.NET compliants for users

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I am trying to develop .NET programs because the development cycle is
multiple times faster.
But our clients complain that in order to use that, they have to install
..NET first and to do that they need to have administrator rights, so here
comes a lot of paperwork to get one of the IT's to come and install it for
them. (Company policy)

So I am beeing asked to drop .NET and start recreating the program avoiding
..NET and use MFC again.
This is not actually on my wishlist, since it takes 7 times more to do that
same thing.

Have other people problems with this too?
 
Tell the IT people to get off their behinds and install the framework
If they are paying you by the hour then they will soon reap the benefits

Jay
 
But our clients complain that in order to use that, they have to install
.NET first and to do that they need to have administrator rights, so here
comes a lot of paperwork to get one of the IT's to come and install it for
them. (Company policy)
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Try to arrange meting with someone over IT's... it is not too difficult to
make .NET Framework minimal requirement on all machines. In all
companies I work for .NET Framework has same status like Service
Packs and Hot Fixes - MUST have. Just talk to the boss.
So I am beeing asked to drop .NET and start recreating the program avoiding
.NET and use MFC again.
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It sounds me like "Let's all drive bikes. We have too much paperwork if we
wish
to drive car."
This is not actually on my wishlist, since it takes 7 times more to do that
same thing.
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agree...
 
Tell the IT people to get off their behinds and install the framework.
If they are paying you by the hour then they will soon reap the benefits.
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Very good said Jay

Cor
 
I am also IT, so I have been installing .net on all the machines preparing
for the flood of .NET programs coming oit.
Try to arrange meting with someone over IT's... it is not too difficult to
make .NET Framework minimal requirement on all machines. In all
companies I work for .NET Framework has same status like Service
Packs and Hot Fixes - MUST have. Just talk to the boss.
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The big problem is that it is the boss of other companies we try to sell our
software too.
It is the IT form those companies that complain. And in my opinion they
should not, since it is redicilious simple to install.

So,do people here have good arguments that could convince these people to
start installing .NET on all machines default?
One good point would that XP SP2 contains the .NET framework default, but so
far it is not.
It sounds me like "Let's all drive bikes. We have too much paperwork if we
wish to drive car."
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Yes just like that. In reality this means that I will need 7 months to
redesign the proram in VC++ unmanaged code with mfc to recreate the same
program. :-(
I would prefer to add 7 times more functionality to this program in that
same time period.
 
So,do people here have good arguments that could convince these people to
start installing .NET on all machines default?¸
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only money... you can charge more for legacy (c++ or else) programs... it
worked
for me...
One good point would that XP SP2 contains the .NET framework default, but so
far it is not.
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I wait for that moment too...
Yes just like that. In reality this means that I will need 7 months to
redesign the proram in VC++ unmanaged code with mfc to recreate the same
program. :-(
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Get payed by hour...
Sad thing is that, if they have seen development speed with .NET, it will be
weird to them why it takes longer to make same program... :(
 
So,do people here have good arguments that could convince these people
to
only money... you can charge more for legacy (c++ or else) programs... it
worked for me...
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Sometimes I have the impression that people are afraid to start using
technology that is new, they prefer to stick with old technology since they
understand how it works. I actually know people that refuse to install this
..NET because it slows down their computer, but we all know now that this is
not the case.
Get payed by hour...
Sad thing is that, if they have seen development speed with .NET, it will be
weird to them why it takes longer to make same program... :(
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I get payed by the hour. :-)
Typical for none-prorammers: If they see a button then they think everything
is working. ;-)
 
One great tool is to use IntelliMirror with Group policy in a secure domain
environment, this is designed to work with MS Installer , so to get the most
of it you need to deploy using MSI files.
Check Technet and MSDN for details.

Willy.
 
