Non standard CPU fan

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Hi,

My CPU fan is failing fast - it starts at less than 600rpm and gradually
works its way up to 1800ish RPM whereas it should run at 2500rpm. It gets
worse on a daily basis. I've taken it out and cleaned it to no avail. I
know I can oil it but it will only be a matter of time before it fails
again.

I'd like to buy a new fan BUT it's a very non-standard fitting.

The whole heatsink/cooler unit is one of these http://tinyurl.com/yvh2wl
(the link is to a shop which now seems to be out of business) and the screws
are placed in a rectangular formation rather than square.

I'm not keen to replace the whole unit as the heatsink is fine and I
understand that there is some risk with this process but as I can't get hold
of a suitable fan has anybody got any suggestions which may help me?

Thanks,

Kroma
 
Kroma said:
Hi,

My CPU fan is failing fast - it starts at less than 600rpm and gradually
works its way up to 1800ish RPM whereas it should run at 2500rpm. It gets
worse on a daily basis. I've taken it out and cleaned it to no avail. I
know I can oil it but it will only be a matter of time before it fails
again.

I'd like to buy a new fan BUT it's a very non-standard fitting.

The whole heatsink/cooler unit is one of these http://tinyurl.com/yvh2wl
(the link is to a shop which now seems to be out of business) and the screws
are placed in a rectangular formation rather than square.

I'm not keen to replace the whole unit as the heatsink is fine and I
understand that there is some risk with this process but as I can't get hold
of a suitable fan has anybody got any suggestions which may help me?



Here is what I've done from time to time. It works absolutely fine...
but it's an add-ball solution.

I remove the old fan and clean the dust from the heat-sink fins.
Then a make a bracket from some spare sheet metal scraps...
and mount a *case fan* directly above the cpu cooler with the air flow
directed
downwards toward the cpu.
About 1/4 inch above the cpu cooler will do fine.
(Fan bracket is mounted to the cabinet...usually in an existing hole)

In the ones I've done...the fan runs slower (and thus quieter) than the
original fan...
yet has ...if anything...better cooling.

I've had a number of machines running for many years now and have not had a
problem...
though I'll be the first to admit it may look a little funny!
 
Kroma said:
Hi,

My CPU fan is failing fast - it starts at less than 600rpm and gradually
works its way up to 1800ish RPM whereas it should run at 2500rpm. It
gets worse on a daily basis. I've taken it out and cleaned it to no
avail. I know I can oil it but it will only be a matter of time before it
fails again.

I'd like to buy a new fan BUT it's a very non-standard fitting.

The whole heatsink/cooler unit is one of these http://tinyurl.com/yvh2wl
(the link is to a shop which now seems to be out of business) and the
screws are placed in a rectangular formation rather than square.

I'm not keen to replace the whole unit as the heatsink is fine and I
understand that there is some risk with this process but as I can't get
hold of a suitable fan has anybody got any suggestions which may help me?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=353438
 
Hi,

My CPU fan is failing fast - it starts at less than 600rpm and gradually
works its way up to 1800ish RPM whereas it should run at 2500rpm. It gets
worse on a daily basis. I've taken it out and cleaned it to no avail. I
know I can oil it but it will only be a matter of time before it fails
again.

False logic.
If you had oiled it in the first place, it might've ran just
as long as it did the first tour of duty, and you wouldn't
be risking complete fan failure by continually using it.

Either lube it, or left the system turned off till you had a
replacement. If you want to avoid this situation in the
future, either buy a decent dual ball bearing fan, or lube
the sleeve bearing fan next time instead of letting it run
until it's dry.


I'd like to buy a new fan BUT it's a very non-standard fitting.

The whole heatsink/cooler unit is one of these http://tinyurl.com/yvh2wl
(the link is to a shop which now seems to be out of business) and the screws
are placed in a rectangular formation rather than square.

It's an odd shape, but is it an odd dimension (width) or a
standard 60 or 80mm, or less common but still obtainable,
70mm?
It looks like it might be possible to attach a normal fan,
with different screws or wire-ties to hold it down if
necessary. It might require taking the plastic frame on the
bottom off too.

I'm not keen to replace the whole unit as the heatsink is fine and I
understand that there is some risk with this process but as I can't get hold
of a suitable fan has anybody got any suggestions which may help me?


