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i just got this used pc it has windows media on it that leads me t
believe it had sound. i checked device mng. it is all good, checke
volume controls thats good. tryed speakers from my other computer the
work but not on this pc. so can someone help me troubleshoot my soun
please thanks in advance! my email is (e-mail address removed)
 
bonnieduyyek said:
i just got this used pc it has windows media on it that leads me to
believe it had sound. i checked device mng. it is all good, checked
volume controls thats good. tryed speakers from my other computer they
work but not on this pc. so can someone help me troubleshoot my sound
please thanks in advance! my email is [redacted]

Unless you want tons more spam, it's a bad idea to post your real unmunged
email address in newsgroups.

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/munad.htm - how to munge email address

With a used computer, the first order of business is to do a clean install
of Windows. You have no idea what is on that machine.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Reinstalling_Windows - What
you will need on-hand

Even if you don't do a clean install, you will need to try installing
drivers for your sound card. Here is general information about drivers:

Never get drivers from Windows Update. Get them from:

1. The device mftr.'s website; OR
2. The motherboard mftr.'s website if hardware is onboard; OR
3. The OEM's website for your specific machine if you have an OEM computer
(HP, Dell, Sony, etc.).

Read the installation instructions on the website where you get the drivers.

To find out what hardware is in your computer:

1. Read any documentation you got when you bought the computer.
2. If the computer is OEM, go to the OEM's website for your specific model
machine and look at the specs (you'll be there to get the drivers anyway)
3. Download, install and run a free system inventory program like Belarc
Advisor or System Information for Windows.

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html - Belarc Advisor
http://www.gtopala.com/ - System Information for Windows

Malke
 
bonnieduyyek;3213989 said:
i just got this used pc it has windows media on it that leads me t
believe it had sound. i checked device manager. it is all good, checke
volume controls thats good. tryed speakers from my other computer the
work but not on this pc. so can someone help me troubleshoot my soun
please thanks in advance! my email is (e-mail address removed)
it does have a clean install of windows i bought this from a use
computer store. and i went tru driver update in device manager it sai
they are up to date. on the back it had a model # i looked it up an
this is what i got

PATRIOT BK630E
p.s. this pc looks like a vcr. not a tower. hope this helps
 
bonnieduyyek said:
it does have a clean install of windows i bought this from a used
computer store. and i went tru driver update in device manager it said
they are up to date. on the back it had a model # i looked it up and
this is what i got

PATRIOT BK630E
p.s. this pc looks like a vcr. not a tower. hope this helps.

I already told you how to find out what drivers are in your system. You need
to either get sound card drivers from the sound card mftr., the motherboard
mftr. if sound is onboard, or the OEM's website if it is that sort of
machine (Dell, HP, etc.). Please refer to my previous post.

Malke
 
bonnieduyyek said:
it does have a clean install of windows i bought this from a used
computer store. and i went tru driver update in device manager it said
they are up to date. on the back it had a model # i looked it up and
this is what i got

PATRIOT BK630E
p.s. this pc looks like a vcr. not a tower. hope this helps.

You should follow Malke's advice and run Belarc or equivalent.
That will return the enumeration information for the motherboard.

A tool I like, is Lavalys Everest, and the free version is here.

EVEREST Free Edition 2.20
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Now, if you were to install that, run it, then look in
Devices:PCI_Devices, you're going to see...

Field Value
Device Description C-Media CMI8738/C3DX Audio Device

The reason I'm guessing that, is I found a match for your product
here. The motherboard may be Amptron (or ECS). With some of these
boards, they're made under contract by one company, and branded
by another. At least the form factor (PCBOOK) looks close. I
even see a CMedia chip near the mustard colored game port connector.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010312004703/http://www.amptron.com/html/bk630es.html

The archive didn't take a snapshot of the drivers, which is unfortunate.
The 8738 on your board, is used both for sound and also (somehow)
to run a modem. A separate PCTel driver helps with running the
modem. So it would have been better, to get the drivers from
Amptron, if they'd been saved.

Normally, I'd direct you to the CMedia web site, but the Creative
company (of SoundBlaster fame) has pulled a "patent troll", buying
a company and the rights to some technology, which has forced CMedia
to remove all the drivers from their site. So you don't even have
the convenience of going to the source, to get a driver. There are
still drivers around, but you're going to have to search for them.

(No drivers - it would be a miracle if drivers came back to this site)
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver_tmp

The nearest equivalent on the ECS site, isn't recent enough. (Line
manually wrapped. Make one line in a text editor.)

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Downloads/ProductsDetail_Download.aspx?
detailid=221&DetailName=Driver&DetailDesc=BKS630%20%20(V1.5)&CategoryID=4&MenuID=91&LanID=4

This is the ECS download. It is for Win2K, and I downloaded it, just
so I could compare INF files.

http://download.ecsusa.com/dlfileecs/driver/bk/sound/cmedia/8738w2kme.zip

On the Asus site, this is a CMI8738 driver for A7V333 motherboard.
This driver package is labeled as WinXP, and is a slightly later
version.

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/misc/audio/c-media/cm275a_wxp.zip

or go here to the Audio link

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=A7V333

To see whether the driver is a candidate or not, you can check
the Subsystem value in Everest, and compare to the numbers in
the INF file. For example, this is the data for my CMI8738 from
Everest (meaning my card is rather generic).

Device ID 13F6-0111
Subsystem ID 13F6-0111

The Device and Subsystem have to match an entry in CMAUDIO.INF.
If it didn't match, that would suggest some other driver would
be needed.

