NEW HDD?

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hi,
I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the other
still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).

I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued with
the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer everything
from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if possible)

Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS), and what
HDD type i need and what is good to buy?

Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?

Thank you!
 
nj wrote...
hi,
I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the other
still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).

I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued with
the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer everything
from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if possible)

Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS), and what
HDD type i need and what is good to buy?

Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?

If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
It's time to buy a new PC.

A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor &
printer.
 
nj wrote...





If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
It's time to buy a new PC.

A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor &
printer.

Hi,
It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb ram.
I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I would like to
get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in another desktop
and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.
 
Hi,
It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb
ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I
would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in
another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.

No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.

Do you presently have a working bootable XP partition? If so then buy
a new HDD and clone the existing bootable partition to it.

For cloning I like CopyWipe:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.php#download

You could image and then restore but the easiest way to do this is
with an external HDD... which is more hardware to buy. Lots of
alternatives for imaging software: Image For Windows/Image For DOS,
Ghost, Acronis True Image (older version of ATI available free if you
look around carefully).

Which HDD to buy? Seagate seems to be the dominant player but you
might not like them if one of their drives failed inconveniently on
you in the past. All brands of HDD fail though -- BACKUP!! Seagate
offers a 5 y guarantee. Sweet spot in terms of $/GB is the 320 GB
size.

External HDD setup?? Buy the HDD and enclosure you want and assemble
yourself. If you plan to upgrade in the nearish future consider an
enclosure supporting eSATA -- it's super fast. Otherwise get one
supporting USB 2 and IEEE1394/Firewire. With a 320 GB internal HDD it
would be silly to have an 80 GB external HDD, if you get my drift.

When you have the new HDD of gigantic capacity you might as well keep
everything on it. Simplest setup is small C:\ for OS and programs,
larger D:\ for your data. (Easy and quick to image small C:\ to
safeguard against disaster.)

Your OS will run much faster from the new large HDD. After you've
transferred OS and/or data from the 12 GB HDD retire it from your
system and put it in the recycling collection. The speed and capacity
it offers is tantamount to useless these days.
 
No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.

Do you presently have a working bootable XP partition? If so then buy
a new HDD and clone the existing bootable partition to it.

For cloning I like CopyWipe:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.php#download

You could image and then restore but the easiest way to do this is
with an external HDD... which is more hardware to buy. Lots of
alternatives for imaging software: Image For Windows/Image For DOS,
Ghost, Acronis True Image (older version of ATI available free if you
look around carefully).

Which HDD to buy? Seagate seems to be the dominant player but you
might not like them if one of their drives failed inconveniently on
you in the past. All brands of HDD fail though -- BACKUP!! Seagate
offers a 5 y guarantee. Sweet spot in terms of $/GB is the 320 GB
size.

External HDD setup?? Buy the HDD and enclosure you want and assemble
yourself. If you plan to upgrade in the nearish future consider an
enclosure supporting eSATA -- it's super fast. Otherwise get one
supporting USB 2 and IEEE1394/Firewire. With a 320 GB internal HDD it
would be silly to have an 80 GB external HDD, if you get my drift.

When you have the new HDD of gigantic capacity you might as well keep
everything on it. Simplest setup is small C:\ for OS and programs,
larger D:\ for your data. (Easy and quick to image small C:\ to
safeguard against disaster.)

Your OS will run much faster from the new large HDD. After you've
transferred OS and/or data from the 12 GB HDD retire it from your
system and put it in the recycling collection. The speed and capacity
it offers is tantamount to useless these days.

Good stuff, every line made sense! Thank you very much for your advice!
 
Toast said:
No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.

<edited>

Hello, Toast:

Yes, indeed...my present Pentium III system is even more ancient, than
the original poster's! I built it, in May of 2000 and have constantly
upgraded it, ever since.

Currently, it has a "Coppermine" 1050MHz CPU and a pair of identical
Samsung ATA hard drives (SpinPoint SP1614N, 160GB), plus, a SimpleTech
"SimpleDrive" (160GB USB external HDD).


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
<edited>

Hello, Toast:

Yes, indeed...my present Pentium III system is even more ancient,
than the original poster's! I built it, in May of 2000 and have
constantly upgraded it, ever since.