Sometimes I have the impression that people are afraid to start using
technology that is new, they prefer to stick with old technology since they
understand how it works. I actually know people that refuse to install
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this

very true... :(
will
be weird to them why it takes longer to make same program... :(
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I get payed by the hour. :-)
Typical for none-prorammers: If they see a button then they think everything
is working. ;-)
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what's your problem then... :) get rich! :)))
 
what's your problem then... :) get rich! :)))
Not commercial enough, I am a nice guy that would do anything for free.
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:-)

:))

don't ever say "anything for free"... it could be missinterpreted... :))
 
what's your problem then... :) get rich! :)))
:-)

:))

don't ever say "anything for free"... it could be missinterpreted... :))
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:-)

I meant that I reinvest everything I earn into learning new technology and
my girlfriend. :-)
I might not have a bunch of money on my account at the end of my life, but I
wil have had a very interesting life. :-)

These are exciting times! This .NET technology is going to speed up new
technology design in a fast away.
We are reaching Star Trek like technology. :-) (I saw some previews of
Longhorn)
 
I meant that I reinvest everything I earn into learning new technology and
my girlfriend. :-)
I might not have a bunch of money on my account at the end of my life, but I
wil have had a very interesting life. :-)
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that I can agree since I live similar life... :)
We are reaching Star Trek like technology. :-) (I saw some previews of
Longhorn)
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well, I am not too happy with it... I tried to install PDC on two machines
and
install crashed on both of them... next week i will sacrifice another
machine
to see how longhorn and whidbey go together... until then...
 
I meant that I reinvest everything I earn into learning new technology
and
but

that I can agree since I live similar life... :)
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:-) And I don't drink beer but liters of coffee. :-)
well, I am not too happy with it... I tried to install PDC on two machines
and install crashed on both of them... next week i will sacrifice another
machine to see how longhorn and whidbey go together... until then...
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"sacrifixe". :-) Nice word. :-)
I installed XP SP2 last week, and did have installation problems, but they
got resolved and I am happy with it. :-)
I like the fact that Longhorn have the 3D graphics card as desktop. :-) 3D
buttons are rlally 3D. :-)
 
:-) And I don't drink beer but liters of coffee. :-)

shame... every programmer should drink beer... lot of it...
it comes handy when dealing with customers... :))
"sacrifixe". :-) Nice word. :-)
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:))
 
Can I also add some line like
[assembly:ZoneIdentityPolicy(SecurityAction,LocalIntranet=SecurityZone.FullT
rust)] or something like this?
or in the myapp.exe.cconfig file?
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No, that would mean that any program can elevate its priviledges without
user
authorization...
 
I prefer Polish Vodka or STroh Rhum of 80%. :-)

:)
Can this be defined in applic.exe.conf? As some line:
Something like: 'NetworkZone=FullTrust' ????
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I don't think that there is a solution. AFAIK You MUST go
through proper procedure... if any other way was possible,
it would make a huge security problem since any program
could access everything...
 
Can this be defined in applic.exe.conf? As some line:
I don't think that there is a solution. AFAIK You MUST go
through proper procedure... if any other way was possible,
it would make a huge security problem since any program
could access everything...
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You are right about this, and I was afraid of that because of the security
risk, but I had to ask since you never now that there exist a miracle
solution.
This means educating the users how to do this. :-) In 1 year everybody
probably knows how to do this, but at this moment, not many computer users
know how to do this so they resist.

Choosing the right balans between security and ease of use is not always
easy.
 
This means educating the users how to do this. :-) In 1 year everybody
probably knows how to do this, but at this moment, not many computer users
know how to do this so they resist.
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I think that biggest problem I had when going onto .NET platform was taking
some sence into users heads. They've heard that .NET has securitiy flaws,
they've heard that it is slow, they've heard that it will cause world to
collapse...
all heard and nothing proven... but, after some time, when they got used to
it, they are much easier to work with... they even know how to use .NET
Framework Wizards... :))
 
I think that biggest problem I had when going onto .NET platform was
taking
some sence into users heads. They've heard that .NET has securitiy flaws,
they've heard that it is slow, they've heard that it will cause world to
collapse...
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The same problem here. Resistanse for the unknown.
I had it too, I was also convinced that it was like Java, or only for
Internet applications, for one year I avoided it.
But now that I know it, I am convinced that this is the future to go. It
makes programming a lot easier.
all heard and nothing proven... but, after some time, when they got used to
it, they are much easier to work with... they even know how to use .NET
Framework Wizards... :))
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..NET programs are far more user friendly!
And more and more people will like it when they are less vunerable for bugs,
virusses and worms. :-)

I remember those days that people didn't want to go to Windows 95. The
refused they didn't need it. :-)
 
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