second in command
c) As stereotypical American as I have ever seen.

hmmm... looking at your sig, i suspect answer a.
I guess we *do* have some political differences then. Alright a diffrent
shade of gray. If everyone had the same opinion as I had:
The world wouldn't be as much fun!
There wasn't enough chocolate in the world for us all.

MightyKitten
 
Thanks:

I don't mean to start an argument. I was just looking for opinions for
something that sounded to good to be true.
 
Dan said:
Thanks:

I don't mean to start an argument. I was just looking for opinions for
something that sounded to good to be true.

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:00:45 +0200, Onno Tasler
<SNIP>

A very good question it is. I do think it is wise of you to ask. to bad for
you, most answers don't point towards the answer you probably (secretly)
hoped for.

I would advice anyone not to do it, as the chanse of this being a scam of
some sort are very high.

An option would be to report this site to the BSA, and ask them to put the
reward to a freeware/open source foundation. This would be hilarious.

It would be kicking the establishment, while maintaining respect for the
individual.

MightyKitten
 
In MightyKitten posted:
I don't see myself as a socialist (or capitalist for that matter),
but my view to the world might indeed be more socialistic as yours.
Fortunately, there are a zillion shades of gray between black and
white. I think everyone is entitled to their whealt, but to do so in
(and this might be a a huge difference of opinion) respect for others.

In my opinion, companies don't matter. People do. This is something
most gouvernments, including solicalist and capitalist countries seem
to recognise less and less. The way how things are established are
becomming of more importance as why these things have been
established in the first place.

If I didn't know any better, I'd expect you to be
a) a staff member of the current whitehouses
b) BillyBoy's second in command
c) As stereotypical American as I have ever seen.

hmmm... looking at your sig, i suspect answer a.
I guess we *do* have some political differences then. Alright a
diffrent shade of gray.

Aaaaahhh, the true European incarnate of an American Liberal
Internationalist.

"Then there are the liberal internationalists. They like to dream, and
to the extent they are aware of our (American) unipolar power, they
don’t like it. They see its use for anything other than
humanitarianism or reflexive self-defense as an expression of national
selfishness. And they don’t just want us to ignore our unique power,
they want us to yield it piece by piece, by subsuming ourselves in a
new global architecture in which America becomes not the arbiter of
international events, but a good and tame international citizen."
http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19912/news_detail.asp

Sorry Kitty, your hopes and dreams will never become reality.

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FYIS.org/estore wrote:
Aaaaahhh, the true European incarnate of an American Liberal
Internationalist.

"Then there are the liberal internationalists. They like to dream, and
to the extent they are aware of our (American) unipolar power, they
don’t like it. They see its use for anything other than
humanitarianism or reflexive self-defense as an expression of national
selfishness. And they don’t just want us to ignore our unique power,
they want us to yield it piece by piece, by subsuming ourselves in a
new global architecture in which America becomes not the arbiter of
international events, but a good and tame international citizen."
http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19912/news_detail.asp

Well a tame international Citizen isn't what I have in mind for America, but
a little less arrogant would suit the USA better.

But you might indeed see me as a european incarnate of an American Libral
Internationalist. I see myself as a pure Humanistic Liberal European, and
I'm quite proud of it). It might be daydreaming a bit, but it is much better
as playing following the leader without questions.
Sorry Kitty, your hopes and dreams will never become reality.
<Snip>

I fear for the world you are right. But I have to admit, in the end, if I
realy, realy realy have to, I'd rather pray 3 times a day facing Wahsington
than facing Mekka . And yes, that is culturally inclined. Though both
options make me shiver.

But good luck with your Bush campain, he will realy need that even more it
this time.
 
FYIS.org/estore said:
In MightyKitten posted:



Aaaaahhh, the true European incarnate of an American Liberal
Internationalist.

"Then there are the liberal internationalists. They like to dream, and
to the extent they are aware of our (American) unipolar power, they
don’t like it. They see its use for anything other than
humanitarianism or reflexive self-defense as an expression of national
selfishness. And they don’t just want us to ignore our unique power,
they want us to yield it piece by piece, by subsuming ourselves in a
new global architecture in which America becomes not the arbiter of
international events, but a good and tame international citizen."
http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19912/news_detail.asp

Sorry Kitty, your hopes and dreams will never become reality.

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And just who the **** are you to decide that!? The group was asked a
question. MightyKitten answered it. She put in an aside about the cost
of MS licensing. In her time as a technical support person she has
dealt with Microsoft licensing, and it's costs. She is not saying
anything that hasn't been said by hundreds of people who know about such
things (you excluded). Microsoft licenses are expensive. Even MS
agrees, which is why they started looking for excuses to give buyers
discounts.

You went off on her - calling her names. What the **** was that about?
Forget to take your Ritalin?

She responded to you in a reasonable manner. You came at her with
more vacuous vitriol. Step off, twerp.