I have a CMI8738 plugged into my current computer (because the
HDAudio is not working), and I had to use a Hercules driver CD
that I had for another CMI8738 based card, to get it to work.
And the installation wasn't completely happy (the installer
complained a bit). But the sound works just fine (even EAX
in games). I used the old CD, because I didn't want to
search for candidates :-)

One of the annoyances of the CMedia driver, is it doesn't have
a nice installer. So there won't be an Add/Remove entry for it.
In previous tries, I haven't been able to completely remove
the driver. I used Autoruns to try to remove Mixer.exe, but
it still seems to come back.

Maybe you'll find a better match somewhere.

Good luck (with the experiments),
Paul
 
Paul;3214654 said:
bonnieduyyek wrote:-
bonnieduyyek;3213989 Wrote: -
i just got this used pc it has windows media on it that leads me to
believe it had sound. i checked device manager. it is all good,
checked
volume controls thats good. tryed speakers from my other computer
they
work but not on this pc. so can someone help me troubleshoot my sound
please thanks in advance! my email is (e-mail address removed)-
it does have a clean install of windows i bought this from a used
computer store. and i went tru driver update in device manager it
said
they are up to date. on the back it had a model # i looked it up and
this is what i got

PATRIOT BK630E
p.s. this pc looks like a vcr. not a tower. hope this helps.
-

You should follow Malke's advice and run Belarc or equivalent.
That will return the enumeration information for the motherboard.

A tool I like, is Lavalys Everest, and the free version is here.

EVEREST Free Edition 2.20
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Now, if you were to install that, run it, then look in
Devices:PCI_Devices, you're going to see...

Field Value
Device Description C-Media CMI8738/C3DX Audio Device

The reason I'm guessing that, is I found a match for your product
here. The motherboard may be Amptron (or ECS). With some of these
boards, they're made under contract by one company, and branded
by another. At least the form factor (PCBOOK) looks close. I
even see a CMedia chip near the mustard colored game port connector.

http://tinyurl.com/6cjyol

The archive didn't take a snapshot of the drivers, which is
unfortunate.
The 8738 on your board, is used both for sound and also (somehow)
to run a modem. A separate PCTel driver helps with running the
modem. So it would have been better, to get the drivers from
Amptron, if they'd been saved.

Normally, I'd direct you to the CMedia web site, but the Creative
company (of SoundBlaster fame) has pulled a "patent troll", buying
a company and the rights to some technology, which has forced CMedia
to remove all the drivers from their site. So you don't even have
the convenience of going to the source, to get a driver. There are
still drivers around, but you're going to have to search for them.

(No drivers - it would be a miracle if drivers came back to this site)
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver_tmp

The nearest equivalent on the ECS site, isn't recent enough. (Line
manually wrapped. Make one line in a text editor.)

http://tinyurl.com/5ve6m5

detailid=221&DetailName=Driver&DetailDesc=BKS630%20%20(V1.5)&CategoryID=4&MenuID=91&LanID=4

This is the ECS download. It is for Win2K, and I downloaded it, just
so I could compare INF files.

http://tinyurl.com/6y2oa8

On the Asus site, this is a CMI8738 driver for A7V333 motherboard.
This driver package is labeled as WinXP, and is a slightly later
version.

http://tinyurl.com/6f7jco

or go here to the Audio link

http://tinyurl.com/39h2te

To see whether the driver is a candidate or not, you can check
the Subsystem value in Everest, and compare to the numbers in
the INF file. For example, this is the data for my CMI8738 from
Everest (meaning my card is rather generic).

Device ID 13F6-0111
Subsystem ID 13F6-0111

The Device and Subsystem have to match an entry in CMAUDIO.INF.
If it didn't match, that would suggest some other driver would
be needed.

I have a CMI8738 plugged into my current computer (because the
HDAudio is not working), and I had to use a Hercules driver CD
that I had for another CMI8738 based card, to get it to work.
And the installation wasn't completely happy (the installer
complained a bit). But the sound works just fine (even EAX
in games). I used the old CD, because I didn't want to
search for candidates :-)

One of the annoyances of the CMedia driver, is it doesn't have
a nice installer. So there won't be an Add/Remove entry for it.
In previous tries, I haven't been able to completely remove
the driver. I used Autoruns to try to remove Mixer.exe, but
it still seems to come back.

Maybe you'll find a better match somewhere.

Good luck (with the experiments),
Paul

malke and paul thank you so much for taking the time to help me i will
follow your advice and hopefully i do it rite and get my sound back.
again thank you!
 
bonnieduyyek said:
malke and paul thank you so much for taking the time to help me i will
follow your advice and hopefully i do it rite and get my sound back.
again thank you!

Another alternative is to disable onboard sound (you do this in the BIOS)
and put in a PCI sound card instead. Basic sound cards are very
inexpensive. If you don't use the modem for dialup Internet access, you
won't lose anything by doing this.

Malke
 
Malke said:
Another alternative is to disable onboard sound (you do this in the BIOS)
and put in a PCI sound card instead. Basic sound cards are very
inexpensive. If you don't use the modem for dialup Internet access, you
won't lose anything by doing this.

Malke

The form factor of the PCBook style would make that difficult. It is an
all-in-one with only two USB ports on the back. And I don't even know
if they're USB2, they might be USB1 (still good for sound, but not
for all kinds of expansion solutions).

http://web.archive.org/web/20050328011820/www.amptron.com/images/bk630v1_1.jpg

This is an example of a USB audio, that is cheap. But also not as feature
rich as an 8738, software wise. Sometimes, using one of these, blocks
the second USB port. This gives stereo output, good enough for system
sounds and maybe music playback.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829128002

Paul
 
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