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I want/need to add a new computer to my stable here and would like to know
which Manufacturer provides a real live XP CD that will allow the
install/repair capability. I don't want a hidden restore partition or CD
that, when used destroys, all customization. I know I can run down to the
local mom and pop computer shop and have one built or buy the components and
assemble it myself as I have done in the past but right now I don't want to
do that.

Thank you very much.
 
I want/need to add a new computer to my stable here and would like to know
which Manufacturer provides a real live XP CD that will allow the
install/repair capability. I don't want a hidden restore partition or CD
that, when used destroys, all customization. I know I can run down to the
local mom and pop computer shop and have one built or buy the components and
assemble it myself as I have done in the past but right now I don't want to
do that.



Call up Dell, Compaq, HP, and IBM (whatever they are clled today) and
see what they have. I don't think you will find anything but Vista in
the stores.

An XP cd may may cost a few bucks, and is well worth it.
 
I want/need to add a new computer to my stable here and would like to know
which Manufacturer provides a real live XP CD that will allow the
install/repair capability. I don't want a hidden restore partition or CD
that, when used destroys, all customization. I know I can run down to the
local mom and pop computer shop and have one built or buy the components and
assemble it myself as I have done in the past but right now I don't want to
do that.

So why not go down to the local big brand PC store and
find out which items on special are sold with real live XP CDs?
 
Jack said:
I want/need to add a new computer to my stable here and would like to know
which Manufacturer provides a real live XP CD that will allow the
install/repair capability. I don't want a hidden restore partition or CD
that, when used destroys, all customization. I know I can run down to the
local mom and pop computer shop and have one built or buy the components and
assemble it myself as I have done in the past but right now I don't want to
do that.

Thank you very much.

I just googled "live xp" and found some good hits. You might want to
gander at that.
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=114722
This discussion seems to indicate at the bottom there is a solution,
even has some links.

I understand you don't want personal settings destroyed. Have you
thought of an imaging backup that of course will capture the OS and
settings?

Good luck.
 
Jack Gillis said:
I want/need to add a new computer to my stable here and would like to know
which Manufacturer provides a real live XP CD that will allow the
install/repair capability. I don't want a hidden restore partition or CD
that, when used destroys, all customization. I know I can run down to the
local mom and pop computer shop and have one built or buy the components
and assemble it myself as I have done in the past but right now I don't
want to do that.

Thank you very much.
Just buy the computer you want, regardless of a real live XP CD and have a
friend burn you a copy of a real live XP CD. Just make sure it's the OEM
version if you purchase the computer from any major computer manufacturer.
 
Jerry said:
Just buy the computer you want, regardless of a real live XP CD and have a
friend burn you a copy of a real live XP CD. Just make sure it's the OEM
version if you purchase the computer from any major computer manufacturer.

Actually it doesn't matter which version of the Windows XP install CD
you get if you're looking at downgrade rights from Vista (only
applicable to the Business and Ultimate version). They give you the
right to reuse your Vista license for an XP install. Those are rights,
not media. Microsoft themself have stated that they don't provide the
media and even say to get it elsewhere. You do a FRESH install of
Windows XP so the version can be OEM or retail. Even Microsoft says an
OEM version is okay. Why? Because you won't be using the product key
from it. You will need to activate over the phone and give your *Vista*
product key to the MS rep who then gives you a NEW product code to
activate that install of Windows XP. You still only have one license
and that's the one you got with Vista.

If you're not talking about the downgrade rights from Vista Ultimate or
Vista Business then you are promoting the pirating of software. "have
friend burn you a copy" that is not related to implementing the
downgrade rights means you are suggesting to the OP that they steal a
copy from their friend.
 
VanguardLH said:
Actually it doesn't matter which version of the Windows XP install CD
you get if you're looking at downgrade rights from Vista (only
applicable to the Business and Ultimate version). They give you the
right to reuse your Vista license for an XP install. Those are rights,
not media. Microsoft themself have stated that they don't provide the
media and even say to get it elsewhere. You do a FRESH install of
Windows XP so the version can be OEM or retail. Even Microsoft says an
OEM version is okay. Why? Because you won't be using the product key
from it. You will need to activate over the phone and give your *Vista*
product key to the MS rep who then gives you a NEW product code to
activate that install of Windows XP. You still only have one license
and that's the one you got with Vista.

