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I would just like to comment on all the people who complain about so-called
"cross-posts"

These are Windows help/assistance NG's

What somebody posts in a particular NG may not be actually related... and
conversely.... what YOU may think is related to a particular NG, another
person may relate it to an entirely different NG

So please..... if you DONT have any suggestions or solutions to a posted
question... DONT feel obligated to complain that the person is doing their
best to get an answer from as many informed sources as possible... just
twiddle your fingers rather than tap keys incessantly (spelling???!!!) and
posting complaints about said activities

These NG's are ADVICE groups... NOT argument or debating groups

Try a little decorum and Xmas spirit
 
|I would just like to comment on all the people who complain about so-called
|"cross-posts"
|
|These are Windows help/assistance NG's
|
|What somebody posts in a particular NG may not be actually related... and
|conversely.... what YOU may think is related to a particular NG, another
|person may relate it to an entirely different NG
|
|So please..... if you DONT have any suggestions or solutions to a posted
|question... DONT feel obligated to complain that the person is doing their
|best to get an answer from as many informed sources as possible... just
|twiddle your fingers rather than tap keys incessantly (spelling???!!!) and
|posting complaints about said activities
|
|These NG's are ADVICE groups... NOT argument or debating groups
|
|Try a little decorum and Xmas spirit
|
|
|
It's not "crossposting" that is usually the problem - it's "multi
posting"
 
anon said:
I would just like to comment on all the people who complain about
so-called "cross-posts"

These are Windows help/assistance NG's

What somebody posts in a particular NG may not be actually related...
and conversely.... what YOU may think is related to a particular NG,
another person may relate it to an entirely different NG

So please..... if you DONT have any suggestions or solutions to a
posted question... DONT feel obligated to complain that the person is
doing their best to get an answer from as many informed sources as
possible... just twiddle your fingers rather than tap keys
incessantly (spelling???!!!) and posting complaints about said
activities

These NG's are ADVICE groups... NOT argument or debating groups

Try a little decorum and Xmas spirit
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Learn the difference between 'cross-posting' and 'multi-posting' ****wit! I
have no problems with cross-posting, as long as it's kept to a maximum of
two or three *pertinent* groups and not cross-posted to half of Usenet.
 
Hi, Anon.

You - like me and most experienced newsgroup users - are using Outlook
Express (or another newsreader, like Plato and rifleman are using).
However, we are quickly becoming the minority here. Newbies are becoming
the majority. And they are NOT using a news reader. They are arriving here
via Microsoft's "Web-based Interface" - and the tools at their disposal are
quite different from the tools you and I are so familiar with.

To see what THEY see, click here:
Welcome to Microsoft Discussion Groups
http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx

Then navigate from there to your favorite newsgroup. Or, just click here to
come back here to WindowsXP.Basics, where I'm reading your message:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...at=en-us-win-winclient-newusers&lang=en&cr=US

(That saves you about a dozen mouse-clicks to get from the top page to this
NG - whoops! this DG.)

Now, try finding and reading YOUR message - and the responses to it. :>(
Then try to figure out how to cross-post! (Hint: The Help file offers a
lot of advice. It defines Cross-Post (but doesn't tell how to do it), but
not Multi-Post.)

Microsoft loves this new interface - and so do new computer users who are
having a problem. The newbie comes here, asks a question, gets an answer,
and disappears. He (or she) may never have seen a newsgroup before and may
never see one again - and probably does not know (or care) that he was in a
newsgroup at all. He does not know (or care) about cross-posting,
multi-posting, top posting, or any of the other techniques and issues that
we "old hands" have been dealing with for a long time and are so serious
about.

This Web-based interface has problems and idiosyncrasies. They have been
recognized and improvements are under way; I understand that some DGs
already are using newer versions.

