O.K, how do I give 98se access?

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Tom Edwards

Now that I have a virgin W2k installed, how do I set
permissions, mmc's, etc, to allow my 98se computer to
access that W2K computer? Now it says I have no
permission. It asks for a non-existent password.

I prefer accessing with no password, as I am the only one
around here and those computers aren't even connected to
the Web.

Mini-philosophy: Why does Microsoft operate strictly upon
the "Fear / Greed" wavelength? Why make systems that lock
people out (from content-fear) so that they can make a
bundle on tech assistance charges (greed)? (Well, I guess
that is the reason, after all).

Why don't they create systems for "normal" users, those
not linked to some corporate ball and chain? Those not
trying to hide stuff from family or other users? Why
not: "To dispense with all password requirements on all
computers and devices, and never be bothered or locked out
again, check box at left"!!

Thanks
 
Tom,

I realise you may just be having a bit of a rant, but the "Fear / Greed"
thing you talk about doesn't - IMHO - exist.

US companies have by default always erred on the side of providing systems
that are largely by default "Open". The flow on effect of this is that they
also lack inherent security. This has been a successful approach as
evidenced by the growth of the US as the predominant supplier of commercial
operating systems.

Basically "Open" systems are easy to use and consequently sell.

What you are experiencing has nothing to do with Microsoft at all really -
if you went to any other operating system vendor you would still have issues
around setting up a network and there will always be a degree of protection
from outsiders involved. Vendors of operating systems cannot afford to make
assumptions about what all computers will be used for beyond those
assumptions already made: again I refer to the fact that these systems are
by default somewhat "Open". If the ease of use were reduced down further
such that you only needed to plug a cable into a hub and all resources on
all computers were freely accessible then the commercial world would abandon
such operating systems or demand increased default security.

This is in fact happending - security is an issue with businesses and
individuals demanding more. If you were to spend some time reading up about
Windows server 2003, you would find that many of the new features are
security related and much of the nature of these features entails locking
things down more, much more.

If you want an OS that is aimed at the home network that is easier to
configure then I would suggest Windows XP Home - this is a variant of
Windows XP that is targeted specifically for the home market (is next to
useless in a business environment) and by default has simplified or reduced
security settings.

However in the mean time, hang in there. You will get things sorted and will
understand what is going on sooner or later.

To have a go at answering your question:

I am not too sure as I do not work "Workgroup" situations. There are
exceedingly more qualified people out there that will be able to give you
specific well written answers, but on the mean time I suspect you need to
Share the Disc Drives, Directories and Printers so that the other computers
can see them across the network.

To Create a share for a disc drive:

Open My Computer,
Select the disc drive concerned,
Right click and on the popup menu select Sharing
Set the options to suite your needs.
Read Help (Start -> Help).

You should then be able to see these shared folders on the other system.

BTW: next time you are confronted by something like this, then 1) check
Help, 2) post a specific question to an appropriate news group with the
details of what, when, and why.

Regards,

Tim
 
Thanks for the reply, while we are on the subject of rants.

The ethically-challenged intercorporate "normal operation"
of which you speak is fine. But I did not refer to it.

Only that the man (and woman) hours which more independent
people everywhere lose as a result of built-in security
systems on computers which are not networked and which
those people refuse to subject to the toilet of the Web
(whereas they connect only their newer ones to the Web),
speak volumes about the mindset upon which you rant. Web-
ocrats, of course, think only by the accepted books they
read, so cannot understand what I am suggesting.

All I suggest is that computers and computer makers act a
little "smarter", with a simple bypass. Give people at
least the feeling that they own their own computers,
printers - if not their licensed software. A single setup
switch which disables complexity upon complexity of fear-
driven barriers.

Then you and the corporate world of which you are in awe
will not dictate so much lost time and money by so many.

I have XP on two of my computers and have found it little
less invasive and "in your face".
 
Dear Anon,

Answers inline...

Thanks for the reply, while we are on the subject of rants.

The ethically-challenged intercorporate "normal operation"
of which you speak is fine. But I did not refer to it.

You bring the comment "ethically-challenged" straight out of hot air. If you
were to apply it to the legal profession (see below) I would agree, to many
companies on the internet I would agree, but to apply it to companies in
general and vendors of operating systems and software, I would have to
disagree strongly. Why should coporations suffer for a moment a blanket
judgement on their ethical stance by an individual? Simply they don't - you
are waisting your breath in uttering this and showing contempt for the many
companies that are highly ethical, employ millions, pay their bills, pay
their taxes, and don't leave wrappers all over the side walks.

Ethics need to be evaluated on a case by case basis - different countries,
cultures, customs, and also markets. Each person or corporation can have its
own set of values upon which it basis decisions on good or bad conduct. I
feel your mention of ethics is totally out of place and indicates a lack of
understanding of what actually constitutes ethical behaviour. I will be the
first to agree with you if you do say that there are an enormouse number of
trash organisations on the internet - for example - but again, this has no
relationship to this topic.

Tell me, if you built a new house, would you do the electrical wiring? Would
you do the plumbing? Telephone? If you wanted to pursue a bad debt, would
you do all the legal work? After hundreds of years of evolution of legal
systems, why would you not instigate the process yourself and see it through
to completion without any assistance? Surely by now that should be straight
forward.

By comparison to the above "professions", the computer industry has come
light years in a short time with a diabolical level of results. Personally I
find it incredible that the legal profession is allowed to exist, that court
processes are as they are, and that laws are so shoddily written - and this
is after hundreds of years of having the opportunity to get the system
right. The only justification seems to be the preservation of the legal
profession itself.

