OE and Outlook fight over newsgroups

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Will Pittenger

Why was NNTP support left out of Outlook? Sure, you can do newsgroups, but
only with a local Exchange server. (This group probably is hosted by one
and those on the correct side of Microsoft's firewall can probably use
Outlook to read messages here.) Strangely enough, Outlook (at least 2000
and 2002) attempts to register itself as the default newsgroup reader. What
is the point? If that newsgroup is not local, Outlook just loads OE. But
then, OE complains that it is not the default newsgroup reader. I keep
changing it, and Outlook keeps changing it back. If Outlook really wants
the default newsgroup reader, then it should support NNTP in full. Not bits
and pieces, but the whole thing.

As I see it, OE should be Outlook with a few DLLs missing. As is, they
might share source, but they use different executables. If it were my
decision I would arrange for Outlook to replace OE (in full) when installed.
(Part of the reason that I consider this acceptable is that I keep Outlook
running all the time anyway.) The catch is, you would not be able to
upgrade just because there was newer version of OE available. (But then,
you would never use it.)
 
outlook uses the news stub in OE for news - either always use the OE icon
on your desktop or always use go, news... you can also add a /outnews switch
to the desktop shortcut to have only the news stub.

OE is not OL with a few less dlls.. they are from two different product
teams and only share similar names.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
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I am using /newsonly. That is not the point. Why have OE when I have paid
for Outlook (BTW: if you have not noticed, Outlook is not cheap) and keep it
loaded. Besides, the two programs should still never fight to be the
default newsgroup reader. If Outlook is never going to have REAL newsgroup
support, it should never force me to accept it as something it is not. That
is nothing but a type of fraud (the kind the government could care less
about.) We are talking about a feature that Microsoft gets to claim on its
list of what the full blown Outlook. Never mind that feature is not
implemented.
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Will Pittenger
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Diane Poremsky said:
outlook uses the news stub in OE for news - either always use the OE icon
on your desktop or always use go, news... you can also add a /outnews switch
to the desktop shortcut to have only the news stub.

OE is not OL with a few less dlls.. they are from two different product
teams and only share similar names.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
http://www.poremsky.com - http://www.cdolive.com

Expert Zone http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Search for answers: http://groups.google.com
Most recent posts to the Outlook newsgroups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=microsoft.public.outlook.*&num=30


Will Pittenger said:
Why was NNTP support left out of Outlook? Sure, you can do newsgroups, but
only with a local Exchange server. (This group probably is hosted by one
and those on the correct side of Microsoft's firewall can probably use
Outlook to read messages here.) Strangely enough, Outlook (at least 2000
and 2002) attempts to register itself as the default newsgroup reader. What
is the point? If that newsgroup is not local, Outlook just loads OE. But
then, OE complains that it is not the default newsgroup reader. I keep
changing it, and Outlook keeps changing it back. If Outlook really wants
the default newsgroup reader, then it should support NNTP in full. Not bits
and pieces, but the whole thing.

As I see it, OE should be Outlook with a few DLLs missing. As is, they
might share source, but they use different executables. If it were my
decision I would arrange for Outlook to replace OE (in full) when installed.
(Part of the reason that I consider this acceptable is that I keep Outlook
running all the time anyway.) The catch is, you would not be able to
upgrade just because there was newer version of OE available. (But then,
you would never use it.)
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it's never going to have full newsreading support - so you'll need OE or
something else to read news... there is a setting in OE to never ask again,
should you choose to use it in news only mode. Also - rather than using
/newsonly, use /outnews. That should end OE's confusion.


--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
http://www.poremsky.com - http://www.cdolive.com

Expert Zone http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Search for answers: http://groups.google.com
Most recent posts to the Outlook newsgroups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=microsoft.public.outlook.*&num=30


Will Pittenger said:
I am using /newsonly. That is not the point. Why have OE when I have paid
for Outlook (BTW: if you have not noticed, Outlook is not cheap) and keep it
loaded. Besides, the two programs should still never fight to be the
default newsgroup reader. If Outlook is never going to have REAL newsgroup
support, it should never force me to accept it as something it is not. That
is nothing but a type of fraud (the kind the government could care less
about.) We are talking about a feature that Microsoft gets to claim on its
list of what the full blown Outlook. Never mind that feature is not
implemented.
----------
Will Pittenger
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Diane Poremsky said:
outlook uses the news stub in OE for news - either always use the OE icon
on your desktop or always use go, news... you can also add a /outnews switch
to the desktop shortcut to have only the news stub.

OE is not OL with a few less dlls.. they are from two different product
teams and only share similar names.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
http://www.poremsky.com - http://www.cdolive.com

Expert Zone http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Search for answers: http://groups.google.com
Most recent posts to the Outlook newsgroups:
Click to expand...
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=microsoft.public.outlook.*&num=30
newsgroups,
but Not
bits
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The KB article that I read the other day listed the two command line options
as identical.
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Diane Poremsky said:
it's never going to have full newsreading support - so you'll need OE or
something else to read news... there is a setting in OE to never ask again,
should you choose to use it in news only mode. Also - rather than using
/newsonly, use /outnews. That should end OE's confusion.


--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
http://www.poremsky.com - http://www.cdolive.com

Expert Zone http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Search for answers: http://groups.google.com
Most recent posts to the Outlook newsgroups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=microsoft.public.outlook.*&num=30


Will Pittenger said:
I am using /newsonly. That is not the point. Why have OE when I have paid
for Outlook (BTW: if you have not noticed, Outlook is not cheap) and
Click to expand...
keep
it
loaded. Besides, the two programs should still never fight to be the
default newsgroup reader. If Outlook is never going to have REAL newsgroup
support, it should never force me to accept it as something it is not. That
is nothing but a type of fraud (the kind the government could care less
about.) We are talking about a feature that Microsoft gets to claim on its
list of what the full blown Outlook. Never mind that feature is not
implemented.
----------
Will Pittenger
E-Mail: mailto:[email protected]
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Diane Poremsky said:
outlook uses the news stub in OE for news - either always use the OE icon
on your desktop or always use go, news... you can also add a /outnews switch
to the desktop shortcut to have only the news stub.

OE is not OL with a few less dlls.. they are from two different product
teams and only share similar names.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
http://www.poremsky.com - http://www.cdolive.com

Expert Zone http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

Search for answers: http://groups.google.com
Most recent posts to the Outlook newsgroups:
Click to expand...
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http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=microsoft.public.outlook.*&num=30
by
one OE.
But
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Donald McDaniel said:
Of course, I have Outlook set for Internet Mail only, so I don't know how
Outlook would act in an Exchange environment..
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No Exchange server here. Of course, if I did have one, Microsoft could
arrange for Exchange to shadow newsgroups on remote servers (under the
administrator's control). Outlook could then access that. Still, I do not
have an Exchange server. Could not even begin to afford one either.
 
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