New System - Want to connect power. Need Help

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Frederick

I am trying to install a new system consisting of the following:

1) Tower - Thermaltake V4 Black Edition (VM30001W2Z) ATX Mid-Tower

2) MOBO - Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H

3) CPU - AMD Phenom IIX2 2.8GHz

4) PSU - Thermaltake 450W TT-450NL1NH-1

Here is my problem.

The motherboard has a 2X12 Main Power Connector and a 2X2 12V Power
Connector. The PSU comes with one 2X10 Main Power Connector, one 2X2
(I presume `12V) Power Connector bundled with the 2X10 and will reach
only the MOBO Power Connector and not the MOBO 2X2. The PSU also came
with separate 2X2 and separate 2X3 Power Connectors, and two
extenders that can convert either 2X2 to 2X3 or 2X2 to 2X4. Both the
separate PSU 2X2 and the 2X3 will reach the open 2X2 of the MOBO's
2X12. but neither will reach the MOBO 2X2. The extenders will enable
the latter 2X2 to reach the MOBO 2X2.

I only connected the 2X10 and fired it up for an instant to see if it
would at least start, It did. Since the MOBO manual clearly says the
separate MOBO 2X2 is for the CPU, I assume I will need to connect it.
I tried all combos (I think) of the PSU wires, all to no avail. The
machine will then NOT fire up at all.

I hope I explained things correctly and completely. Some advice here?
I need to know what to connect to what and how (e.g. 2X3 into 2X2???
wow)

Thanks

Big Fred
 
I am trying to install a new system consisting of the following:

1) Tower - Thermaltake V4 Black Edition (VM30001W2Z) ATX Mid-Tower

2) MOBO - Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H

3) CPU - AMD Phenom IIX2 2.8GHz

4) PSU - Thermaltake 450W TT-450NL1NH-1

Here is my problem.

The motherboard has a 2X12 Main Power Connector and a 2X2 12V Power
Connector. The PSU comes with one 2X10 Main Power Connector, one 2X2
(I presume `12V) Power Connector bundled with the 2X10 and will reach
only the MOBO Power Connector and not the MOBO 2X2. The PSU also came
with separate 2X2 and separate 2X3 Power Connectors, and two
extenders that can convert either 2X2 to 2X3 or 2X2 to 2X4. Both the
separate PSU 2X2 and the 2X3 will reach the open 2X2 of the MOBO's
2X12. but neither will reach the MOBO 2X2. The extenders will enable
the latter 2X2 to reach the MOBO 2X2.

I only connected the 2X10 and fired it up for an instant to see if it
would at least start, It did. Since the MOBO manual clearly says the
separate MOBO 2X2 is for the CPU, I assume I will need to connect it.
I tried all combos (I think) of the PSU wires, all to no avail. The
machine will then NOT fire up at all.

I hope I explained things correctly and completely. Some advice here?
I need to know what to connect to what and how (e.g. 2X3 into 2X2???
wow)

Thanks

Big Fred
Click to expand...

The 2x2 that you want to go to the CPU's 2x2 connector will have 2 black and
two yellow wires indicating that there are 2 ground and 2 12V power lines.
This is the one that connects to the 2x2 CPU socket.

the 2x3 conncector is for a video card with PCI-express.
 
The 2x2 that you want to go to the CPU's 2x2 connector will have 2 black and
two yellow wires indicating that there are 2 ground and 2 12V power lines.
This is the one that connects to the 2x2 CPU socket.

the 2x3 conncector is for a video card with PCI-express.
Click to expand...


Okay - Thank you. The 2X2 connection worked - it fired up. That just
leaves me wondering what if anything needs to be connected to the open
2X2 end of the MOBO's 2X12. I also wonder what the PSUs's 2X4
connector would have been for.

Thanks

Big Fred
 
Okay - Thank you. The 2X2 connection worked - it fired up. That just
leaves me wondering what if anything needs to be connected to the open
2X2 end of the MOBO's 2X12. I also wonder what the PSUs's 2X4
connector would have been for.

Thanks

Big Fred
Click to expand...
Some of the newer motherboards use a 2x8 connector for their CPU power. it
would have 4 yellow and 4 black wires.


If the cable you are looking at has an orange, a yellow and two black wires,
that goes onto the end of the 2x12 location on the motherboard. It sorta hooks
on the end of the 2x10 connector and makes it into the 2x12 connector
 
Some of the newer motherboards use a 2x8 connector for their CPU power. it
would have 4 yellow and 4 black wires.


