Next week Vista goes RTM?

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No time to implement suggestions?
I swear, I will not buy Vista until Service Pack is released.
And if Msoft is not listening I go Linux !
Jack
 
I swear, I will not buy Vista until Service Pack is released.
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I was thinking of waiting for SP2. It depends on how many improvements
(rather than bug fixes) make it into SP1. Based on my ten days of intensive
use, I'd say RC2 is nowhere near ready for prime-time. It's sad really,
because there is a lot of nice stuff in here...
 
Even if they weren't going to RTM next week, it would be too late to add
suggestions, I'd think. Bug fixes and performance enhancements are probably
the order of the day.

But I may be speaking out of my nether regions...

Clint
 
Dave Nuttall said:
I was thinking of waiting for SP2. It depends on how many improvements
(rather than bug fixes) make it into SP1. Based on my ten days of
intensive use, I'd say RC2 is nowhere near ready for prime-time. It's sad
really, because there is a lot of nice stuff in here...
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hm...what did you see wrong? I run it about a week and still runs just fine,
so i wonder where's the catch...
 
The problem is that Msoft is not listening.
There were lots of suggestions made for the new OS.
Microsoft has plenty of time to implement them but it did not.
I doubt, any SP will solve that.
Jack
 
Protoncek said:
cure my ignorance...RTM???
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RTM = Released to Manufacturing. Meaning it is done and the code released
to be placed on final media copies, sent to PC manufacturer's for them to
begin implementing on their machines, etc.
 
Tom Porterfield said:
RTM = Released to Manufacturing. Meaning it is done and the code released
to be placed on final media copies, sent to PC manufacturer's for them to
begin implementing on their machines, etc.
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aha...thanks.
BUT...
why then it will only be out in feb 07?
 
Stop and think of what all has to happen for retail. The DVDs have to be
made for many languages. The packaging has to be printed. The DVDs boxed up
and shipped to the warehouses. Then shipped to the stores. We are talking
about millions of copies for the World wide release.
 
I set up computers for over 1000 clients. I was quick to jump on Windows
2000 and Windows XP - I have to say I will wait a VERY long time for Vista.
As others have said - MS is not listening at all. To top it off, I can't
imagine they are getting any leadership at all right now. It crashes at
demo after demo at various conferences - this is by people who should have
tested EVERY step they were going to take in a advance and it STILL wasn't
stable. I can't imagine how long the current exec will stay in office
after the ZUNE flop and Vista!

HEY I got an idea - let's ignore every suggestion we've gotten to fix issues
and come out with RIBBONS for Vista - that will be just as good as the
RIBBONS we did for Office which solved none of the problems, offered no real
advantage but we got to release a new package for consumers to buy!
 
hm...what did you see wrong? I run it about a week and still runs just
fine, so i wonder where's the catch...
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It's not so much what's wrong, it's what's the cost benefit analysis of
moving from XP to Vista says:

I've already spent $300 on hardware upgrades - but these will also benefit
me under XP (and they are now a sunk cost). The remaining cost is the Vista
license. For that expenditure I am looking to improve as many MS
applications and replace as many third party applications as possible.

Item 1: Movie Maker. User interface is not much improved from XP, but then
it was pretty good already. Better responsiveness and editing precision.
Marred by inability to create custom titles and credits (I copied over my XP
AddOnTFX folder to the MM shared directory, but it was not used). Value to
me: small positive.

Item 2: DVD Maker. This was to be my killer app for Vista. Finally I could
get rid of all the Nero, Sonic, etc junk and have one nice streamlined place
to do DVD authoring with excellent audio and video quality (and I mean
excellent) . But it doesn't allow enough user control over menus to meet my
needs. Very flash, but lacking in basics. I could waste a DVD and copy off
the MPG and AC3 files and re-burn them in DVD-lab (which I am experimenting
with), but does the quality improvement merit the extra hassle (and the
extra application to babysit). Value to me: small positive (maybe more)

Item 3: Photo Gallery. Potential replacement for Picasa (which I really
like, but would still happily replace with an integrated equivalent). Seems
to have several design flaws (from reading the music_pictures_video group)
that put me off. Value to me: zero

Item 4: OneCare. I really like this. I can't stand NAV, which I have used
for years and has got steadily more intrusive and bloated. But wait! I can
have this on XP. Value to me: zero.

Items 5 & 6: IE7, WMP11 - both really nice, and equally available on XP.

So far we have a small positive advantage to Vista. So what about the OS
itself (you know, that invisible thing that lurks on your computer and helps
everything to work in harmony)?

