Norton spams

[Charley Kyd]

I've just installed SystemWorks 2003, which includes Norton Antivirus. Every
time the program detects a new virus in an email message it proudly spams my
workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

I tried to ask the McAfee folks whether they have the same problem. But they
insist that I fill out a two-page form about my computer, contact
information, and personal habits before they'll accept an email from me.

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

Thanks.

Charley

 

[FromTheRafters]

Every time the program detects a new virus in an email message it
proudly spams my...

That is not spam.

workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

I don't use that software, but I believe that it has been
mentioned before that there is a setting that allows you
to have it deal silently with its actions.

Double click on the icon in the system tray and look for
some sort of configuration options.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

That is not spam. It *is* annoying, but it is not "spam".

[snip]

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

They are all pretty good (they all suck), but you have to know how
to use them to the best of their ability.

 

[Fan]

Every time the program detects a new virus in an email message it
proudly spams my...

That is not spam.

workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

I don't use that software, but I believe that it has been
mentioned before that there is a setting that allows you
to have it deal silently with its actions.

Double click on the icon in the system tray and look for
some sort of configuration options.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

That is not spam. It *is* annoying, but it is not "spam".

[snip]

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

They are all pretty good (they all suck), but you have to know how
to use them to the best of their ability.

Why do you get so many viruses? I get upset if I get one a month. Are
you also upset with the people who are sending them and are you doing
anything about them? I couldn't tolerate that.

 

[FromTheRafters]

Every time the program detects a new virus in an email message it
proudly spams my...

That is not spam.

workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

I don't use that software, but I believe that it has been
mentioned before that there is a setting that allows you
to have it deal silently with its actions.

Double click on the icon in the system tray and look for
some sort of configuration options.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

That is not spam. It *is* annoying, but it is not "spam".

[snip]

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

They are all pretty good (they all suck), but you have to know how
to use them to the best of their ability.

Why do you get so many viruses?

I don't, it was that other poster ~ Charley. ;o)

I got four Swen (two pair) about a week or two after it was
discovered. Both were actually not Swen at all (they were
neutered enroute to me by Brightmail). Before that were
two Magistr variants and some Hybris from years ago.

I get upset if I get one a month.

I wouldn't mind getting some new stuff to look at every once
in a while ~ but they come in such large quantity - and that I
don't need.

Are you also upset with the people who are sending them

Yes, this really irks me the most!

and are you doing anything about them?

Trying to spread the word about safe computing practices.
Most of this is entirely preventable with just a little education.

[snip]

 

[Charley Kyd]

Of course it's spam!

In Excel, it would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell you that the number
you entered in cell B3 had successfully been entered in cell B3. In Word, it
would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell you when each new word was
successfully recognized and formatted in your document. In Windows, it would
be spam if a dialog popped up to tell you that application data had been
successfully cached to your hard drive. And in Norton, it's spam when a
dialog pops up to tell you that a program designed to find viruses had found
yet another a virus.

When any program repeatedly interrupts the user to announce that it's
performed the task it was purchased to do--that's spam.

Charley

Every time the program detects a new virus in an email message it
proudly spams my...

That is not spam.

workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

I don't use that software, but I believe that it has been
mentioned before that there is a setting that allows you
to have it deal silently with its actions.

Double click on the icon in the system tray and look for
some sort of configuration options.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

That is not spam. It *is* annoying, but it is not "spam".

[snip]

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

They are all pretty good (they all suck), but you have to know how
to use them to the best of their ability.

 

[Charley Kyd]

I get a lot of viruses because my email address is on a business web site. I
get well over 300 junk mail messages every day, and roughly 15% of them
contain viruses.

Charley

Every time the program detects a new virus in an email message it
proudly spams my...

That is not spam.

workspace with a dialog about it. Because I receive at least 50 messages a
day with viruses, this stupid dialog is a huge disruption.

I don't use that software, but I believe that it has been
mentioned before that there is a setting that allows you
to have it deal silently with its actions.

Double click on the icon in the system tray and look for
some sort of configuration options.

This problem is compounded by the Symantec policy of charging for all
support calls. I'm not going to pay Symantec to tell me how to stop their
program from spamming my system.

That is not spam. It *is* annoying, but it is not "spam".

[snip]

Is there any anti-virus company that provides a good product and is easy to
get along with?

They are all pretty good (they all suck), but you have to know how
to use them to the best of their ability.

Why do you get so many viruses? I get upset if I get one a month. Are
you also upset with the people who are sending them and are you doing
anything about them? I couldn't tolerate that.


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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named Charley Kyd:

Of course it's spam!

No. Spam is Unsolicited Commercial Email.

In Excel, it would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell you that
the number you entered in cell B3 had successfully been entered in
cell B3. In Word, it would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell
you when each new word was successfully recognized and formatted in
your document. In Windows, it would be spam if a dialog popped up
to tell you that application data had been successfully cached to
your hard drive.

No. That would be just... annoying. Very annoying, to be sure. I would
soon find another application.

And in Norton, it's spam when a dialog pops up to
tell you that a program designed to find viruses had found yet
another a virus.

It's still not /spam/. There has to be a reason your Norton is
creating so many dialogs that you're pissed. How/why do you get so
many viruses?

This needs to be addressed.

When any program repeatedly interrupts the user to announce that
it's performed the task it was purchased to do--that's spam.

No, spam is still Unsolicited Commercial Email. Unless of course, you
type it in caps: SPAM and then it's canned meat, 'cause in upper
case, it's trademarked.