Would you say that things have improved enormously over the last decade on
the computing front?
I definitely would.
Only that the man (and woman) hours which more independent
people everywhere lose as a result of built-in security
systems on computers which are not networked and which
those people refuse to subject to the toilet of the Web
(whereas they connect only their newer ones to the Web),
speak volumes about the mindset upon which you rant.

I would suggest to you that mankind has lost considerably more time to
unblocking drains, replacing light bulbs, dealing with engaged tones, and
fruitlessly trying to program VCR's than has been spent on networked
computers - and will continue to do so.

My response was not a rant - I have arthritis in the fingers and practicing
typing alleviates it (or so my doctor says). I was mearly pointing out that
there is a sound foundation requirement for Security.

It has been only the last few years where lay people are to any significant
degree begining to network computers outside of a business environment.
Prior to that networking was almost exclusively the domain of the geek. You
are witnessing the shift in technology from business to domestic consumer
and as such there also has to be a shift in the methods of provision of
services. Further, while you are unwittingly at the forefront of this
technology, you are are expecting a completed job where it is a work in
progress. You can't expect an operating system that was designed last
century and released 3 or so years ago to be at the forefront of changes in
consumer activity. Take Windows 95 for example - it was designed well in
advance of popularisation of the internet, and largely as a result of its
release popularised the internet. It has been sworn about, cursed, and
berated, yet it is actually reliable as heck so long as you don't install
trash.

There are many people out there that are highly concerned and critical of
the methods provided for simultaneously providing the ability for both
corporate technocrats, small business systems managers, occasional users,
and lay people to manage the technical aspects of computer configuration.
Providing management methods that satisfy all is a substantial challenge -
the lay person expects 100% simplicity and a GUI approach, many techno geeks
require command line management, remote management, remote monitoring, and
have a disdain for GUI. All the gaps in between need to be filled too. So,
who pays for this developement and when is it to be provided? Should MS
invest in programming management interfaces for lay people on top end
servers now? Clearly the answer is no. Should MS create multiple different
copies of its operating systems so that a Home user version with all the
tools in can be split off and developed for the lay market? Clearly no -
this is something to avoid and is also something MS has worked industriously
away from for several years now (IE it is most desirable to write one
version of a program - or OS and supply that one version to all customers.
This way there is only one version to maintain. As soon as multiple versions
are allowed to exist staffing costs multiply and the probability of major
stuff ups multiply also. This is a basic principle of good design).

Wasn't it George Washington that said "You can please all of the people some
of the time, some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the
time."? My point is that although computers are far from perfect, it is
acknowledged that there is the ability to make huge room for improvement and
effort is being expended in making those improvements. This effort takes
time.
Webocrats, of course, think only by the accepted books they
read, so cannot understand what I am suggesting.

I have no idea what a "webocrat" (geek?) is and to "think only by the
accepted books" (the bible?) would be an act of stupidity. I am not even
clear what an "accepted book" would be in your mind. There are many authors
out there that write books of varying quality that is then often compromised
by the editors and publishers in an effort to target their perceived
markets. IE in the process, if the original script had value it is too often
lost at publication. So, basically, I disagree with you - I don't believe
everything I read and I really hate inadvertantly buying a book and finding
it is shallow, inaccurate, incomplete, or just poorly written.
All I suggest is that computers and computer makers act a
little "smarter", with a simple bypass.

The simple bypass is in Windows 2000, and XP.
Give people at
least the feeling that they own their own computers,
printers - if not their licensed software. A single setup
switch which disables complexity upon complexity of fear-
driven barriers.

The key to combating fear is knowledge (or running away from it). The major
issue with a "Single setup switch" is where would one put it and how would
one find it - read the manual perhaps? Now, for all the other options - oh
yes many are in the control panel. You can get TweakUI and have many more.
The key to reducing complexity is understanding (sounds like fear again).

I do agree with you. However like all technology, particularly technology
that is still evolving there is always room for improvement.

"A single setup". Again, pleasing all the people all the time is a bit
difficult. There are an enormous number of people out there that actually
like things the way they are - are they to be disadvantaged because it is
not your preference? It is an option, it is there, and it can be changed.
Sooner or later something that has many options has to have a) a default, b)
an ability to change that setting, and c) there will be someone like your
self that doesn't like the default and can't find out where to change it.
Personally, I like security.
Then you and the corporate world of which you are in awe

Hardly :) I do however understand the necessity for security. A while back I
returned to 'civilisation' after living in a 3rd world jungle for 3 years.
On arriving in a major city I was gob smacked at the inane ant like
behaviour of fellow man - rushing to work, sitting in an ivory tower,
rushing home. So much time lost to transport in a highly polluted world. It
is difficult to relate this, but I stood near a train / bus station and just
watched these people rushing hither and thither getting into little boxes
(cars, buses and trains) to rush again to be in another little box in a
different place (home or work). These ants seemed hardly alive to me. I am
not part of that culture, although it gives me lots of money for helping it
work. No awe here, pity is closer to the truth. The irony here is that the
solution for the above ant like behaviour is in technology - stay at home
and work. This illustrates in a way the importance of this topic.
will not dictate so much lost time and money by so many.

I have XP on two of my computers and have found it little
less invasive and "in your face".

I find XP is substantially better although graphically its default config is
in ya face, but thats easily fixed.

- Tim
 
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