OEM vs Full

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Albert

What is the difference between OEM and Full version of Vista. Reading the
fine print they are both for one machine.

XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines as long as you were
the only one using the machine.

Thanks

Al
 
XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines as long as you
were
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the only one using the machine.


Yes so you could install XP on 20 computers as long as you were the only one
to use them.. if someone else sneaked in and started using it, then a
virtual mechanical hand would come out of the computer box and slap the user
twice on the face....
 
One machine. No support from MS for OEM (up to the manufacturer of PC). OEM
is for the hardware that entitled you to the OEM version (motherboard, CPU,
etc.), if you want to erase it and put it on a different machine, you can't
(you can, but not by EULA standards).

Basically, same exact OS, just different restrictions on how you can use it.
 
I don't know why, but I thought of the movie rendition of Hitchhikers Guide
(book series is MUCH better: everyone should read it!) when the swatters
come out and smack them when they think. :)

--
Dustin Harper
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http://www.vistarip.com

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Al;
OEM normally is a full version since OEM upgrades are usually
available in limited distribution for a very short time.

OEM is not supported by Microsoft while retail is.
Generally OEM is permanently tied to the original computer and can
never be moved regardless the condition of that computer.
Retail can be moved to a different computer as often as desired as
long is it is only installed on one computer at a time.
Some of the many reasons OEM is cheaper than retail.

"XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines..."
FALSE, that has not ever been the case with any Microsoft consumer
operating system.
Windows is licensed to the computer not the person.

Read the EULA for details.
 
Jupiter said:
Al;
OEM normally is a full version since OEM upgrades are usually available
in limited distribution for a very short time.

OEM is not supported by Microsoft while retail is.
Generally OEM is permanently tied to the original computer and can never
be moved regardless the condition of that computer.
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Yeah, but you can update the computer to your heart's content, something
that isn't mentioned very much.
Retail can be moved to a different computer as often as desired as long
is it is only installed on one computer at a time.
Some of the many reasons OEM is cheaper than retail.

"XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines..."
FALSE, that has not ever been the case with any Microsoft consumer
operating system.
Windows is licensed to the computer not the person.
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Interesting concept. How does a computer sign a license or buy an
operating system?
Read the EULA for details.
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Been there, done that and wore out the T-Shirt. It's a scam.

Alias
 
Can I upgrade from OEM to a more complex Vista (i.e from Home Premium to
Business)? Just the upgrade price? Thanks.
 
Rich Hackney said:
Can I upgrade from OEM to a more complex Vista (i.e from Home Premium to
Business)? Just the upgrade price? Thanks.
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Yes, you can.
 
What is the difference between OEM and Full version of Vista. Reading the
fine print they are both for one machine.

XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines as long as you were
the only one using the machine.

Thanks

Al
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Actually, Albert, the XP License in general (the consumer versions) is for on
only one MACHINE, not simply "one user". And putting it on more than one
machine at a time has ALWAYS been contrary to the XP EULA, whether OEM OR
Retail.

That is EXACTLY why Microsoft instituted Windows Activation. Because folks like
yourself either did not READ their EULAS, or completely misunderstood them, or
are basically scofflaws down deep, and so went ahead and put them on as many
machines as they wanted (thus becoming "casual software pirates").

Their piracy has increased the price of Vista for everyone else, of course, but
what do pirates care about it? They get theirs anyway they can, and don't
really give a damn about the ones who respect law.

By the way, ONLY OEM versions (as always) can be installed only on a single
machine during the lifetime of the license. Retail licenses of both XP and
Vista may be installed on more than one machine (but only one at a time may be
activated) during the lifetime of the license.

Try reading the license, my friend.

Donald L McDaniel
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Can I upgrade from OEM to a more complex Vista (i.e from Home Premium to
Business)? Just the upgrade price? Thanks.
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Of course, Rich.

Donald L McDaniel
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Al;
OEM normally is a full version since OEM upgrades are usually
available in limited distribution for a very short time.

OEM is not supported by Microsoft while retail is.
Generally OEM is permanently tied to the original computer and can
never be moved regardless the condition of that computer.
Retail can be moved to a different computer as often as desired as
long is it is only installed on one computer at a time.
Some of the many reasons OEM is cheaper than retail.

"XP was for one user so you could put it on more machines..."
FALSE, that has not ever been the case with any Microsoft consumer
operating system.
Windows is licensed to the computer not the person.

