Network data wronh- Help!

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I have a network between my desktop and my laptop and backup my data
successfully between the two
However when I looked at the list of files which are shown on my Desktop
network the files are different from the files on the desktop
The laptop network files are correct as in the laptop
When I look at the laptop again the files on the laptop network are correct
but the files on the desktop network are different
What can be causing this?
Blair
 
bm said:
I have a network between my desktop and my laptop and backup my data
successfully between the two
However when I looked at the list of files which are shown on my Desktop
network the files are different from the files on the desktop
The laptop network files are correct as in the laptop
When I look at the laptop again the files on the laptop network are
correct but the files on the desktop network are different
What can be causing this?
Blair
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You need to supply more details:
- What tool do you use to back up your files?
- What is the name of at least one of the files that is causing a problem?
- When you say "different", do you mean
a) The number of files
b) The size of the files
c) The date stamp of the files
e) The contents of the files
 
Pegasus said:
You need to supply more details:
- What tool do you use to back up your files?
- What is the name of at least one of the files that is causing a problem?
- When you say "different", do you mean
a) The number of files
b) The size of the files
c) The date stamp of the files
e) The contents of the files
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Thank you for your reply
I realise now what a mess I made of my problem
Let me say first of all I mentioned backup to explain why I really have a
network between the laptop and the desktop. I have absolutely no problem
with my backup. It works perfectly.
I will talk only about the problem with the desktop data
On my desktop I have my own data seperated in it's own partition and I have
about 37 folders
When I open the network on the laptop and look at the desktop my own data
shows only 3 folders
I had assumed that when I look at the desktop from the laoptop I would see
the same 37 folders!
Hope that explains the problem better
Blair
 
bm said:
Thank you for your reply
I realise now what a mess I made of my problem
Let me say first of all I mentioned backup to explain why I really have a
network between the laptop and the desktop. I have absolutely no problem
with my backup. It works perfectly.
I will talk only about the problem with the desktop data
On my desktop I have my own data seperated in it's own partition and I
have
about 37 folders
When I open the network on the laptop and look at the desktop my own data
shows only 3 folders
I had assumed that when I look at the desktop from the laoptop I would see
the same 37 folders!
Hope that explains the problem better
Blair
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I think we are interposing the term "network," meaning looking at network
resources, such as viewing data on another machine on the network in a
folder that's been shared out, and the term "desktop," which means what's on
your current Desktop, meaning your desktop in front of you (that has the
Start menu, Recycle bin, etc) in your Windows profile. Based on that with
the terminology provided, I'm having difficulty understanding and following
what you are saying.

What "network" are you opening up? Is it Network Neighborhood, or is it a
Mapped Drive letter that is pointing to a share on another computer?

Are you backing up data to your Desktop?

Are you trying to "copy" data from another machine to your laptop?

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Ace Fekay said:
I think we are interposing the term "network," meaning looking at network
resources, such as viewing data on another machine on the network in a
folder that's been shared out, and the term "desktop," which means what's
on your current Desktop, meaning your desktop in front of you (that has
the Start menu, Recycle bin, etc) in your Windows profile. Based on that
with the terminology provided, I'm having difficulty understanding and
following what you are saying.

What "network" are you opening up? Is it Network Neighborhood, or is it a
Mapped Drive letter that is pointing to a share on another computer?

Are you backing up data to your Desktop?

Are you trying to "copy" data from another machine to your laptop?

--
Ace

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
confers no rights.

Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
resolution.

Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS 2008, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
Messaging
Microsoft Certified Trainer

For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
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I have no problems backing up my data on my Desktop to my laptop ( The
Laptop is used primarily as a backup tool)
Actually I have no real problem apart from an academic one
When I open Windows Explorer on my Laptop and check on my neighbourhood
network and select the Desktop it does not show the correct list of folders
I have on the Desktop This does not cause any problem but leaves me baffled
why this should happen
Alternatively when I open Windows Explorer on my Desktop and check on my
Neighborourhood network and select Laptop the correct list is shown!
Blair
 
bm said:
I have no problems backing up my data on my Desktop to my laptop ( The
Laptop is used primarily as a backup tool)
Actually I have no real problem apart from an academic one
When I open Windows Explorer on my Laptop and check on my neighbourhood
network and select the Desktop it does not show the correct list of
folders I have on the Desktop This does not cause any problem but leaves
me baffled why this should happen
Alternatively when I open Windows Explorer on my Desktop and check on my
Neighborourhood network and select Laptop the correct list is shown!
Blair
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Since enabling sharing my data I suddenly noticed that a second My own data
now appears with all the correct folders!!
But the old wrong my old own data is still there with an odd collected of
files
Blair
 
bm said:
Since enabling sharing my data I suddenly noticed that a second My own
data now appears with all the correct folders!!
But the old wrong my old own data is still there with an odd collected of
files
Blair
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I see. I haven't explored this area, since I do not use the "desktop" for
sharing out data, backing up data to it, etc. The reason is the "desktop" is
actually part of the user profile, therefore security permissions are
controlled by the user account that owns that specific "desktop." Each
profile has a desktop.

Therefore when you are looking at it from the Network perspective (as if you
were another user on another machine), you are viewing what is being shared.
Apparently it wasn't shared until you shared it out, then it became
available.

The "old" data you may be seeing is still remnant in the browser service.
The Browser Service is what populate the 'browse list," and it may take some
time for it to disappear once it is no longer available or has been
unshared.

The best way to get to network resources is by using a direct mapping of a
drive letter to the actual share, or by a UNC directly to the share. I would
not rely on the Browser Service (Network Neighborhood) for what you are
trying to do. It is not reliable in this respect and causes confusion with
many users, apparently what may be going on here.

I hope that helps explain it.

I also recommend and suggest to back up your data to a child folder on the
C: drive, instead of backing up data to a profile. What would happen if your
user account were to be deleted? It would delete the profile too, taking the
"desktop" with it. Better yet, it would be better to back up to another
server through a conventional backup solution, or even using a third party
tool such as Second Copy, and then copy the data to your laptop afterwards.

Ace
 
I see. I haven't explored this area, since I do not use the "desktop" for
sharing out data, backing up data to it, etc. The reason is the "desktop"
is actually part of the user profile, therefore security permissions are
controlled by the user account that owns that specific "desktop." Each
profile has a desktop.

Therefore when you are looking at it from the Network perspective (as if
you were another user on another machine), you are viewing what is being
shared. Apparently it wasn't shared until you shared it out, then it
became available.

The "old" data you may be seeing is still remnant in the browser service.
The Browser Service is what populate the 'browse list," and it may take
some time for it to disappear once it is no longer available or has been
unshared.

The best way to get to network resources is by using a direct mapping of a
drive letter to the actual share, or by a UNC directly to the share. I
would not rely on the Browser Service (Network Neighborhood) for what you
are trying to do. It is not reliable in this respect and causes confusion
with many users, apparently what may be going on here.

I hope that helps explain it.

I also recommend and suggest to back up your data to a child folder on the
C: drive, instead of backing up data to a profile. What would happen if
your user account were to be deleted? It would delete the profile too,
taking the "desktop" with it. Better yet, it would be better to back up to
another server through a conventional backup solution, or even using a
third party tool such as Second Copy, and then copy the data to your
laptop afterwards.