John H.

P.S. Just saw your sig line - G.W. Bush supporter? That explains it.
 
MightyKitten said:
FYIS.org/estore wrote:



Well a tame international Citizen isn't what I have in mind for America, but
a little less arrogant would suit the USA better.

But you might indeed see me as a european incarnate of an American Libral
Internationalist. I see myself as a pure Humanistic Liberal European, and
I'm quite proud of it). It might be daydreaming a bit, but it is much better
as playing following the leader without questions.



<Snip>

I fear for the world you are right. But I have to admit, in the end, if I
realy, realy realy have to, I'd rather pray 3 times a day facing Wahsington
than facing Mekka . And yes, that is culturally inclined. Though both
options make me shiver.

But good luck with your Bush campain, he will realy need that even more it
this time.
Keep "dreaming" MK. Remember, this guy's day will pass. "Time wounds
all heels."

John H.
 
John Hood wrote:
And just who the **** are you to decide that!? The group was asked a
question. MightyKitten answered it. She put in an aside about the
cost of MS licensing. In her time as a technical support person she
has dealt with Microsoft licensing, and it's costs. She is not saying
anything that hasn't been said by hundreds of people who know about
such things (you excluded). Microsoft licenses are expensive. Even
MS agrees, which is why they started looking for excuses to give
buyers discounts.

You went off on her - calling her names. What the **** was that
about? Forget to take your Ritalin?

She responded to you in a reasonable manner. You came at her with
more vacuous vitriol. Step off, twerp.

John H.

P.S. Just saw your sig line - G.W. Bush supporter? That explains it.

Thanks for the support but... ehr... She?
Moment <checking>... nope. Still masculine.
No body did steal anything yet...

Oh well.. with a nick like mine, you might expect some confusion, I guess.

MightyTomcat ? nah... that's way less fun!
 
In MightyKitten posted:

Aaaaahhh, the true European incarnate of an American Liberal
Internationalist.

"Then there are the liberal internationalists. They like to dream, and
to the extent they are aware of our (American) unipolar power, they
don’t like it. They see its use for anything other than
humanitarianism or reflexive self-defense as an expression of national
selfishness. And they don’t just want us to ignore our unique power,
they want us to yield it piece by piece, by subsuming ourselves in a
new global architecture in which America becomes not the arbiter of
international events, but a good and tame international citizen."
http://www.aei.org/news/newsID.19912/news_detail.asp

Sorry Kitty, your hopes and dreams will never become reality.
I agree with Kitty. If your tourists and corporate lackeys were a
little more polite and a lot less arrogant then, in my opinion, most
of the anti-American feeling would disappear. Of course it may be too
late.
 
In David Simpson posted:
I agree with Kitty. If your tourists and corporate lackeys were a
little more polite and a lot less arrogant then, in my opinion, most
of the anti-American feeling would disappear. Of course it may be too
late.

You assume we, as The Uni-Power, really give a damn what y'all think &
feel.
Y'all have done nothing for us all these decades except cry when your
ass is in a sling and need our tanks to protect you; and drool over
and buy our products and services cuz your EU socialist economies are
too stupid to produce them to any great satisfaction of your own
population. Keep coming over and spending your tourist dollars here,
just go home when y'all are broke.

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In David Simpson posted: [...]
You assume we, as The Uni-Power, really give a damn what y'all think &
feel.
Y'all have done nothing for us all these decades except cry when your
ass is in a sling and need our tanks to protect you; and drool over
and buy our products and services cuz your EU socialist economies are
too stupid to produce them to any great satisfaction of your own
population. Keep coming over and spending your tourist dollars here,
just go home when y'all are broke.

The above is NOT a typical American opinion. It's bigoted stuff like
that that make us seem to be arrogant. The people I know are decent
hard-working people who DO care about what goes on in the rest of the
world.
<rant>
We shouldn't be the "police" of the world. If someone asks or needs help
we'll give it. Any country in the world would do the same
I don't mean occupying a country, imposing or brand of so-called
democracy "help". We believe in the U.N. "W" doesn't.
They don't not like to jump into a war at the drop of a hat.
Meanwhile, we have a President who makes jokes about weapons of mass
destruction while young men and women are dying to support his policies.
Also the anti-terrorism policies he is trying to push on us are eroding
our civil liberties. We are going to vote him out. That is a fact.
</rant>
 
Y'all have done nothing for us all these decades except cry when your
ass is in a sling and need our tanks to protect you; and drool over
and buy our products and services cuz your EU socialist economies are
too stupid to produce them to any great satisfaction of your own
population. Keep coming over and spending your tourist dollars here,
just go home when y'all are broke.

Careful there. The colour of you neck is starting to show through.

tim
 
In Tim R. posted:
Careful there. The colour of you neck is starting to show through.

tim

Don't believe everything you read.
Btw, it's spelled "color" in the real world.

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