Newbie Cluster Question

Keith Wilby · Oct 11, 2006

Clueless newbie wet-behind-the-ears question: How often do I need to get
bad cluster problems before I should start to worry that my HDD is about to
die? I had one about three months ago and then one more over the weekend.
The drive is otherwise performing OK and isn't making any strange noises.

Many thanks.

Keith.

Rod Speed · Oct 11, 2006

Keith Wilby said:
Clueless newbie wet-behind-the-ears question: How often do I need to get bad cluster problems
before I should start to worry that my HDD is about to die?

Varys with the drive.

Maxtors ship with some doubtful sectors not listed as bad
and let the drive reallocate those which turn out to be bad.

I had one about three months ago and then one more over the weekend.

You can get that when running the
drive too hot, or with mains failures too.

The drive is otherwise performing OK and isn't making any strange noises.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Keith Wilby · Oct 11, 2006

Hi Ron, thanks for you reply ...

Rod Speed said:
Varys with the drive.

Maxtors ship with some doubtful sectors not listed as bad
and let the drive reallocate those which turn out to be bad.

You can get that when running the
drive too hot, or with mains failures too.

It's a factory fitted drive in a Sony Vaio which has suffered a couple of
power outages, although not recently.

Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Will do that when I get home tonight ... thanks again.

Keith.

Arno Wagner · Oct 11, 2006

Previously Keith Wilby said:
Clueless newbie wet-behind-the-ears question: How often do I need to get
bad cluster problems before I should start to worry that my HDD is about to
die? I had one about three months ago and then one more over the weekend.
The drive is otherwise performing OK and isn't making any strange noises.

Depends. Please post the SMART status here, thet is the only
somwahat reliable diagnostic method.

Arno

Keith Wilby · Oct 12, 2006

Arno Wagner said:
Depends. Please post the SMART status here, thet is the only
somwahat reliable diagnostic method.

Arno

I didn't get chance last night but I will do it soonest.

Keith.

Keith · Oct 12, 2006

Rod said:
Post the Everest SMART report.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Is this what you wanted?

--------[ SMART
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ SAMSUNG SP2014N (S088J1RYA07005) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 25 100 100 6080
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 98 98 2807
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 10 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 15 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 1361
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 0 253 2 0
OK: Always passing
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1436
OK: Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 0 127 106 37
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 127 106 37
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 100 2069781
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 3
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 100 0
OK: Always passing

[ WDC WD1600BB-98DWA0 (WD-WMAEK1279192) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 148 146 3116
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 96 96 4671
OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 200 200 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 94 94 4395
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 96 96 4670
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 108 253 42
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0
OK: Value is normal

Rod Speed · Oct 12, 2006

Keith said:
Rod Speed wrote

Is this what you wanted?
Yep.

--------[ SMART ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ SAMSUNG SP2014N (S088J1RYA07005) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 25 100 100 6080 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 98 98 2807 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 10 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 15 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 1361 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 0 253 2 0 OK: Always passing
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1436 OK: Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 0 127 106 37 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 127 106 37 OK: Always passing

The problem below isnt due to the drive temp being too high.

C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 100 2069781 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 3 OK: Always passing

Thats the important one, its decided that 3 sectors are flakey.

Thats getting up a bit but could be due to a few mains failures etc.

I'd keep watching that and see if it increases.

C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 100 0 OK: Always passing

[ WDC WD1600BB-98DWA0 (WD-WMAEK1279192) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 148 146 3116 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 40 96 96 4671 OK: Value is normal
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 94 94 4395 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 96 96 4670 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 108 253 42 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 253 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 200 155 0 OK: Value is normal

No problems with this drive at all.

Arno Wagner · Oct 13, 2006

Is this what you wanted?

Yes. Both drives look fine. Your problems do not seem to be drive
issues.

Arno

--------[ SMART
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ SAMSUNG SP2014N (S088J1RYA07005) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 100 100 0
OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 25 100 100 6080
OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 98 98 2807
OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 10 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
08 Seek Time Performance 15 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 1361
OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 253 253 0
OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 0 253 2 0
OK: Always passing
0C Power Cycle Count 0 99 99 1436
OK: Always passing
BE <vendor-specific> 0 127 106 37
OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 127 106 37
OK: Always passing
C3 Hardware ECC Recovered 0 100 100 2069781
OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 3
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0
OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 100 100 0
OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 100 0
OK: Always passing

[ WDC WD1600BB-98DWA0 (WD-WMAEK1279192) ]

Keith Wilby · Oct 13, 2006

Rod Speed said:
The problem below isnt due to the drive temp being too high.

I think that was a different thread ;-)

Thats the important one, its decided that 3 sectors are flakey.

Thats getting up a bit but could be due to a few mains failures etc.

I'd keep watching that and see if it increases.

Duly noted, many thanks for your help.

Regards,
Keith.

Rod Speed · Oct 13, 2006

I think that was a different thread ;-)

Nope, its one possibility for pending sectors.

Duly noted, many thanks for your help.

No problem, that's what this newsgroup is for.