News is not good for the competition but a question

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Sham B

Will ATI rest on it's laurels and slow down it's rapid pace of improving
their product?

Ron

Hi Ron

Graphics cards need to be demonstrably better between card 'waves' otherwise
no one will want to buy them. If NVidia become less of a competitor, ATI
still have to better their *own* cards to give users a percieved need to
upgrade. They may do this slower if the heat is off, but they must weigh
this against no differentiation between their own old and new cards.

On a more fundamental level, it begs the question 'Does it matter?'

There is no point in brand loyalty. You have paid your dues to ATI in total
when you pay for the card. I look at specs and reviews before I look at the
company label, and have already changed company twice over the years:

First Voodoo (bought 2 cards)
Then nVidia (bought 3 cards)
Now ATI (bought one card so far)

If the best card is not ATI when my next buying point comes along, how will
it affect me? Games will always be written for the range of cards at that
time, so the answer may well be 'it won't' ;)

Interesting to see that the problems with the NVidia cards are essentially
the same that plagued the later voodoo cards - lack of innovation in the
processing core leading to heat dissapation issues.
Its almost as if both companies started with a totally new idea in silicon
that beat the competition at the time, then kept making it faster and faster
(with no real new structural innovation apart from cooler overall
fabrication processes) until they ran into heat problems causing rising
costs. Then someone else working with a better new idea beat them in the
end with a better 'heat vs processing power' solution, given the same
fabrication process.

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Sham B said:
Hi Ron

Graphics cards need to be demonstrably better between card 'waves' otherwise
no one will want to buy them. If NVidia become less of a competitor, ATI
still have to better their *own* cards to give users a percieved need to
upgrade. They may do this slower if the heat is off, but they must weigh
this against no differentiation between their own old and new cards.

On a more fundamental level, it begs the question 'Does it matter?'

There is no point in brand loyalty. You have paid your dues to ATI in total
when you pay for the card. I look at specs and reviews before I look at the
company label, and have already changed company twice over the years:

First Voodoo (bought 2 cards)
Then nVidia (bought 3 cards)
Now ATI (bought one card so far)

OT: Your post just prompted me to consider what graphics cards I have
installed, and how much I have spent on them over the years. It makes for
unhappy reading:

Trident VGA card - at least 2 of these, cost - I can't remember
Tseng Labs ET6000 - £200
Matrox Millenium - £250
Videologic Apocalypse 3dx PowerVR thing - £200+
Diamond Voodoo1 3dfx thing £150
ATI Xpert@work - £130
nVidia TNT (can't remember brand) - £120
Creative Labs Annihilator Pro Geforce thing - £200 ?
Gainward Geforce 2/3 Ultra - £230?
Radeon 8500 - £230?
Radeon 9700 Pro - £260

£2000 (i.e. $3500) on damned grahics cards. Perhaps $7000 at net present
value. I must be mad.

Interesting trend on the prices of "leading edge" components though. They
were very expensive circa 10 years ago: £200 - £250 (which is probably £400
to £500 in todays money). They then got cheaper: £100 - £150 (equals
perhaps £140 - £200 in todays money), and now they are very expensive again.

Chip.
 
I never thought about it like this. I never bought the Et6000 based boards but
I did have a Hercules Dynamite Power VLB (Et4000 chipset) 200.00$. Whatever
happened to Tseng labs?

I did get a Matrox Mystique as a present. Then I bought a cheap Voodoo 3/2000
PCI (best bang for my buck ever) for around 100$. The GeForce 2/GTS cost me
200.00$, my Savage4 Pro around 100$, and my latest two ATI cards combined cost
me almost 500.00 (9800 Pro and 9500 Pro). You've really sunk some cash into
video cards though.
Trident VGA card - at least 2 of these, cost - I can't remember
Tseng Labs ET6000 - £200
Matrox Millenium - £250
Videologic Apocalypse 3dx PowerVR thing - £200+
Diamond Voodoo1 3dfx thing £150
ATI Xpert@work - £130
nVidia TNT (can't remember brand) - £120
Creative Labs Annihilator Pro Geforce thing - £200 ?
Gainward Geforce 2/3 Ultra - £230?
Radeon 8500 - £230?
Radeon 9700 Pro - £260

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
 
Wblane said:
I never thought about it like this. I never bought the Et6000 based boards but
I did have a Hercules Dynamite Power VLB (Et4000 chipset) 200.00$. Whatever
happened to Tseng labs?

I did get a Matrox Mystique as a present. Then I bought a cheap Voodoo 3/2000
PCI (best bang for my buck ever) for around 100$. The GeForce 2/GTS cost me
200.00$, my Savage4 Pro around 100$, and my latest two ATI cards combined cost
me almost 500.00 (9800 Pro and 9500 Pro). You've really sunk some cash into
video cards though.

I know! And I forgot 1 or 2 as well. There was another ATI xpert@play as
well. And I am sure I had a Geforce2 as well as a Geforce3. Blimey!

Chip
 
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