Aero user interface. Takes more CPU and screen real estate than classic
windows (which I still use on XP). I don't care about the window boundaries,
I'm interested in what the application is doing inside the window. And a
stupid analog clock that winds up when I log in, is hidden most of the time,
adds no value when I can glance down at the bottom right of the screen and
see "20:24". Value to me: negative.

Security. Truly important, and I'll put up with any number of pop-ups so
long as I can say "Yes, I know about this, I'm happy with it, I authorize
you to never ask me again, and here's my credit card number [to prove that
I'm an adult]". But no, we get nanny-OS. No more drag and drop to command
window [this has not been disabled with a backdoor to re-enable it, it has
been removed]. No more unblocking of suspect programs. Ever repeating
warnings about the same thing. Value to me: negative.


If they'd done a better job on the applications (especially DVD Maker and
Photo Gallery), I'd still go with Vista. For now, rather than wait to buy
new laptops with Vista, I'll hurry and buy ones with XP - and a coupon for
Vista to hedge my bets. Hopefully Vista will improve before the coupon
expires...
 
I know there are many people that say Vista is not ready bercause their
having problems with it
But for me it has run very well and I'm very happy with it, and I'd be happy
to run it on my production system

In principle I'd buy it and install it straight away however I will wait
till I have upgraded my system first seeing the full retail version only
allows one transfer to a new system. I'd rather have that new system first
 
Reading your post Dave, it was for me as it was me who wrote it.
To the smallest detail, including the laptop thing!
I was just planning to do the same!
Just I know nothing about Vista coupons, but I do not care.
I am not interested in Vista anymore, after learning from Rick that
disabling drag and drop into command window is not a fluke but it is by
design.
Jack

Dave Nuttall said:
hm...what did you see wrong? I run it about a week and still runs just
fine, so i wonder where's the catch...
Click to expand...

It's not so much what's wrong, it's what's the cost benefit analysis of
moving from XP to Vista says:

I've already spent $300 on hardware upgrades - but these will also
benefit me under XP (and they are now a sunk cost). The remaining cost is
the Vista license. For that expenditure I am looking to improve as many MS
applications and replace as many third party applications as possible.

Item 1: Movie Maker. User interface is not much improved from XP, but then
it was pretty good already. Better responsiveness and editing precision.
Marred by inability to create custom titles and credits (I copied over my
XP AddOnTFX folder to the MM shared directory, but it was not used).
Value to me: small positive.

Item 2: DVD Maker. This was to be my killer app for Vista. Finally I could
get rid of all the Nero, Sonic, etc junk and have one nice streamlined
place to do DVD authoring with excellent audio and video quality (and I
mean excellent) . But it doesn't allow enough user control over menus to
meet my needs. Very flash, but lacking in basics. I could waste a DVD and
copy off the MPG and AC3 files and re-burn them in DVD-lab (which I am
experimenting with), but does the quality improvement merit the extra
hassle (and the extra application to babysit). Value to me: small positive
(maybe more)

Item 3: Photo Gallery. Potential replacement for Picasa (which I really
like, but would still happily replace with an integrated equivalent).
Seems to have several design flaws (from reading the music_pictures_video
group) that put me off. Value to me: zero

Item 4: OneCare. I really like this. I can't stand NAV, which I have used
for years and has got steadily more intrusive and bloated. But wait! I can
have this on XP. Value to me: zero.

Items 5 & 6: IE7, WMP11 - both really nice, and equally available on XP.

So far we have a small positive advantage to Vista. So what about the OS
itself (you know, that invisible thing that lurks on your computer and
helps everything to work in harmony)?

Aero user interface. Takes more CPU and screen real estate than classic
windows (which I still use on XP). I don't care about the window
boundaries, I'm interested in what the application is doing inside the
window. And a stupid analog clock that winds up when I log in, is hidden
most of the time, adds no value when I can glance down at the bottom right
of the screen and see "20:24". Value to me: negative.

Security. Truly important, and I'll put up with any number of pop-ups so
long as I can say "Yes, I know about this, I'm happy with it, I authorize
you to never ask me again, and here's my credit card number [to prove that
I'm an adult]". But no, we get nanny-OS. No more drag and drop to command
window [this has not been disabled with a backdoor to re-enable it, it has
been removed]. No more unblocking of suspect programs. Ever repeating
warnings about the same thing. Value to me: negative.