Read the EULA for details.
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Actually, Windows is licensed to the USER, for use on their machine.

Only government entities have the power to license a user's property.
I really don't care what the jack-lawyers around here think.
Microsoft has absolutely NO RIGHTS to MY machine, of ANY kind.

Just let them TRY to usurp MY rights of ownership in open court.

Because I am the OWNER of MY machine, I have the LEGAL RIGHTS to do what I
desire with MY machine. And NOONE ELSE has ANY rights over it. Especially the
right to LICENSE it to ME.

The judge will just laugh at them, if he believes in the Constitution or natural
law.

Part of being an MVP should be a BASIC course in Constitutional Law.
Then you folks won't be making such ridiculous statements as "Microsoft licenses
the MACHINE, NOT the USER".

Donald L McDaniel
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Yeah, but you can update the computer to your heart's content, something
that isn't mentioned very much.


Interesting concept. How does a computer sign a license or buy an
operating system?
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Microsoft (and its idiotic lackeys, the MVPs) have really come up with a novel
legal concept this time, it seems:

That a non-governmental entity (Microsoft, Inc) has the RIGHT to USURP our
rights as the OWNERS of our machines by REQUIRING us to GIVE UP our ownership
rights over it, and maintaining that IT has the right to do it, and CHARGE us
for it to boot.

Their legal department should be ashamed of themselves, since they know better
(or should, unless all of them went to some offshore "School of Law" in an
unpronounceable country somewhere in the Third World).

No decent Constitutional scholar would EVER agree with this "License for a
machine, not the user" (unless of course, he "needed" a new country-club
membership, in which case he would probably be pretty cheap for a large
corporation to buy and put in their pocket).


This person needs to "read the Constitution for details" (and use a little
common-sense) instead.
Been there, done that and wore out the T-Shirt. It's a scam.
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Microsoft IS definitely trying to "scam" the public with this overreaching
"license".
Alias
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Actually, any clause in our EULAs which are contrary to local or national law
are not enforceable in a court of law in almost ANY legal jurisdiction in the
entire world. Even our EULAs have that clause in them. Why Microsoft keeps
trying to overreach its rights under Law, I have no idea.

But the general public tends to be nothing but obedient sheep, as long as they
get their grass, and believe everything Microsoft tells them, because so much of
their daily lives are invested in Microsoft OSes and software.

I really fear for our nation when corporations like Microsoft come up with such
novel legal concepts (pulled out of their butts, I'm sure).

Donald L McDaniel
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Perhaps I worded it poorly.
Windows is licensed for one computer at a time.

From Section 2 of the EULA:
"You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"

Also you did see the last line of my post:
"Read the EULA for details."
People having questions with that should consult an attorney
specializing in licensing law in their locality, AFAIK, none
participate in these newsgroups.
Obviously Donald stopped reading before before my last line.
 
Jupiter said:
Perhaps I worded it poorly.
Windows is licensed for one computer at a time.

From Section 2 of the EULA:
"You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device"

Also you did see the last line of my post:
"Read the EULA for details."
People having questions with that should consult an attorney
specializing in licensing law in their locality, AFAIK, none participate
in these newsgroups.
Obviously Donald stopped reading before before my last line.
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I've read my EULAs in English and Spanish and it's a scam and WPA, WGA,
ad nausea enforce the scam. Bill Gates & Co. should be doing time for
ripping off millions of people both financially and lost time with this
scam along with his buddies over at Enron.

Alias
 
Donald said:
Actually, Albert, the XP License in general (the consumer versions) is for on
only one MACHINE, not simply "one user". And putting it on more than one
machine at a time has ALWAYS been contrary to the XP EULA, whether OEM OR
Retail.

That is EXACTLY why Microsoft instituted Windows Activation. Because folks like
yourself either did not READ their EULAS, or completely misunderstood them, or
are basically scofflaws down deep, and so went ahead and put them on as many
machines as they wanted (thus becoming "casual software pirates").

Their piracy has increased the price of Vista for everyone else, of course, but
what do pirates care about it? They get theirs anyway they can, and don't
really give a damn about the ones who respect law.
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The piracy with Win 95, 98, NT and W2K gave MS the market share to then
be able to clamp down on one license, one machine. Without that piracy,
they would not have the market dominance to do this.

Alias
 
You seem to think everything Microsoft is such a "scam" then please free to
change your Operating System to something else, and refrain from cluttering
this newsgroup up, where people like myself, would like assistance with the
product.

w.
 