You can lube the current fan or replace it with closest size
standard fan, there is nothing exceptionally difficult about
what you're trying to do. If you lube it, use heavy weight
oil not very thin and it will run for quite a long time,
"IF" you hadn't let it run for so long like it was... so now
it's life depends on just how bad it is, but any way you
look at it, if you are going to keep using the system it
should be lubed immediately, as a preventative measure until
you can install a replacement fan or heatsink-fan combo.

The situation you are facing is a good reason not to buy
heatsinks that use proprietary fans. However, some of
Arctic Cooling's products have a fairly long warranty, you
might contact them and see if they can send you a fan if you
want another one just like it - but frankly since it is
failing and you dont like to relube it, it would seem better
to get a fan that isn't subject to this short lifespan
instead.
 
Here is what I've done from time to time. It works absolutely fine...
but it's an add-ball solution.

I remove the old fan and clean the dust from the heat-sink fins.
Then a make a bracket from some spare sheet metal scraps...
and mount a *case fan* directly above the cpu cooler with the air flow
directed
downwards toward the cpu.
About 1/4 inch above the cpu cooler will do fine.
(Fan bracket is mounted to the cabinet...usually in an existing hole)

In the ones I've done...the fan runs slower (and thus quieter) than the
original fan...
yet has ...if anything...better cooling.

I've had a number of machines running for many years now and have not had
a
problem...
though I'll be the first to admit it may look a little funny!

I'm coming to the conclusion that this is my only option now. Maybe I could
take the current fan to bits, saw the 'frame' down to half the width with a
hacksaw and attach a new case fan to it (with electrical tape?) then, create
a sandwich of old fan frame - new fan - heatsink? I may need to chop off a
few bits of the new fan frame to allow space for the screws though. This
way I can put the screws in their current places.

It will look funny but I don't mind - hopefully the case will remain firmly
shut until I next upgrade my memory.

Kroma
 
Either lube it, or left the system turned off till you had a
replacement. If you want to avoid this situation in the
future, either buy a decent dual ball bearing fan, or lube
the sleeve bearing fan next time instead of letting it run
until it's dry.

I know, I know. I didn't fit this, it came with my PC. I've never had to
upgrade, swap or even touch my cooling system before and there was no
warning that it had started to fail (no noises or anything) until my
motherboard started to warn me.
The situation you are facing is a good reason not to buy
heatsinks that use proprietary fans. However, some of
Arctic Cooling's products have a fairly long warranty, you
might contact them and see if they can send you a fan if you
want another one just like it - but frankly since it is
failing and you dont like to relube it, it would seem better
to get a fan that isn't subject to this short lifespan
instead.

I have contacted Arctic and they pointed me to an ebay store of theirs.
Unfortunately, it lists many fans but not this specific one.

Kroma
 
I'm coming to the conclusion that this is my only option now. Maybe I could
take the current fan to bits, saw the 'frame' down to half the width with a
hacksaw and attach a new case fan to it (with electrical tape?) then, create
a sandwich of old fan frame - new fan - heatsink? I may need to chop off a
few bits of the new fan frame to allow space for the screws though. This
way I can put the screws in their current places.

It will look funny but I don't mind - hopefully the case will remain firmly
shut until I next upgrade my memory.



As long as it works, that's all that matters
however it would not really be all that big a job not too expensive to just
replace the entire
cpu cooler assemby with a new one
 
I know, I know. I didn't fit this, it came with my PC. I've never had to
upgrade, swap or even touch my cooling system before and there was no
warning that it had started to fail (no noises or anything) until my
motherboard started to warn me.

.... you write that you know, but you don't write that you
lubed the fan, rather that it's still struggling to fail...
so I'm not quite sure if you know the main point I was
making... that it's only a two minute job.
I have contacted Arctic and they pointed me to an ebay store of theirs.
Unfortunately, it lists many fans but not this specific one.


Did you measure the mounting dimensions?
Like I wrote previously, it's probably a standard size, just
an unusual looking frame, so a standard fan might work fine,
merely needing different screws "maybe" (It's hard to tell
from the linked picture as it isn't very good nor very
informative).
 