In OE, if we can't tell by the message itself, we can always press Ctrl+F3
and recognize messages posted via the Web-based interface. Their header
contains the line: "X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000",
referring to the original version of the interface, which is at least a
couple of years old now. A recent "improvement" is the advice from MS that
posters not use their real email addresses, but to "munge" them to foil
spammers; to help in that, the program automatically fills in the address as
(e-mail address removed), and many users don't bother to change
it.

It's going to take a while to get the new interface right, anon, and in the
meantime, we will see many more posts by people who don't know the old
rules - and don't care about them. If I were a newbie who just needed a
quick fix for my current problem, I'd probably feel the same way. And you
might, too.

Now, for any newbies (to Discussion Groups) reading over our shoulders who
would like to try the Outlook Express way of reading newsgroups, click here:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics

Unless blocked by something like a corporate firewall, this should start OE
on your computer, create the News Account for the free Microsoft Public news
server (which hosts all these 2000+ newsgroups), open this WindowsXP.Basics
newsgroup, and download the 300 latest messages for you. Try it; you might
like it better than the Web-based interface.

Well, I've ranted long enough. Back to reading messages and trying to post
helpful responses.

RC
 
EXCUSE ME!!!

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A ****WIT... I WAS MAKING A GENERAL COMMENT ON PEOPLE
COMPLAINING ABOUT CROSS-POSTING / MULTI-POSTING... WHATEVER THE **** YOU
WANT TO CALL IT

I DID NOT DESERVE YOUR RESPONSE, AS I DID NOT DIRECT MY PREVIOUS POST TO
ANYONE IN PARTICULAR - RATHER THE GROUPS AS A WHOLE

AS FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NAMES... WHO GIVES A SHIT....

REPEAT MY ORIGINAL COMMENT..... PEOPLE WHO POST TO MULTIPLE GROUPS WITH THE
SAME ENQUIRY DO SO IN ORDER TO GET THEIR QUESTION TO AS MANY INFORMED PEOPLE
AS POSSIBLE, TO SOLVE THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUE

IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS OR IDEAS TO HELP SOMEBODY SOLVE THEIR
ISSUE, THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND YOUR FINGERS WRAPPED AROUND YOUR COCK
INSTEAD OF SENDING VULGAR DRIBBLE THRU TO THESE GROUPS

HAVE A HAPPY XMAS
 
anon said:
EXCUSE ME!!!

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A ****WIT... I WAS MAKING A GENERAL COMMENT ON
PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT CROSS-POSTING / MULTI-POSTING... WHATEVER
THE **** YOU WANT TO CALL IT
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And you *STILL* haven't learnt that they're not the same thing - ergo you're
a ****wit.
I DID NOT DESERVE YOUR RESPONSE, AS I DID NOT DIRECT MY PREVIOUS POST
TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR - RATHER THE GROUPS AS A WHOLE
Click to expand...

Yes you did because I've never come across anyone less well qualified to
comment on cross or multi-posting as you don't know the difference!

AS FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NAMES... WHO GIVES A SHIT....
Click to expand...

All of us attempting to assist - it's a very important difference
REPEAT MY ORIGINAL COMMENT..... PEOPLE WHO POST TO MULTIPLE GROUPS
WITH THE SAME ENQUIRY DO SO IN ORDER TO GET THEIR QUESTION TO AS MANY
INFORMED PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, TO SOLVE THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUE
Click to expand...

And how is posting a question regarding *OFFICE* in a *WINDOWS* group
"getting the question to as many informed people as possible"?!
IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS OR IDEAS TO HELP SOMEBODY SOLVE
THEIR ISSUE, THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND YOUR FINGERS WRAPPED
AROUND YOUR COCK
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My cock - wow!! How did you know I lived on a farm?! But I wouldn't want to
keep my fingers wrapped around my cock as he's a bit bad tempered and likely
to peck. But I admire your clairvoyancy.


INSTEAD OF SENDING VULGAR DRIBBLE THRU TO THESE
GROUPS
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I didn't say anything vulgar - you don't even know the definition of the
word '****wit' do you - ergo, you are one.