Ace
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Thank you for your considered reply.
I think I am guilty of expressing myself badly using terms which can have
several meanings.
I will try again,
I have a backup system Acronis True Image which works perfectly and I have
no trouble with it,
I use my second Computer to store my backup from Computer 1
The process makes use of my Network which shows the structure of the second
computer and enables me to select the correct file for my backup
This works perfectly.
It is only when I look at the structure of the rest of the computer that I
noticed it does not correspond to the structure actually in the computer.
It does not cause me any problem apart from an academic point of view which
makes me wonder why this should be?
Hope this makes it clearer
Blair
 
bm said:
Thank you for your considered reply.
I think I am guilty of expressing myself badly using terms which can have
several meanings.
I will try again,
I have a backup system Acronis True Image which works perfectly and I
have no trouble with it,
I use my second Computer to store my backup from Computer 1
The process makes use of my Network which shows the structure of the
second computer and enables me to select the correct file for my backup
This works perfectly.
It is only when I look at the structure of the rest of the computer that I
noticed it does not correspond to the structure actually in the computer.
It does not cause me any problem apart from an academic point of view
which makes me wonder why this should be?
Hope this makes it clearer
Blair
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I see. I apologize for misunderstanding your posts. I'm still not sure by
what you mean "sructure" in the following statement:. I guess that would
involve knowing w

"> It is only when I look at the structure of the rest of the computer that
I
noticed it does not correspond to the structure actually in the computer."
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This can all be due to what you have actually shared on your machine
including the share and NTFS permissions, as well as if using legacy sharing
or Guest access sharing. If I have further misunderstood, I apologize. I am
having problems grasping your technical terminology in order to apply a
solution or explanation.

There is much involved with troubleshooting Windows sharing features and the
browse service without knowing specfic machine and network settings and
services configurations. It may be caused by other factors based on your
network configuration, if using WINS, firewalls, antivirus interfering, etc.

I have no further explanation other than possibly the browser service having
issues.

Possibly someone else that is monitoring this thread may have have a better
answer or explanation for you.

Ace
 
Ace Fekay said:
I see. I apologize for misunderstanding your posts. I'm still not sure by
what you mean "sructure" in the following statement:. I guess that would
involve knowing w

"> It is only when I look at the structure of the rest of the computer
that I

This can all be due to what you have actually shared on your machine
including the share and NTFS permissions, as well as if using legacy
sharing or Guest access sharing. If I have further misunderstood, I
apologize. I am having problems grasping your technical terminology in
order to apply a solution or explanation.

There is much involved with troubleshooting Windows sharing features and
the browse service without knowing specfic machine and network settings
and services configurations. It may be caused by other factors based on
your network configuration, if using WINS, firewalls, antivirus
interfering, etc.

I have no further explanation other than possibly the browser service
having issues.

Possibly someone else that is monitoring this thread may have have a
better answer or explanation for you.

Ace
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Thanks for you help
Structure was the wrong word -I meant a list if items
To simplify if I open Windows Explorer on my Desktop PC I get a list of
items on the PC
If I scroll down to Network and look at the same PC some of the items listed
are different which puzzled me
When I open Windows Explorer on my Laptop PC and look at the same PC under
Network the items are identical as I would have expected.
Blair
 
bm said:
Thanks for you help
Structure was the wrong word -I meant a list if items
To simplify if I open Windows Explorer on my Desktop PC I get a list of
items on the PC
If I scroll down to Network and look at the same PC some of the items
listed are different which puzzled me
When I open Windows Explorer on my Laptop PC and look at the same PC under
Network the items are identical as I would have expected.
Blair
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I see. That's a little better. So you are saying Network Neighborhood is
showing two different versions or views of what's been shared, one view from
your own machine, and a different view of what's shared from another
machine. This could all be based on the share permissions. If you look in
Computer Management, Shares, it will show you eveything that's been shared,
which you should see from any machine that the share permissions allow.

Ace
 
Ace Fekay said:
I see. That's a little better. So you are saying Network Neighborhood is
showing two different versions or views of what's been shared, one view
from your own machine, and a different view of what's shared from another
machine. This could all be based on the share permissions. If you look in
Computer Management, Shares, it will show you eveything that's been
shared, which you should see from any machine that the share permissions
allow.