Hi,

My CPU fan is failing fast - <snip>
I'm not keen to replace the whole unit as the heatsink is fine
<snip>

the heatsink itself - a chunk of metal, doesn't normally fail. Not to
my knowledge anyway!

Why exactly don't you want to replace the "whole unit"/HSF?
Replacing the HSF is standard procedure.

Personally, i'd probably buy a new one than even go through the hassle
of oiling the thing! Infact i'd probably have bought a second one
initially anyway as a spare. And MAYBE oil the broken one - for fun.

What do you do when your hard drive or motherboard dies? get out a
soldering iron? More power to you if you can do it. But how long does
it take? 10 hours ? 2 weeks? a month of sundays?
 
You HAVE to replace the heatsink/fan assembly as a unit. They are designed
to work effectively together.
 
Wrong AGAIN, Dave.

Many heatsinks use standard fans and can simply be replaced by unclipping or
unscrewing the fan from the heatsink. There are even heatsinks where you
need to purchase a fan seperately.

***IF*** you can find a replacement fan of the same dimensions and with the
same connector, you should be able to swap it. If it's a custom designed fan
for the heatsink, then a replacement is NOT worth looking into.
 
<snip>

the heatsink itself - a chunk of metal, doesn't normally fail. Not to
my knowledge anyway!

Why exactly don't you want to replace the "whole unit"/HSF?
Replacing the HSF is standard procedure.

Personally, i'd probably buy a new one than even go through the hassle
of oiling the thing! Infact i'd probably have bought a second one
initially anyway as a spare. And MAYBE oil the broken one - for fun.

Oiling a fan takes about 2 minutes. Over half that time is
unscrewing it and then mounting it again, or finding the
best oil available on-premises if you don't know what or
where it is.

Oiling sleeve bearing fans is a common practice as it has
been for over half a century. Any sleeve bearing fan should
be relubed for longest life with rare exceptions being
permanently sealed types, which are to be avoided unless
exceptionally high quality to the extent you could expect
them to last longer than the viable life of the equipment
they're used in.

A properly relubed fan can subsequently last longer than it
did during the period from brand new until first lubed. The
important distinction is whether it is relubed soon enough,
rather than left running until the bearing is deformed too
much, it will go out of round at which point a minor fan hub
imbalance can become excessive in operation, and the
additional motion can pump out lubricant at an excessive
rate unless it is an unusual fan with a large lubricant
reservoir.

I'm not trying to talk anyone out of replacing a fan though,
if it is replaced with a high quality fan that is ultimately
the best solution... but until that happens it seems the
system in question here needed to stay running, so the more
immediate factor is weighing the trivial amount of time it
takes to put a drop of heavy oil in it, versus the change
the fan will stop working entirely and the part will
overheat.

It's quite common for a failing fan to keep running until
the system is turned off, allowed to cool then turned on
again- at which point the fan is seized and more trouble to
relube, and easier to overlook since it is then quiet.
Hopefully if this situation occurs the system has an
overheat shutdown protection if not an additional fan RPM
signal and actively monitoring sense software or bios.


What do you do when your hard drive or motherboard dies? get out a
soldering iron? More power to you if you can do it. But how long does
it take? 10 hours ? 2 weeks? a month of sundays?

Depends on the problem, I get failed equipment all the time
and when it is reasonable to fix with a soldering iron, it
gets put on a stack of "to do" projects and the needed parts
added to a list for the next order from an electronics
house. Emphasis being on time spent per item, not on how
soon after failed that it's repaired. Something like failed
motherboard caps might take 1 hour total, if discounting the
time taken to pull the board out of a case (since the case
would be reused anyway, usually, repaired or not the board
was going to be pulled) and to retest it (since any new
board, instead of the repaired board, would also be tested
to confirm stable operation before deployed).

Obviously it's not the solution for a single user, single
computer scenario... couldn't be time or cost effective to
plan like that, but to safeguard against such failures and
have a system back up in shortest period of time, one would
have to have replacement parts on hand already which gets
expensive too, prohibitively so if the system can remain
offline for long enough to get a part rapidly shipped from a
seller known to get orders processed quickly.
 
Wrong AGAIN, Dave.