****wit n.

A person who is not only lacking in clue but is apparently unable or
unwilling to acquire clue even when handed it on a plate in generous
portions.

Think that sums you up perfectly - in need of a few hard whacks round the
head (as well as other parts) with a clue-by-four.
 
|> EXCUSE ME!!!
|>
|> HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A ****WIT... I WAS MAKING A GENERAL COMMENT ON
|> PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT CROSS-POSTING / MULTI-POSTING... WHATEVER
|> THE **** YOU WANT TO CALL IT
|
|
|And you *STILL* haven't learnt that they're not the same thing - ergo you're
|a ****wit.
|
|>
|> I DID NOT DESERVE YOUR RESPONSE, AS I DID NOT DIRECT MY PREVIOUS POST
|> TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR - RATHER THE GROUPS AS A WHOLE
|
|Yes you did because I've never come across anyone less well qualified to
|comment on cross or multi-posting as you don't know the difference!
|
|
|> AS FOR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NAMES... WHO GIVES A SHIT....
|
|All of us attempting to assist - it's a very important difference
|
|>
|> REPEAT MY ORIGINAL COMMENT..... PEOPLE WHO POST TO MULTIPLE GROUPS
|> WITH THE SAME ENQUIRY DO SO IN ORDER TO GET THEIR QUESTION TO AS MANY
|> INFORMED PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, TO SOLVE THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUE
|
|And how is posting a question regarding *OFFICE* in a *WINDOWS* group
|"getting the question to as many informed people as possible"?!
|
|> IF YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS OR IDEAS TO HELP SOMEBODY SOLVE
|> THEIR ISSUE, THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND YOUR FINGERS WRAPPED
|> AROUND YOUR COCK
|
|
|My cock - wow!! How did you know I lived on a farm?! But I wouldn't want to
|keep my fingers wrapped around my cock as he's a bit bad tempered and likely
|to peck. But I admire your clairvoyancy.
|
|
|INSTEAD OF SENDING VULGAR DRIBBLE THRU TO THESE
|> GROUPS
|
|
|I didn't say anything vulgar - you don't even know the definition of the
|word '****wit' do you - ergo, you are one.
|
|****wit n.
|
|A person who is not only lacking in clue but is apparently unable or
|unwilling to acquire clue even when handed it on a plate in generous
|portions.
|
|Think that sums you up perfectly - in need of a few hard whacks round the
|head (as well as other parts) with a clue-by-four.
|
|> HAVE A HAPPY XMAS
|
|
|
|
|
I like it, I like it!
 
Sally, to answer your questions: First, I think that your goldfish may be
dead, that is why he is floating upside-down and will not play with you
anymore.

Second, although it may festive in this holiday time, it is generally not a
good idea to place electrical christmas decorations inside the tank when
filled with water. Thius is especially not good for the fish as you
unfortunatelly have found out.

Merry Christmas!
 
HMMM..... i still think there is a problem here

you replied with your diatribe to MY message - yet my question had NOTHING
to do with OFFICE

ergo: YOU are the ****wit for replying to the WRONG message

Happy Xmas
 
incidentally..... had you EVER considered that A LOT of the people who post
questions here are definitely NOT expert at the inner workings of Windows???
Hence, the reason for them posting questions here???

so my question to you is..... what does it REALLY matter if somebody knows
the difference between multi & cross posting???

I DO know the difference, but im puzzled why you would complain about some
newbie NOT knowing.

I repeat my original statement regarding yours and others comments....
people posting here do so using different programs/methods - eg: web based
or newsreader based.

They do so in order to ask questions, and hopefully, get a satisfactory
response with solutions to problems, or information to answer their queries

These NG's or DG's (dependent on each posters settings) are NOT designed to
breed anger or arguments, such as you have displayed

If you dont like cross or multi posts, then simply dont read them. Text
postings (as these groups support) are generally NOT very big, therefore,
should not pose a significant problem for readers download limits.

