NEWSGROUPS ?

[Isaac Gutman M.D.]

Hi all,
I am trying to subscribe to newsgroups an did don't know how to do it with
outlook 2003.
With Outlook Express it is rather straight forward, however - using "Help"
it disappear from the go command.
Any help will be appreciated,
TIA, Isaac

 

[Brian Tillman]

I am trying to subscribe to newsgroups an did don't know how to do it
with outlook 2003.
With Outlook Express it is rather straight forward, however - using
"Help" it disappear from the go command.

Outlook does not, nor has it ever, access newsgroups. It uses Outlook
Express or Windows Mail for that. You can buy NNTP add-ins, but it's not
native to Outlook.

For an explanation of what you're seeing, see this:
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/news.htm

 

[DarkSentinel]

Outlook does not, nor has it ever, access newsgroups. It uses Outlook
Express or Windows Mail for that. You can buy NNTP add-ins, but it's not
native to Outlook.

For an explanation of what you're seeing, see this:
http://www.howto-outlook.com/faq/news.htm

That is not exactly technically true. You CAN set your Exchange Server to
pull news groups, and access them through Public Folders(if I remember
correctly) in Outlook. I had that set up at one of the companies I used to
work for. Total MS house, heavy SQL programming, etc. Users would submit a
request for a pertinent group, i.e. Outlook, and I would add it to the
Exchange server. This way we could maintain control of the profiles for a
business environment, and still give our users access to the resources they
needed.

 

[Brian Tillman]

That is not exactly technically true. You CAN set your Exchange
Server to pull news groups, and access them through Public Folders(if
I remember correctly) in Outlook.

It is technically true. It is Exchange acting as the NNTP agent in this
case, not Outlook. Outlook is accessing an ordinary Public Folder, not a
newsgroup.

 

[DarkSentinel]

It is technically true. It is Exchange acting as the NNTP agent in this
case, not Outlook. Outlook is accessing an ordinary Public Folder, not a
newsgroup.

The point I was trying to make here, is that you CAN access newsgroups with
it, albeit in a round about fashion. Doesn't matter WHAT server it is.
Exchange is filling the part of the NNTP server no? And accessing the public
folder is analogous to subscribing to the group. I never stated that it
would do it directly as OE, Agent, et al do, now did I? All I stated was it
COULD be done.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Well, to add to the fun and games, that is no longer true with current Exchange development. No more NNTP and no more public folders (soon, very soon...)

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After furious head scratching, DarkSentinel asked:

| ||
||| That is not exactly technically true. You CAN set your Exchange
||| Server to pull news groups, and access them through Public
||| Folders(if I remember correctly) in Outlook.
||
|| It is technically true. It is Exchange acting as the NNTP agent in
|| this case, not Outlook. Outlook is accessing an ordinary Public
|| Folder, not a newsgroup.
|| --
|| Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]
|
| The point I was trying to make here, is that you CAN access
| newsgroups with it, albeit in a round about fashion. Doesn't matter
| WHAT server it is. Exchange is filling the part of the NNTP server
| no? And accessing the public folder is analogous to subscribing to
| the group. I never stated that it would do it directly as OE, Agent,
| et al do, now did I? All I stated was it COULD be done.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Well, to add to the fun and games, that is no longer true with current
Exchange development. No more NNTP and no more public folders (soon, very
soon...)

Never fails to amaze me how things that are actually useful seem to get
killed. That's progress for ya.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

PFs are being migrated to SharePoint and NNTP is on its deathbed, to listen to some.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.

After furious head scratching, DarkSentinel asked:

| | Well, to add to the fun and games, that is no longer true with current
| Exchange development. No more NNTP and no more public folders (soon,
| very soon...)
|
| Never fails to amaze me how things that are actually useful seem to
| get killed. That's progress for ya.

 

[DarkSentinel]

PFs are being migrated to SharePoint and NNTP is on its deathbed, to
listen to some.

Again, one of MS's endless force em to upgrade deals. And no I'm not
starting a flame MS thread. All the software houses do it. This is where we
want to go with this, and you are going to have to upgrade whether you like
it or not. I always like the public folders. But then again, my old company
was an Exchange 5 house, so.....