Currently, it has a "Coppermine" 1050MHz CPU and a pair of
identical Samsung ATA hard drives (SpinPoint SP1614N, 160GB),
plus, a SimpleTech "SimpleDrive" (160GB USB external HDD).


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

Everyone's computing needs differ. However, many have modest
requirements.

Making computers with increasingly more powerful hardware components
means software can be written incorporating a lot of mostly
unnecessry baggage, especially slick GUIs needing significant grunt
to drive its graphics.

If you're not editing video in a professional production house,
manipulating digital photographic files for a living or playing the
latest generation of 3D graphics chomping games then a brand new
super-dooper 'rig' just isn't necessary.

Most home users surf the 'net, send email, crank out a few office
documents / spreadsheets, and other undemanding computing tasks. In
many instances there's little sense in upgrading a PC that's well up
to the demands made of it. Keep using your old stuff, flog it to
death. No point in chucking stuff out on whim -- only serves to line
the pockets of companies up the supply chain all the way to
manufacturers and diabolical, monopolistic software vendors. They
encourage consumption for its own sake.

I helped out a friend recently with a 2.4 GHz P4, 256 MB of RAM
running XP from a 60 GB HDD at 80-90% capacity. Thanks to the OS and
the load it invited to be demanded of the system the machine was a
bit under-resourced. He was going to buy a new machine but I
suggested he should wait. With some effort I persuaded him to get
another 512 MB of RAM and a 320 GB HDD. The system now flies and it
should do him for at least a couple more years.

Many users don't realise how to get the best out of the equipement
they already possess. Better to run it into the ground before lobbing
stuff into landfill.

However, it's interesting how things play out with WinXP which has
proved to be a very stable and resilient OS. After running XP on a
machine for a few years, by the stage an ordinary user who has
installed and uninstalled a fair share of software in that time has a
system slowed to a crawl and in desperate need of a rebuild they
often consider buying a new computer. This is often because they
don't know how to reinstall the OS, and if they did perhaps can't be
bothered because it's such an effort to get everything up and running
again like it used to. By the time a system has reached this point
the original HDD is probably near to chucking it in and the ordinary
user wouldn't even realize the perils facing them. In such instances
upgrading can inadvertantly avoid encounters with data catastrophe,
and that is not a bad thing, especially if you happen to be the one
they ask for help in a computing crisis.

Or... it's quite sensible to upgrade HDDs in old computers!
 
Toast said:
Everyone's computing needs differ. However, many have modest
requirements.

Making computers with increasingly more powerful hardware components
means software can be written incorporating a lot of mostly
unnecessry baggage, especially slick GUIs needing significant grunt
to drive its graphics.

If you're not editing video in a professional production house,
manipulating digital photographic files for a living or playing the
latest generation of 3D graphics chomping games then a brand new
super-dooper 'rig' just isn't necessary.

Most home users surf the 'net, send email, crank out a few office
documents / spreadsheets, and other undemanding computing tasks. In
many instances there's little sense in upgrading a PC that's well up
to the demands made of it. Keep using your old stuff, flog it to
death. No point in chucking stuff out on whim -- only serves to line
the pockets of companies up the supply chain all the way to
manufacturers and diabolical, monopolistic software vendors. They
encourage consumption for its own sake.

I helped out a friend recently with a 2.4 GHz P4, 256 MB of RAM
running XP from a 60 GB HDD at 80-90% capacity. Thanks to the OS and
the load it invited to be demanded of the system the machine was a
bit under-resourced. He was going to buy a new machine but I
suggested he should wait. With some effort I persuaded him to get
another 512 MB of RAM and a 320 GB HDD. The system now flies and it
should do him for at least a couple more years.

Many users don't realise how to get the best out of the equipement
they already possess. Better to run it into the ground before lobbing
stuff into landfill.

