New maiboard standard BTX has no PS2 connectors AHHHHHHHHHHHH.

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We will be stuck with USB and when they wont work, no PS2 to save you.

I have never used USB for my Keyboard and or mouse and i don't like to
be forced to use USB either.

My 2.34543783737 cents.
 
We Live For The One We Die For The One said:
We will be stuck with USB and when they wont work, no PS2 to save you.

I have never used USB for my Keyboard and or mouse and i don't like to
be forced to use USB either.

My 2.34543783737 cents.
The 'classic' for annoyance in this regard, is that a lot of USB devices,
when attached for the first time, and 'spotted' by Windows P&P, put up a
screen, requiring you to press a key when the driver disk is inserted, and
then the USB bus in some cases is left locked. I have seen this with every
MS OS (including some of the newer Beta's), and if you are using a USB
keyboard/mouse, or a USB CD for the install, you are stuck!. The only
'getout', is that since most machines setup like this, support ACPI shutdown
from the power button, you can turn the machine off, and attach a PS/2
keyboard. On machines without this option, it'll be a real 'delight'...

Best Wishes
 
I had a few problems with USB mice keyboards, and went to PS2 and
STAYED their if they don't put PS2 on the new BTX boards i guess ill
have to give up buying new computers :(

I think ill go back to my Atari St it still works and i can play all
those games i missed and do my typing and all on 1 meg of ram and a
floppy :)
 
We said:
We will be stuck with USB and when they wont work, no PS2 to save you.

I have never used USB for my Keyboard and or mouse and i don't like to
be forced to use USB either.

How do you know you don't like it if you've never tried it? I stayed away
from USB Keyboard and Mouse 'cos DOS didn't support it... turned on Legacy
Keyboard Support and it's fine. Besides, I never use DOS any more.

Maybe we should completely halt the advance of computers in favour of Hard
disks with a maximum of 16Megs/s transfer speed, and floppy disks that are
360KB, and 640x480 graphics on monochrome displays... just because it'll be
"easier".

Or maybe we should move forwards by getting rid of crap legacy devices and
move towards a flexible, universal bus...

Could you imagine a motherboard that had every single connector ever used
since the inception of the personal computer? Would be a bit silly wouldn't
it?

Ben
 
Roger said:
The 'classic' for annoyance in this regard, is that a lot of USB devices,
when attached for the first time, and 'spotted' by Windows P&P, put up a
screen, requiring you to press a key when the driver disk is inserted, and
then the USB bus in some cases is left locked.

Locked how?

I've installed Windows with only USB devices and in my experience it works.
You get standard drivers that are capable of giving you a useable system.
I have seen this with every
MS OS (including some of the newer Beta's), and if you are using a USB
keyboard/mouse, or a USB CD for the install, you are stuck!.

Not in my experience.

Ben
 
But fun, would love to see all that fitted onto a board they would
have to think alittle before designing though :)
 
USB keyboard/mouse work fine on modern boards and OSes (WinXP and Linux) in
my experience. The PS/2 ports on my P4B533 board have never had a single
thing plugged into them.
 
Also you PC is faster with PS2, USB hogs so many resourses.
 
We said:
Also you PC is faster with PS2, USB hogs so many resourses.

USB does not use a significant amount of resources?

Everything you say is merely your uninformed opinion... you never back
anything up with even the smallest amount of reason.

Ben
 
All i know with USB mouse and Keyboard my system is very slow, can
notice it alot, back to PS2 its response is fast, thus USB sucks,
easy.
 
All i know with USB mouse and Keyboard my system is very slow, can
notice it alot, back to PS2 its response is fast, thus USB sucks,
easy.

So you have a f***ed up machine and you then generalise about all USB
devices. You really demean your nickname.
 
I can't help if i'am right.



So you have a f***ed up machine and you then generalise about all USB
devices. You really demean your nickname.
 
We said:
I can't help if i'am right.


We can't help if you're wrong.... :-p

Actually, we can... if this is the appropriate group, then please feel free
to enlighten us (in a new thread) of your hardware and OS, and I'll be happy
to make a few suggestions as to why you may be having issues, or possibly
even how to solve them.

Ben
 
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Which is why they chose to implement it in BTX, because it 'sucks' so hard.

Nevermind the fact it is 1,000,000 times more versatile than any device
connected via a ps/2 plugin, other than mice, keyboards and lightwands
(barcode readers) or Magstripe readers, no other major hardware was ever
mass-manufactured for use with a PS/2 plugin as its means of connection.

The standard for PS/2 was made in 1987, when the bandwidth requirements
for optical mice that scan their position thousands of times a second,
or digital cameras, flash memory and all their ilk were a techno-geeks
wet dream.

Nevermind the transmission rates are pitifully slow, not even capable of
the rates of a serial port, since none of the devices I could find
(magstripe/barcode readers in older magazines require the loading of a
fossil driver, I can only conclude it did not require any transmission
rate above 57,600bps (56k) or else DOS would have required a secondary
driver, I recall many a serial device requiring one for my BBS :)

This is a chart of bandwidth for connections:
serial port : 115kbits/s (.115Mbits/s)
Original USB (1.1) : 12Mbits/s (1.5MBYTES/s)
IEEE-1394 (FireWire) : 100-400Mbits/s (12.5--50MBYTES/s)
Hi-Speed USB (2.0) : 480Mbits/s

Your PS/2 at most is capable of 1/2 a good serial port.

Or any of the following abilites that USB has that PS/2 couldnt even
ATTEMPT to do, given signalling and voltage requirements.

# Hot Swapping Capability

Hot swapping a PS/2 device can/will SCREW your board, its a powered
device (5v DC)

# Multiple Peripheral, with the use of USB hubs, allows up to 127
different peripherals to be used at one time

PS/2 permits the usage of up to (woo, ready for it) ONE per port.
Thats right, One.

# Distributes electrical power to many peripherals. USB lets the PC
automatically sense the power thats required and deliver it to the
device. This feature eliminates the need for auxiliary power supplies

Wow, guess the 5v it pulls isnt enough for a few of the magstripe
readers I found, the old PS/2 versions required a power adaptor, but the
USB ones dont..... wonder why that is.

# Share peripherals between PC platforms

PC *and* Macintosh computer platforms more specifically, nevermind the
myriad PDA / Cellphones / Lights / Cameras etc etc etc etc that use USB.

# Higher Bandwidth

FAR FAR Higher.

# Simplicity of use

Plug it in, proper devices should be recognized as a general class and
supported, although you may require vendor specific software to support
those extra features which your device offers.

# Built in operating system support for devices

Windows, Mac OS/X, 101 *nixes and the BSD flavours.

So like Ben has said, what is your given hardware that makes you express
this patently naive opinion?


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Philip said:
So like Ben has said, what is your given hardware that makes you express
this patently naive opinion?

All of his opinions here are patently naive, I don't think it's his hardware
that affects that.

Ben
 
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| Philip Callan wrote:
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|>So like Ben has said, what is your given hardware that makes you express
|>this patently naive opinion?
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| All of his opinions here are patently naive, I don't think it's his
hardware
| that affects that.

Unless his brain is hardware, given the density of his statements, it is
possible. :)
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