I agree with you that postings should only be cross-posted to a minimum of
relevant groups - I have no issue with your comments on that - however, the
tone and language and intention of your diatribe response, while being
incorrectly posted in response to the WRONG message, was totally offensive
and displays your ignorance of the fact the OTHER people are ignorant of the
facts which you so obviously are expert.

If you were truly expert on computer issues, then you would definitely
appreciate the fact that other people may NOT be as informed as yourself,
and you should be sympathetic to that fact and do your best to offer advice
and solutions, instead of complaining about the method used to post the
question in the first place

If you can NOT restrain yourself from complaining, then at least do it
politely and calmly, in a way that will not offend the newbies who annoy you
with their impertinance and ignorance
 
Hi, Sharon.

Me, too! :>(

But those who have never tried it (like Anon?) should take at least a quick
look. Then they might be more understanding (and forgiving) of newbies who
don't know and follow what we newsgroup veterans think of as common-sense
rules of the road. I try to take a look about once a month just to remind
myself. Within a half-hour, usually, I come running back to the familiar OE
interface, where I'm comfy.

After all, the newbies didn't design that Web-based interface. They are
just trying to cope with it well enough long enough to get a solution to
their problem.

RC
 
|incidentally..... had you EVER considered that A LOT of the people who post
|questions here are definitely NOT expert at the inner workings of Windows???
|Hence, the reason for them posting questions here???
|
|so my question to you is..... what does it REALLY matter if somebody knows
|the difference between multi & cross posting???
|

It matters for several reasons. A CROSSPOST gets all the replies in the
same place.

Most GOOD newsreaders (and this does NOT include OE) can be set to mark
crossposted messages read in other groups. So you don't keep seeing the
posts in the other groups.

Multi-posted messages do none of the above - they are just copies in all
the groups posted to and replies (and hence the thread) get fragmented.
 
Hi, Sharon.

Me, too! :>(

But those who have never tried it (like Anon?) should take at least a quick
look. Then they might be more understanding (and forgiving) of newbies who
don't know and follow what we newsgroup veterans think of as common-sense
rules of the road. I try to take a look about once a month just to remind
myself. Within a half-hour, usually, I come running back to the familiar OE
interface, where I'm comfy.

After all, the newbies didn't design that Web-based interface. They are
just trying to cope with it well enough long enough to get a solution to
their problem.
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Hi right back at ya, RC :)

The only good thing about the web interface is that it gets the newbies
*to* the newsgroups. FACT: Because they are newbies, no matter where or how
they show up, errors in newsgroup etiquette are going to happen. I
certainly agree with you that a generous portion of understanding and
tolerance should be implemented on their behalf.
 
R. C. White said:
Hi, Sharon.

Me, too! :>(

But those who have never tried it (like Anon?) should take at least a
quick look. Then they might be more understanding (and forgiving) of
newbies who don't know and follow what we newsgroup veterans think of
as common-sense rules of the road. I try to take a look about once a
month just to remind myself. Within a half-hour, usually, I come
running back to the familiar OE interface, where I'm comfy.
snip>>
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I've never used it even though some of the lads tell me to go have a look
but I don't think I'll bother, I'm quite happy using OE which I've done
right from the beginning. I can get confused enough without that <g>
Joan
 
Most GOOD newsreaders (and this does NOT include OE) can be set to mark
crossposted messages read in other groups. So you don't keep seeing the
posts in the other groups.
Click to expand...

If you read a cross-posted message in one newsgroup, OE marks it as read in
all the newsgroups to which it's cross-posted and so won't download it
again. You won't see it in the other groups of you have Current View set to
hide read messages and it doesn't cost those of you who pay for access by
the minute any more. As long as all the groups are relevant, there's really
no reason NOT to cross-post. Now, Multi-posting is a different matter
entirely.

Tom Lake
 
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