However, it's interesting how things play out with WinXP which has
proved to be a very stable and resilient OS. After running XP on a
machine for a few years, by the stage an ordinary user who has
installed and uninstalled a fair share of software in that time has a
system slowed to a crawl and in desperate need of a rebuild they
often consider buying a new computer. This is often because they
don't know how to reinstall the OS, and if they did perhaps can't be
bothered because it's such an effort to get everything up and running
again like it used to. By the time a system has reached this point
the original HDD is probably near to chucking it in and the ordinary
user wouldn't even realize the perils facing them. In such instances
upgrading can inadvertantly avoid encounters with data catastrophe,
and that is not a bad thing, especially if you happen to be the one
they ask for help in a computing crisis.

Or... it's quite sensible to upgrade HDDs in old computers!


Hello, Toast:

Everything you've written, above, makes perfects sense; therefore,
although somewhat lengthy, I haven't delete any of it, in my response.

Still, I'll add that my PIII PC started out with 128MB of RAM, in
2000. The following year, I boosted it to 512MB and then, finally, I
maxed it out, at 1GB. That proved to provide the largest performance
improvement, overall.

Thanks, for your cogent comments!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
Hello, Toast:

Everything you've written, above, makes perfects sense; therefore,
although somewhat lengthy, I haven't delete any of it, in my
response.

Still, I'll add that my PIII PC started out with 128MB of RAM, in
2000. The following year, I boosted it to 512MB and then, finally,
I maxed it out, at 1GB. That proved to provide the largest
performance improvement, overall.

Thanks, for your cogent comments!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John,

Thank you for your succinct response. Your comments are noted and in
future I will strive for tersely expressed posts. However, prose
doesn’t usually form this way when I drift into meandering story
telling mode. ;-)

As an upgrade I like RAM too. Can’t wait to get another gig to add to
my 2.4 GHz XP box.

David.
 
Toast said:
John,

Thank you for your succinct response. Your comments are noted and in
future I will strive for tersely expressed posts. However, prose
doesn’t usually form this way when I drift into meandering story
telling mode. ;-)

As an upgrade I like RAM too. Can’t wait to get another gig to add to
my 2.4 GHz XP box.

David.


Hello, David:

It's weird, actually; 1GB of memory was a massive amount, back in 2001.
Yet, today, it's barely considered entry level!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
Hello, David:

It's weird, actually; 1GB of memory was a massive amount, back in
2001. Yet, today, it's barely considered entry level!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>

John,

Times change and so do the ways we use computers.

Perhaps the biggest change in my daily usage is due to my
enthusiastic adoption of Firefox for web browsing. I’m not an expert
with it but consider myself a competent user. Presently I have 25
extensions on board. When browsing I frequently have a couple of
dozen tabs open, probably more, in each of three Firefox windows.
Even with FF’s memory leaks mostly fixed all those open tabs chew up
a huge amount of memory.

When building my present PC I installed what many considered an
outlandishly excessive amount of RAM – 1 GB. At the time I saw
friends struggling with systems running XP with 256 MB – so slow. My
first XP system had 512 MB and it didn’t really have much zip. Going
with 1 GB was a good move. Four years later the system still performs
quite adequately, I suppose, but I know it will go even better with
another helping of memory and I’ll be able to do more interesting
things with it too.

This puts in a quandary. Money I spend on this system could otherwise
be invested in a new dual core thing with oodles of grunt. Do I start
again or love the one I’m with? Despite being labelled by some as a
player in terms of my interest in computing, given the nature of my
computing needs I think it will be the latter.

But how much extra RAM should I install? My mainboard can carry up to
4 GB but XP can realistically only cope with 3 GB:

http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm

So should I buy one gig or two? Running virtual machines sounds
tempting and for this the more RAM the better. Hope my pockets are
deep enough for two when I get down to the parts supplier.

David
 
This puts in a quandary. Money I spend on this system could otherwise
be invested in a new dual core thing with oodles of grunt. Do I start
again or love the one I’m with? Despite being labelled by some as a
player in terms of my interest in computing, given the nature of my
computing needs I think it will be the latter.

But how much extra RAM should I install? My mainboard can carry up to
4 GB but XP can realistically only cope with 3 GB:

http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm

So should I buy one gig or two? Running virtual machines sounds
tempting and for this the more RAM the better. Hope my pockets are
deep enough for two when I get down to the parts supplier.

David


Hello, David:

Go for 2GB...the more, the merrier, where RAM is concerned. :-)

Good luck!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
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