What is slated to replace NNTP then? RSS or something of that nature? I am a
firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp. But hey, who
knows the replacement just may be better. Just hope it will be better than
the marginal increases in functionality so prevalent now days. Good example
is OE vs. WLM. To be honest the eye candy upgrade sucks, but that is just
for me. Perhaps it is because I am so used to the look and feel of OE. The
only real functionality improvement I can discern is the ability to choose
to top or bottom post, and the safety options I guess. They even took a step
backwards, when the removed the Block Sender functionality as implemented in
OE. And again, MS is not the only house that is doing this. Seems like
everyone wants to take 2 step forwards, and one step back. Maybe I'm just
getting overly picky in my old age...lol

 

[F. H. Muffman]

Again, one of MS's endless force em to upgrade deals. And no I'm not
starting a flame MS thread. All the software houses do it. This is where
we want to go with this, and you are going to have to upgrade whether you
like it or not. I always like the public folders. But then again, my old
company was an Exchange 5 house, so.....

What is slated to replace NNTP then? RSS or something of that nature? I am
a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp. But hey,
who knows the replacement just may be better. Just hope it will be better
than the marginal increases in functionality so prevalent now days. Good
example is OE vs. WLM. To be honest the eye candy upgrade sucks, but that
is just for me. Perhaps it is because I am so used to the look and feel of
OE. The only real functionality improvement I can discern is the ability
to choose to top or bottom post, and the safety options I guess. They even
took a step backwards, when the removed the Block Sender functionality as
implemented in OE. And again, MS is not the only house that is doing this.
Seems like everyone wants to take 2 step forwards, and one step back.
Maybe I'm just getting overly picky in my old age...lol

I doubt anything is scheduled to replace it. I'd wager that the number of
customers MS has using the NNTP functionality of Exchange was low enough
that there isn't that much of an outcry that it is going away.

I doubt they even when into the 'death of usenet' fud when making the
decision. It was solely 'Do we have users using this?'

Are there *some*? I'm sure there are. But, with PFs going away, the
question of how NNTP could be handled without PFs was probably suitably
complex that they weren't too concerned there either.

Which also leads to the obvious question. If sharepoint is the replacement
for PFs, is there a NNTP importer type application for Sharepoint?

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

SharePoint is infinitely customizable and programmable. I would not be surprised if there already is a replacement for news groups in MOSS 2007.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, F. H. Muffman asked:

| ||| PFs are being migrated to SharePoint and NNTP is on its deathbed, to
||| listen to some.
|||
||
|| Again, one of MS's endless force em to upgrade deals. And no I'm not
|| starting a flame MS thread. All the software houses do it. This is
|| where we want to go with this, and you are going to have to upgrade
|| whether you like it or not. I always like the public folders. But
|| then again, my old company was an Exchange 5 house, so.....
||
|| What is slated to replace NNTP then? RSS or something of that
|| nature? I am a firm believer in the "If it ain't broke, don't fix
|| it" camp. But hey, who knows the replacement just may be better.
|| Just hope it will be better than the marginal increases in
|| functionality so prevalent now days. Good example is OE vs. WLM. To
|| be honest the eye candy upgrade sucks, but that is just for me.
|| Perhaps it is because I am so used to the look and feel of OE. The
|| only real functionality improvement I can discern is the ability to
|| choose to top or bottom post, and the safety options I guess. They
|| even took a step backwards, when the removed the Block Sender
|| functionality as implemented in OE. And again, MS is not the only
|| house that is doing this. Seems like everyone wants to take 2 step
|| forwards, and one step back. Maybe I'm just getting overly picky in
|| my old age...lol
|
| I doubt anything is scheduled to replace it. I'd wager that the
| number of customers MS has using the NNTP functionality of Exchange
| was low enough that there isn't that much of an outcry that it is
| going away.
|
| I doubt they even when into the 'death of usenet' fud when making the
| decision. It was solely 'Do we have users using this?'
|
| Are there *some*? I'm sure there are. But, with PFs going away, the
| question of how NNTP could be handled without PFs was probably
| suitably complex that they weren't too concerned there either.
|
| Which also leads to the obvious question. If sharepoint is the
| replacement for PFs, is there a NNTP importer type application for
| Sharepoint?