If the cable you are looking at has an orange, a yellow and two black wires,
that goes onto the end of the 2x12 location on the motherboard. It sorta hooks
on the end of the 2x10 connector and makes it into the 2x12 connector
Click to expand...

It has Orange, Red, Black & Yellow. And it looks like it is intended
to go where you say. I'll have to try it when I get to it.

Thanks
 
It has Orange, Red, Black & Yellow. And it looks like it is intended
to go where you say. I'll have to try it when I get to it.

Thanks
Click to expand...

Yes, after looking closer to mine, you are correct , there is a red wire.
 
Frederick said:
I am trying to install a new system consisting of the following:

1) Tower - Thermaltake V4 Black Edition (VM30001W2Z) ATX Mid-Tower

2) MOBO - Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H

3) CPU - AMD Phenom IIX2 2.8GHz

4) PSU - Thermaltake 450W TT-450NL1NH-1

Here is my problem.

The motherboard has a 2X12 Main Power Connector and a 2X2 12V Power
Connector. The PSU comes with one 2X10 Main Power Connector, one 2X2
(I presume `12V) Power Connector bundled with the 2X10 and will reach
only the MOBO Power Connector and not the MOBO 2X2. The PSU also came
with separate 2X2 and separate 2X3 Power Connectors, and two
extenders that can convert either 2X2 to 2X3 or 2X2 to 2X4. Both the
separate PSU 2X2 and the 2X3 will reach the open 2X2 of the MOBO's
2X12. but neither will reach the MOBO 2X2. The extenders will enable
the latter 2X2 to reach the MOBO 2X2.

I only connected the 2X10 and fired it up for an instant to see if it
would at least start, It did. Since the MOBO manual clearly says the
separate MOBO 2X2 is for the CPU, I assume I will need to connect it.
I tried all combos (I think) of the PSU wires, all to no avail. The
machine will then NOT fire up at all.

I hope I explained things correctly and completely. Some advice here?
I need to know what to connect to what and how (e.g. 2X3 into 2X2???
wow)
Click to expand...

Please, always give wire colors for all 2x2 connectors. [Red? Orange?
Yellow? Black? Other??]
 
Yes, after looking closer to mine, you are correct , there is a red wire.
Click to expand...


I am still running without this 2X2 connected to the motherboard's
2X12 - hence the latter is not completely connected up. The only
thing is - I can't get the PSU's 2X2 red/orange/yellow/black to stay
connected to the 2X12 when I add it. It simply pops right back out.
Machine seems to be running fine so far, but I am running much as yet.

I am concerned that I am not supplying the power I should to the
motherboard.

Big Fred
 
Frederick said:
I am still running without this 2X2 connected to the motherboard's
2X12 - hence the latter is not completely connected up. The only
thing is - I can't get the PSU's 2X2 red/orange/yellow/black to stay
connected to the 2X12 when I add it. It simply pops right back out.
Machine seems to be running fine so far, but I am running much as yet.

I am concerned that I am not supplying the power I should to the
motherboard.

Big Fred
Click to expand...

The connector is called "20+4".

It splits in two pieces. The 20 pin section, is suited for legacy motherboards.
If you combine the 20+4, then the connector works well with modern 24 pin
motherboards.

The two halves, have a plastic "hinge" between them. With both the 20 and 4
sections pulled out of the motherboard, align the 20 and 4 next to each other.
The hinge or alignment tabs should be next to one another. Take the
completed, aligned 20+4 assembly and plug it in. All of the nylon shell
legs have shapes, and the shape is intended to prevent improper insertion.
The assembled 20+4 should slide easily (at least initially), into the
24 pin motherboard. That is proof you've aligned the two pieces properly.

For wire colors, see this doc. Verify your assembled 20+4 has these wire colors.

http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/ATX12V_PSDG_2_2_public_br2.pdf (page 37)

The 20+4, the 4 pin section, should have four different wire colors. It is not
to be confused with the ATX12V 2x2 square connector which powers your processor.
That ATX12V 2x2 has two yellow wires and two black wires.

For other pictures of wiring, check out this site.

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html

In this picture, you can see how the 4 section, affixes to the 20 section.
Not all manufacturers use the same scheme, perhaps to avoid patent licensing.
But the alignment principle, *before* insertion, still applies.

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/all20plus4.jpg

Paul
 
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