Many heatsinks use standard fans and can simply be replaced by unclipping or
unscrewing the fan from the heatsink. There are even heatsinks where you
need to purchase a fan seperately.

***IF*** you can find a replacement fan of the same dimensions and with the
same connector, you should be able to swap it. If it's a custom designed fan
for the heatsink, then a replacement is NOT worth looking into.


There are a lot of alternatives, some of them only limited
by one's imagination and abilities.

In some cases where an emergency fix was needed, I've even
taken a 'sink and drilled out a hole in the 4 corners of the
fins and just strapped a fan on with nylon ties or < 18 ga.
solid wire. It doesn't look pretty but can work fine long
term, even better than getting a wierd failure-prone
original replacement fan in some instances.
 
The fan totally packed up last night. I turned the PC on and left it for a
while to let the fan build up a bit of speed. When I returned, expecting it
to be ready to restart, the BIOS was still reporting a speed of 0RPM (which
it turns out can be anything up to 600RPM) and a CPU temp of 75 degrees. I
knew this would't hurt my P4 (as it will go into safety mode at 81 degrees)
but it shocked me - the PC wasn't even doing anything apart from displaying
the BIOS.

I mulled it over during the morning and, well, I can't believe it but I've
sorted the problem.

I went out and bought an asaka 80mm case fan. I compared the holes in the
fan to those on the old fan. They were quite a bit out. I thought that if
I fitted the fan slightly rotated it might line up with the screw holes, but
alas no.

So I took my trusty drill, placed the old fan on top of the new and
carefully drilled away.

The new fan fitted nicely on the heatsink (albeit with 2 screws instead of 4
as I avoided drilling one of the holes as it would have passed through a
wire and the third hole didn't line up properly), the PC was turned on and
the BIOS reported about 2400RPM.

A reboot has taken me straight to WindowsXP and here I am writing this
message.

As I write, the motherboard temp is 35 degrees, the CPU temp is 38 degrees
and my new fan is still spinning away at 2410RPM. Hey - the CPU temp has
just gone below 30 degrees - that's better than with the old fan working
properly.

I'll check that everything is still nicely secure in a day or so but I'm
chuffed so far!

Thanks for the help everybody (except for the doom-mongers)!

Cheers,

Kroma
 
Kroma said:
The fan totally packed up last night. I turned the PC on and left it for
a while to let the fan build up a bit of speed. When I returned, expecting
it to be ready to restart, the BIOS was still reporting a speed of 0RPM
(which it turns out can be anything up to 600RPM) and a CPU temp of 75
degrees. I knew this would't hurt my P4 (as it will go into safety mode
at 81 degrees) but it shocked me - the PC wasn't even doing anything apart
from displaying the BIOS.

I mulled it over during the morning and, well, I can't believe it but I've
sorted the problem.

I went out and bought an asaka 80mm case fan. I compared the holes in the
fan to those on the old fan. They were quite a bit out. I thought that
if I fitted the fan slightly rotated it might line up with the screw
holes, but alas no.

So I took my trusty drill, placed the old fan on top of the new and
carefully drilled away.

The new fan fitted nicely on the heatsink (albeit with 2 screws instead of
4 as I avoided drilling one of the holes as it would have passed through a
wire and the third hole didn't line up properly), the PC was turned on and
the BIOS reported about 2400RPM.

A reboot has taken me straight to WindowsXP and here I am writing this
message.

As I write, the motherboard temp is 35 degrees, the CPU temp is 38 degrees
and my new fan is still spinning away at 2410RPM. Hey - the CPU temp has
just gone below 30 degrees - that's better than with the old fan working
properly.

I'll check that everything is still nicely secure in a day or so but I'm
chuffed so far!
It`s nice to hear of a success story <g>.
Well done that man.
 
Thanks for the help everybody (except for the doom-mongers)!


Glad to hear you got it sorted, but what's a doom monger?
Someone who thinks it a bad idea to leave a system with a
known-failing fan running because it's supposed to shut off
after it has overheated?

I just don't understand it, what the big deal was about
taking 2 minutes to put a drop of oil in it. If your new
fan is also of similar construction quality with a sleeve
bearing, it too may need lubed or replaced eventually... but
a couple drops of thick oil every year or two is less work
than having to replace the whole thing.
 
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