The piracy with Win 95, 98, NT and W2K gave MS the market share to then
be able to clamp down on one license, one machine. Without that piracy,
they would not have the market dominance to do this.
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Actually, it's "one license, one user at a time on one machine at a time" (for a
Retail license).
..
The OEM license IS "one license, one machine, which can be sold to a second (or
third, or fourth, etc) user, but only once for each user, who loses the license
once he sells it."
Alias
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I've never had any problems with Windows licensing. I don't really know why
others do.

But of course, I have an in-born respect for Law in general. It's comes
extremely easy for me.

But many others apparently do not. Perhaps they need a little "religion" in
their lives.

But I've noticed something since the inception of the WWW: more and more people
have come to believe that ALL software and other media should be FREE for the
taking. They apparently think that Microsoft and others should be able to give
their software away. I wonder what these freebie lovers would think if their
employers decided that their services should be free, too. I'm sure they would
all be up-in-arms about the "fascist devils" trying to enslave them.

They really need to get a little education about the "production costs" of
producing and releasing a product like Windows Vista.

But something tells me they wouldn't care anyway. They just want to steal it no
matter how much it costs to produce or buy.

Donald L McDaniel
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William said:
You seem to think everything Microsoft is such a "scam" then please free
to change your Operating System to something else, and refrain from
cluttering this newsgroup up, where people like myself, would like
assistance with the product.
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Um, I don't think that everything MS is a scam, only their licensing
practices. I like, and use, XP and Office 2000 every day.

If you like the you-are-a-thief-until-you-prove-otherwise trip, you need
help but you won't find it on these newsgroups.

The advice I would give you regarding the Vista "product" is to stay
with XP and wait until it's ready for prime time in about a year.

Alias
 
Donald said:
Actually, it's "one license, one user at a time on one machine at a time" (for a
Retail license).
.
The OEM license IS "one license, one machine, which can be sold to a second (or
third, or fourth, etc) user, but only once for each user, who loses the license
once he sells it."


I've never had any problems with Windows licensing. I don't really know why
others do.

But of course, I have an in-born respect for Law in general. It's comes
extremely easy for me.

But many others apparently do not. Perhaps they need a little "religion" in
their lives.

But I've noticed something since the inception of the WWW: more and more people
have come to believe that ALL software and other media should be FREE for the
taking. They apparently think that Microsoft and others should be able to give
their software away. I wonder what these freebie lovers would think if their
employers decided that their services should be free, too. I'm sure they would
all be up-in-arms about the "fascist devils" trying to enslave them.

They really need to get a little education about the "production costs" of
producing and releasing a product like Windows Vista.

But something tells me they wouldn't care anyway. They just want to steal it no
matter how much it costs to produce or buy.

Donald L McDaniel
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Yawn, the tired old either/or trip. I would buy Windows without the one
computer, one license scam and without the WPA/WGA/WGA-N. Office too.
Oops. Due to this scam and insulting activation/genuine practices, I am
doing something I never thought I would do: learning Linux, as many
others are. If MS wants to know if I bought my software, they can get a
court order to see the receipt I got when I bought it. Forcing paying
customers to prove not once, not twice, not trice, but four times and
counting that they own the OS their using is unconscionable.

Alias
 
Yawn, the tired old either/or trip. I would buy Windows without the one
computer, one license scam and without the WPA/WGA/WGA-N. Office too.
Oops. Due to this scam and insulting activation/genuine practices, I am
doing something I never thought I would do: learning Linux, as many
others are. If MS wants to know if I bought my software, they can get a
court order to see the receipt I got when I bought it. Forcing paying
customers to prove not once, not twice, not trice, but four times and
counting that they own the OS their using is unconscionable.

Alias
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Well, that's your choice, Alias. Each of us must live with our own choices. I
certainly don't respect you any less because you made a choice most others don't
make, and I will continue to show you the respect you deserve for making the
choices you have, as long as you keep within the boundaries of Law.

That's what Life is all about: making choices and living with the consequences.
WE each must make our own choices. No one else can make them for us. At the
End, each of us must appear before the Judge of all Judges to give an account of
the choices we did make. Hopefully, we will have made more good ones than bad
ones, or at least the right ones at the right time.

BTW, there is certainly no need to show Microsoft the receipt. I've never had
to show one before, and on at least one occasion I probably should have been
required to.

So we aren't all squeaky-clean, are we?

Donald L McDaniel
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