Ace
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If I may suggest, can you take a screenshot of what you are seeing from both
machines and post them to http://skydrive.live.com to see exactly what you
are seeing, please? Also, a snapshot of the Shares in Computer Management
would help. This way I can compare what's being shared to what's being seen
in Network Neighborhood by both machines.

Ace
 
Ace Fekay said:
If I may suggest, can you take a screenshot of what you are seeing from
both machines and post them to http://skydrive.live.com to see exactly
what you are seeing, please? Also, a snapshot of the Shares in Computer
Management would help. This way I can compare what's being shared to
what's being seen in Network Neighborhood by both machines.

Ace
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I pressed Alt+Print Screen but nothing happened
I then pressed Print Screen and nothing happened
I have never done this before. Am I doing something wrong?
Blair
 
bm said:
I pressed Alt+Print Screen but nothing happened
I then pressed Print Screen and nothing happened
I have never done this before. Am I doing something wrong?
Blair
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After pressing Print Screen, you need to Paste the captured image into a
Document or other software that will display the image!
 
Ace Fekay said:
If I may suggest, can you take a screenshot of what you are seeing from
both machines and post them to http://skydrive.live.com to see exactly
what you are seeing, please? Also, a snapshot of the Shares in Computer
Management would help. This way I can compare what's being shared to
what's being seen in Network Neighborhood by both machines.

Ace
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I have taken a screenshot of my Desktop PC and posted it in Live Mail. I'm
not sure how I get you to access it
Unfortunately when I tried to do the same on my laptop PC the paste command
was greyed. I used the edit command as well but still greyed out
I still need your help
Blair
 
bm said:
I have taken a screenshot of my Desktop PC and posted it in Live Mail. I'm
not sure how I get you to access it
Unfortunately when I tried to do the same on my laptop PC the paste
command was greyed. I used the edit command as well but still greyed out
I still need your help
Blair
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Further information.
It would appear that the laptop information is the same as the laptop
network information but it is the desktop which is showing a difference
For instance the network has the following extra items
Documents & settings
Epson
1386
KPCMS
MSO Cash
My Documents
PS Fonts
SC
Shared Documents
I should say that I don't use My Documents but My Own Data for the data I
produce.
Note all my partitions are shared and are indicated by the hand symbol.
Blair
 
bm said:
Further information.
It would appear that the laptop information is the same as the laptop
network information but it is the desktop which is showing a difference
For instance the network has the following extra items
Documents & settings
Epson
1386
KPCMS
MSO Cash
My Documents
PS Fonts
SC
Shared Documents
I should say that I don't use My Documents but My Own Data for the data I
produce.
Note all my partitions are shared and are indicated by the hand symbol.
Blair
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Unfortunately, it will be helpful to see the screen shots. After you hit
PrtScreen, paste it into MSPAINT, save them. If you said you uploaded them
to skydrive.live.com, what is the URL at the top of your IE? Post that, it
may help.

Ace
 
bm said:
The first Print Screen for my desktop is on this website
I will post the laptop print screen tomorrow
http://cid-b41453ba5946293e.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Documents

Hope this works
Blair
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So far, it appears your computer is called "Desktop." Tell me when you look
at Computer Management, Shares, if all of those shares appear as shared, and
what their SHARE permissions are. The shares in question for the computer
called "Home: are from what I see (and may be truncated due to where the
list stops at i386):

Backup Karen
Bu Acronis
dell
Documents and Settings
EPSON
i386

Ace
 
Ace Fekay said:
So far, it appears your computer is called "Desktop." Tell me when you
look at Computer Management, Shares, if all of those shares appear as
shared, and what their SHARE permissions are. The shares in question for
the computer called "Home: are from what I see (and may be truncated due
to where the list stops at i386):

Backup Karen
Bu Acronis
dell
Documents and Settings
EPSON
i386

Ace
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I have added two more files which show the shared files
I will now try and find what their permissions are
Blair
 
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