If they'd done a better job on the applications (especially DVD Maker and
Photo Gallery), I'd still go with Vista. For now, rather than wait to buy
new laptops with Vista, I'll hurry and buy ones with XP - and a coupon for
Vista to hedge my bets. Hopefully Vista will improve before the coupon
expires...
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By coupons, he means that the computer manufacturers will be offering a
coupon to upgrade to Vista once it is available to the public. In other
words, they can't afford for you to wait for Vista to buy your new computer
from them so they offer the XP to Vista upgrade for free now.

Jack said:
Reading your post Dave, it was for me as it was me who wrote it.
To the smallest detail, including the laptop thing!
I was just planning to do the same!
Just I know nothing about Vista coupons, but I do not care.
I am not interested in Vista anymore, after learning from Rick that
disabling drag and drop into command window is not a fluke but it is by
design.
Jack

Dave Nuttall said:
hm...what did you see wrong? I run it about a week and still runs just
fine, so i wonder where's the catch...
Click to expand...

It's not so much what's wrong, it's what's the cost benefit analysis of
moving from XP to Vista says:

I've already spent $300 on hardware upgrades - but these will also
benefit me under XP (and they are now a sunk cost). The remaining cost is
the Vista license. For that expenditure I am looking to improve as many
MS applications and replace as many third party applications as possible.

Item 1: Movie Maker. User interface is not much improved from XP, but
then it was pretty good already. Better responsiveness and editing
precision. Marred by inability to create custom titles and credits (I
copied over my XP AddOnTFX folder to the MM shared directory, but it was
not used). Value to me: small positive.

Item 2: DVD Maker. This was to be my killer app for Vista. Finally I
could get rid of all the Nero, Sonic, etc junk and have one nice
streamlined place to do DVD authoring with excellent audio and video
quality (and I mean excellent) . But it doesn't allow enough user control
over menus to meet my needs. Very flash, but lacking in basics. I could
waste a DVD and copy off the MPG and AC3 files and re-burn them in
DVD-lab (which I am experimenting with), but does the quality improvement
merit the extra hassle (and the extra application to babysit). Value to
me: small positive (maybe more)

Item 3: Photo Gallery. Potential replacement for Picasa (which I really
like, but would still happily replace with an integrated equivalent).
Seems to have several design flaws (from reading the music_pictures_video
group) that put me off. Value to me: zero

Item 4: OneCare. I really like this. I can't stand NAV, which I have used
for years and has got steadily more intrusive and bloated. But wait! I
can have this on XP. Value to me: zero.

Items 5 & 6: IE7, WMP11 - both really nice, and equally available on XP.

So far we have a small positive advantage to Vista. So what about the OS
itself (you know, that invisible thing that lurks on your computer and
helps everything to work in harmony)?

Aero user interface. Takes more CPU and screen real estate than classic
windows (which I still use on XP). I don't care about the window
boundaries, I'm interested in what the application is doing inside the
window. And a stupid analog clock that winds up when I log in, is hidden
most of the time, adds no value when I can glance down at the bottom
right of the screen and see "20:24". Value to me: negative.

Security. Truly important, and I'll put up with any number of pop-ups so
long as I can say "Yes, I know about this, I'm happy with it, I authorize
you to never ask me again, and here's my credit card number [to prove
that I'm an adult]". But no, we get nanny-OS. No more drag and drop to
command window [this has not been disabled with a backdoor to re-enable
it, it has been removed]. No more unblocking of suspect programs. Ever
repeating warnings about the same thing. Value to me: negative.


If they'd done a better job on the applications (especially DVD Maker and
Photo Gallery), I'd still go with Vista. For now, rather than wait to buy
new laptops with Vista, I'll hurry and buy ones with XP - and a coupon
for Vista to hedge my bets. Hopefully Vista will improve before the
coupon expires...
Click to expand...
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MS had commitments to their software assurance customers to provide Vista
this calendar year so that their customers due for renewal would not miss
out. This was a big issue with enterprise customers using software
assurance contracts since the first announcements that Vista would be
delayed from last quarter 2006 to first quarter 2007. Setting rtm this
quarter even though first general public availability could not be until
next quarter was the resolution. Since delivery of Vista to enterprise
customers is much simpler than retail, MS can deliver to them a couple of
months sooner than it can in the retail channels.
 
SAM-R said:
Stop and think of what all has to happen for retail. The DVDs have to be
made for many languages. The packaging has to be printed. The DVDs boxed
up and shipped to the warehouses. Then shipped to the stores. We are
talking about millions of copies for the World wide release.
Click to expand...

OK, but since DVD's will be made by several factories, so other stuff it's
still a bit too long...
 
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