You should stop using the word spam for things you don't like, other
than UCE. When your car announces ["Bing, bing, bing!"] that you left
your lights on, do you look over and holler "Damn spamming car!" It is
announcing what it was paid to do, just like Norton.

If you're unhappy with Norton, get another application.

Since it's mostly newbies who need anti-virus software, the
announcement is probably a good thing.

 

[Charley Kyd]

If you're unhappy with Norton, get another application.

Any recommendations?

Charley

Quoth the raven named Charley Kyd:

Of course it's spam!

No. Spam is Unsolicited Commercial Email.

In Excel, it would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell you that
the number you entered in cell B3 had successfully been entered in
cell B3. In Word, it would be spam if a dialog popped up to tell
you when each new word was successfully recognized and formatted in
your document. In Windows, it would be spam if a dialog popped up
to tell you that application data had been successfully cached to
your hard drive.

No. That would be just... annoying. Very annoying, to be sure. I would
soon find another application.

And in Norton, it's spam when a dialog pops up to
tell you that a program designed to find viruses had found yet
another a virus.

It's still not /spam/. There has to be a reason your Norton is
creating so many dialogs that you're pissed. How/why do you get so
many viruses?

This needs to be addressed.

When any program repeatedly interrupts the user to announce that
it's performed the task it was purchased to do--that's spam.

No, spam is still Unsolicited Commercial Email. Unless of course, you
type it in caps: SPAM and then it's canned meat, 'cause in upper
case, it's trademarked.

You should stop using the word spam for things you don't like, other
than UCE. When your car announces ["Bing, bing, bing!"] that you left
your lights on, do you look over and holler "Damn spamming car!" It is
announcing what it was paid to do, just like Norton.

If you're unhappy with Norton, get another application.

Since it's mostly newbies who need anti-virus software, the
announcement is probably a good thing.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named Charley Kyd:

Any recommendations?

Well, I've been using avast! for awhile now, and I'm pleased with it.

http://www.avast.com/i_idt_153.html

I saw in another post of yours that you get 300 spams and a bunch of
viruses every day. Regarding the viruses, with your experience with
them, by now you should be able to recognize them just by a glance at
the subject line, and perhaps who they are from. Just delete them; no
a-v program necessary.

Oh, and about publishing your address at a web site? If you have
control, obfuscate it in the code using a procedure like this:
http://alicorna.com/cgi/obfuscator.cgi

I use this all the time, and no address that began life in this format
has ever received any spam.

 

[FromTheRafters]

Of course it's spam!

Of course, in the same sense that a dirty mouse ball is a computer
virus. That "sense" being ~ *wrong*.

Look up the definition of "spam" and I doubt it will say "anything
that annoys Charley Kyd".

 

[Charley Kyd]

Look up the definition of "Spam" and you'll learn that it's a lunch meat
made from ham, which has been sold since WWII.

You're right. Strictly speaking, that blizzard of unwanted email messages
that I receive every day is "spam." But logically, a blizzard of unwanted
popup windows is a similar problem in a different form. It's a large
quantity of intrusive, unwanted, and disruptive...well, *stuff"...that's
sent to my computer. Whether it comes in the form of email, popups, or
intrusive dialog boxes doesn't really matter to me. "Spam" is the only word
we have that describes this general type of problem.

But if you don't want to call it "spam", I won't argue the point. Either the
meaning of the word will expand with common usage or it won't. And neither
of us will have much to say about it.

All the best,

Charley

 

[Charley Kyd]

What a great idea! Your solution is obvious once it's seen! I wish I had
thought of it years ago.

All the best,

Charley

 

[FromTheRafters]

Look up the definition of "Spam" and you'll learn that it's a lunch meat
made from ham, which has been sold since WWII.

It is actually pretty good stuff.

You're right. Strictly speaking, that blizzard of unwanted email messages
that I receive every day is "spam."

Yeah, and the definition has been (sort of) extended to include
usenet posts, and other things (messenger spam), as well as e-
mail.

But logically, a blizzard of unwanted
popup windows is a similar problem in a different form.

True, but you fight *real* spam differently than you fight
"pop-ups" and the like. People who fight spam will likely
not have any solution for your AV or your personal firewall
"spamming" you with alert boxes.

It's a large
quantity of intrusive, unwanted, and disruptive...well, *stuff"...that's
sent to my computer. Whether it comes in the form of email, popups, or
intrusive dialog boxes doesn't really matter to me. "Spam" is the only word
we have that describes this general type of problem.

Okay, then we need another word because "spam" describes
another totally different problem altogether.

But if you don't want to call it "spam", I won't argue the point.

Okay. I just thought it might help to get the terminology straight.
Norton spam describes those e-mails you get from unscrupulous
resellers of their product (at least I hope so), and not your lack
of familiarity with their product's configuration options.

If you were constantly getting a BSOD from Windows, it wouldn't
help you much to search for solutions to "Windows spam" would it?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named FromTheRafters:

It is actually pretty good stuff.

Fried, with cheese. A lovely lunch! <g> Sometimes I grill it.

Actually, the meat product is SPAM as I mentioned earlier. The
trademark is on the word all in uppercase.
http://spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm third paragraph

....

Okay, then we need another word because "spam" describes another
totally different problem altogether.

I hereby submit the word: APPDUNG

Sorry, I couldn't think of a single-syllable word at the moment.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Quoth the raven named Charley Kyd:

What a great idea! Your solution is obvious once it's seen! I wish
I had thought of it years ago.

Actually, I wish Mr. alicorna had included the "mailto:" within the
encoding. You could probably replace those seven characters with
mailto:

...and then bots that may search for the mailto word are stymied. This
is what I do on my sites.