No start after re-install.

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I had to reformat and reload XP on a new HDD. After all was said and done,
the OS continues to hang when starting. I have reformatted and reloaded
three times with the same result. I install the OS, reboot, all is fine. I
install the MS Office suite, reboot, all is fine. It'll reboot ok, but shut
it off and re start, and it hangs.
Any ideas? Even safe mode fails to go. I'm getting frustrated.

Thanks for the help.
 
I'm sure exactly what you're saying, because a new hard drive doesn't need
to be formatted - it already is formatted.

Also, "hang" is not a very descriptive term. What exactly does your computer
do, or not do? Do you see any error messages? Any notations in Event Viewer?

You say that you installed XP and Office...how about antivirus software? or
a spyware detector? or a firewall? or Windows Update? It can take much less
than a minute for your computer to become compromised if you don't take
steps to protect it.

If you can't even start in Safe Mode you may have a boot virus. Or maybe
your problem has nothing to do with software: You might have bad RAM, a
failing hard disk or your computer may be overheating.

There are just too many possibilities. You need to narrow them down for us,
and for yourself.

Ted Zieglar
 
I had a very similar issue with a driver "update" from Windowsupdate. I
reformatted the computer several times and every time, I would scream
through boot up, then run Windows Update and it was actually installing the
"latest" signed driver for a firewire/USB/NIC Combo card from SIIG (31x2 to
be exact). It was in fact the latest driver available from the vendor also,
but the driver installed with base XP install worked just fine. I now have
everything working fine, just whenever I go to Windows Update, I just skip
right past the drivers.

By the way for those who will tell you that you can always roll back the
driver update, I know that this feature is "available" but it does NOT work
with this peice of hardware.

Neither Microsoft nor SIIG would offer any help with this issue but when I
removed the hardware from the box, everything started up quick as ever.

Now I am running on older drivers and everything is working great.

hope this helped.

RW
 
I'm sure exactly what you're saying, because a new hard drive doesn't
need to be formatted - it already is formatted.


That's very misleading, where do you buy your new drives?

I have never bought a HD that didn't need both partitioning and
formatting before use.
 
I buy my hard drives in stores. They are already low level formatted, and as
such do not need to be reformatted before installing XP. If I was to
purchase a second hand drive - something I personally do not do - I would
perform a low level format before installing the OS.

I didn't say that a new drive does not need to be partitioned.

Ted Zieglar
 
doesn't >> need to be formatted - it already is formatted.

Top posting corrected
I buy my hard drives in stores. They are already low level formatted,
and as such do not need to be reformatted before installing XP. If I
was to purchase a second hand drive - something I personally do not
do - I would perform a low level format before installing the OS.

I didn't say that a new drive does not need to be partitioned.


I think you're wriggling, you didn't mention a low level format.

All new drives certainly do have to be formatted before you can use any
OS, and it's mis-leading to suggest they don't. They can be formatted
(and partitioned to some extent) by XP as part of the installation
process. How would you install XP on an un-formatted drive?
 
The drive is a Western Digital 120 GB.(new) I partitioned a 20 GB area to
load Win XP. I formatted that area with FAT32. This is where I loaded the
software. When I say it hangs, that's what it does. It stops the boot
process in both safe mode and normal mode. In hasn't been on the internet
yet to become compromised so I don't believe it's a virus. There is 1 GB of
system RAM and it's been fine.(I'm adding the drive to this system to
increase capacity. Used the old drive elsewhere and it is unavailable.) All
cooling fans including the CPU fan appear to be working (especially since the
case is open, it should be cool enough.) Thanks for the help, all ideas are
welcome.

Jim
 
The drive is a Western Digital 120 GB.(new) I partitioned a 20 GB
area to load Win XP. I formatted that area with FAT32. This is
where I loaded the software. When I say it hangs, that's what it
does. It stops the boot process in both safe mode and normal mode.
In hasn't been on the internet yet to become compromised so I don't
believe it's a virus. There is 1 GB of system RAM and it's been
fine.(I'm adding the drive to this system to increase capacity. Used
the old drive elsewhere and it is unavailable.) All cooling fans
including the CPU fan appear to be working (especially since the case
is open, it should be cool enough.) Thanks for the help, all ideas
are welcome.

Jim


Jim

Did you do the partitioning/formatting outside of XP, i.e. by booting
from some sort of recovery / DOS disk?

If so did you mark the partition as 'active', DOS fdisk doesn't do this
unless you choose to use the whole drive.
 
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Ted Zieglar said:
I buy my hard drives in stores. They are already low level
formatted,


Yes, but you're using these terms in an unusual highly personal
way. The term "formatted," used by itself, never refers to
low-level formatting.

and as such do not need to be reformatted before installing XP.


All drives need to be partitioned and then each partition needs
to be formatted (remember that plain "formatting" does not refer
to low-level formatting) before use. What's apparently confusing
you here is that a normal Windows XP clean installation both
partitions and formats as part of that installation. In contrast,
in MS-DOS and Windows 9X, you did these as separate steps before
starting the operating system installation. And even with Windows
XP, you still can do them as separate steps, and sometimes you
*have* to do it that way; for example if you want to have a FAT32
partition larger than 32GB, Windows XP won't create it and your
only choice is to first manually partition that way and then
format it.

If I
was to purchase a second hand drive - something I personally do
not
do - I would perform a low level format before installing the
OS.


No, you can *not* do this. A number of years ago, it was possible
to low-level format drives yourself, but on today's modern drives
it's strictly a factory procedure. Any attempt to do this
yourself would result in ruining the drive.

What you *can* do yourself is zero-fill the tracks of the drive.
Unfortunately some people refer to this as low-level formatting,
but it is not that at all.

Returning to the subject of formatting (not low-level formatting)
it's actually partitions, not drives, that have to be formatted;
each partition that's created on the drive has to be formatted
separately. Neither partitioning nor formatting is normally done
before you buy the drive because the manufacturer doesn't know
what operating system you're going to use it with, how many
partitions you want, what size they should be, nor what file
system they should use.
 
"No, you can *not* do this. A number of years ago, it was possible to
low-level format drives yourself, but on today's modern drives it's strictly
a factory procedure. Any attempt to do this yourself would result in ruining
the drive."

Boy, some of us woke up in a bad mood today!

"How Do I Low Level Format an ATA (IDE) Hard Drive?"
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/ata_llfmt_what.html

Ted Zieglar
 
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Ted Zieglar said:
"No, you can *not* do this. A number of years ago, it was
possible to
low-level format drives yourself, but on today's modern drives
it's
strictly a factory procedure. Any attempt to do this yourself
would
result in ruining the drive."

Boy, some of us woke up in a bad mood today!


Sorry if I sounded overly agressive. It wasn't my intent--I was
just trying to clarify the situation.


"How Do I Low Level Format an ATA (IDE) Hard Drive?"
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/ata_llfmt_what.html


This says almost exactly the same thing I did. It says "Actually
the term "low level" is a bit of a misnomer. The low level
process first used years ago in MFM hard drives bears little
resemblance to what we now call a "low level format" for today's
ATA (IDE) drives. The only safe method of initializing all the
data on a Seagate device is the Zero Fill option in DiscWizard
Starter Edition."

The point is that what you were calling formatting is not
formatting, and not even low-level formatting. It's zero-filling.
 
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