If you're not talking about the downgrade rights from Vista Ultimate or
Vista Business then you are promoting the pirating of software. "have
friend burn you a copy" that is not related to implementing the
downgrade rights means you are suggesting to the OP that they steal a
copy from their friend.

Although the op didn't mention Vista at all, your comments about using the
Vista license brought up some questions. Are you saying that if someone
purchases a new computer with Vista OEM installed that they can use that
Vista OEM license to activate an install of XP Home Retail on that same
computer? That would seem contrary to what you could do with XP, an XP OEM
license doesn't work on a Retail copy and visa versa.
Unfortunately for the op, unless he's buying a Dell or maybe a
remanufactured computer, there are no XP computers at the big box stores and
trying to downgrade one can be very difficult because XP drivers just aren't
being written for some of the new motherboards that are in those big box
store computers.
 
Thank you all who responded to my ill worded initial post. I can see now I
did not express myself as I should have.

It doesn't matter whether or not I wind up with an XP or a Vista driven
machine. I just want to make sure that I wind up with a CD which can be
used to do a repair/install. I have talked to the people in the local 'big
box' stores and they say the machines they sell do not come with a such a
thing.

I think I will just go to my friendly mom and pop shop and have them build
one or buy the parts and assemble it myself.

Thanks again for all of your responses.
 
Jerry said:
Although the op didn't mention Vista at all, your comments about using the
Vista license brought up some questions. Are you saying that if someone
purchases a new computer with Vista OEM installed that they can use that
Vista OEM license to activate an install of XP Home Retail on that same
computer? That would seem contrary to what you could do with XP, an XP OEM
license doesn't work on a Retail copy and visa versa.
Unfortunately for the op, unless he's buying a Dell or maybe a
remanufactured computer, there are no XP computers at the big box stores and
trying to downgrade one can be very difficult because XP drivers just aren't
being written for some of the new motherboards that are in those big box
store computers.

In fact, you can ONLY downgrade from the OEM versions of Windows Vista
Ultimate and Business. If it were a retail version of Vista, well, you
CHOSE to buy that version separate of the software bundle with the
hardware. There's no point in providing downgrade rights from the
retail versions of Vista as the buyer deliberately chose to purchase
that version. The downgrade rights allow users that by pre-built host
that included an OEM version of Vista to downgrade to XP (but only for
the Ultimate and Business versions of Vista).

You get the XP install media (Microsoft doesn't supply it). You do the
install. You activate by phone. You tell the rep what you installed
for XP and give them the Vista license key. They give you back a
product key that works for whatever XP version you installed. I forget
the Microsoft site or Microsoft blog but it even mentioned borrowing the
XP install media from a friend to do the install. You have the 30-day
trial period for that XP install in which to exercise the downgrade
rights to transfer your Vista license to your XP install but, as I
recall, it will require a call for activation since the rep has to get
your Vista license, know what XP version you installed, and then gives
you a new product key for whatever XP you installed.

Of course, none of this has to do with hardware which is the topic of
this newsgroup. If you want details and more opinions, ask in either an
XP or Vista newsgroup, or contact Microsoft. In the meantime, read
their short blurb at:

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf

The driver availability issue is the responsibility of whomever installs
the OS. If the OP wants to install Windows XP on a pre-built host that
was designed for Vista support, the OP needs to check if the pre-built
maker or the component makers supply XP-specific drivers. There are
some hosts that were designed specifically with only Vista in mind and
they do not supply XP drivers, or you have to dig, or you have to
determine what components are in the host and go get the drivers from
them. That's why some sale folks will warn you that your hardware may
not function or there will be reduced functionality if you revert to XP.

If the OP wants a "real live XP CD" as he described, it's likely that he
will have to buy one. Just because Microsoft dropped mainstream support
doesn't mean all those retail packaged boxes on shelves just magically
disappeared; see
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2060350368 1179212716&name=Professional
(all in stock). But then the procedure for exercising your downgrade
rights doesn't require going out to buy a retail package to install XP,
so the OP could just go borrow his friend's CD again when he needs to do
a recovery, or when he does another fresh reinstall (which means he'll
have to call again to give the Vista product key and detail what XP
version he reinstalled).
 
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