NAV2005 def subscriptions

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I was expecting to be able to update with Intelligent Updater,
but a popup said "Your virus protection cannot be updated. Your
subscription has expired." I assumed a subscription was only
needed for Live Update. Are some people able to update older NAV
versions with IU, even when their subscription has expired?
tia,
rt
 
I was expecting to be able to update with Intelligent Updater,
but a popup said "Your virus protection cannot be updated. Your
subscription has expired." I assumed a subscription was only
needed for Live Update. Are some people able to update older NAV
versions with IU, even when their subscription has expired?
tia,
rt
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No, you can't. Anyways you can get cheaper AV than Norton and there
are also solutions which will not cost you anything at all.

There is some information here www.ik-cs.com/a-safe-pc.htm

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
 
Ian said:
No, you can't.
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Yes you can.

The oldest version of NAV I have is on the SystemWorks 2001 CD, and
even that version (when installed on a "clean" PC) is fully compatible
with Symantec's Live Update mechanism (for 1 year) and will download
and use all current virus definition files. The same is true of NAV
that comes with SystemWorks 2002.

When using the above 2 versions (and possibly others), when your
1-year LiveUpdate virus def's expire, what you need to do is

1) un-install NAV (or systemworks, or both)
2) delete all Symantec and Norton System Works directories on your
computer (assuming your only Norton or Symantec product is NAV or
SystemWorks - if you have other stuff like Symantec Fax, then
naturally you don't want to delete those directories)
3) re-install NAV (or systemworks, or both)

If you have properly deleted all Norton/Symantec directories, then
your Live Update subscription (upon re-installation of NAV) should be
1 full year from the date of the re-install. The first time you do a
liveupdate, you can expect to download the whole she-bang (program
updates, etc) as well as the virus def's.
 
Yes you can.

The oldest version of NAV I have is on the SystemWorks 2001 CD, and
even that version (when installed on a "clean" PC) is fully compatible
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[snip]

Yes - it will work if it is a fresh install. Not if it has been
installed for 12 months already.

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
 
Ian said:
Yes you can.

The oldest version of NAV I have is on the SystemWorks 2001 CD,
and even that version (when installed on a "clean" PC) is fully
compatible
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[snip]

Yes - it will work if it is a fresh install. Not if it has been
installed for 12 months already.
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Yes, even on a PC where the 12 month Live Update subscription has
passed, you -->can<--- easily get back another year of subscriptions
by un-installing NAV (or SystemWorks) and then deleting all Norton and
Symantec directories on the computer. Then when you re-install
NAV/SystemWorks, you'll have 1 year of updates.

I haven't tried this yet, but apparently the file
"Catalog.LiveSubscribe" is where the end-date of the subscription is
contained.

There seems to be several different versions of that file floating
around which if used to replace your existing file would set your
subscription end-date to anywhere from the year 2029 to 2115.

If your subscription has already expired, the easiest solution I've
seen says to un-install only "LiveUpdate", delete the file
Catalog.LiveSubscribe (which is found in \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveSubscribe in XP/Win2k systems and
is probably set to hidden on those systems), and then re-install NAV.

I came across this page:

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Norton_AntiVirus_Definitions/942949827/1

(read the post made on Jan 30)

Another take on this can be found here:

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~jsmorgan/Files/Info.txt

And the "new" file can be found here:

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~jsmorgan/Files/Catalog.LiveSubscribe

(apparently a few other goodies can be found there too).

Getting a new catalog.livesubscribe that sets your expiration way into
the 22'nd century is naturally the best option.

Un-installing NAV or Systemworks (and nuking all norton and symantec
directories everywhere on your drive) and then re-installing will also
always work.
 
Virus said:
If you have properly deleted all Norton/Symantec directories, then
your Live Update subscription (upon re-installation of NAV) should be
1 full year from the date of the re-install. The first time you do a
liveupdate, you can expect to download the whole she-bang (program
updates, etc) as well as the virus def's.
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Doesn't that seem just a tad bit unethical? I know it's a "work-around",
but there is this implied contract when you cop to the T&C of the EULA
that defines the period of the license.
 
Ian said:
Are some people able to update older NAV versions with IU,
even when their subscription has expired?

No, you can't.

Yes you can.

The oldest version of NAV I have is on the SystemWorks 2001 CD,
and even that version (when installed on a "clean" PC) is fully
compatible
Click to expand...
[snip]

Yes - it will work if it is a fresh install. Not if it has been
installed for 12 months already.
Click to expand...

Yes, even on a PC where the 12 month Live Update subscription has
passed, you -->can<--- easily get back another year of
subscriptions by un-installing NAV (or SystemWorks) and then
deleting all Norton and Symantec directories on the computer.
Then when you re-install NAV/SystemWorks, you'll have 1 year of
updates.

I haven't tried this yet, but apparently the file
"Catalog.LiveSubscribe" is where the end-date of the subscription
is contained.

There seems to be several different versions of that file floating
around which if used to replace your existing file would set your
subscription end-date to anywhere from the year 2029 to 2115.

If your subscription has already expired, the easiest solution
I've seen says to un-install only "LiveUpdate", delete the file
Catalog.LiveSubscribe (which is found in \Documents and
Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveSubscribe in
XP/Win2k systems and is probably set to hidden on those systems),
and then re-install NAV.

I came across this page:

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Norton_AntiVirus_Definit ions/9
42949827/1

(read the post made on Jan 30)

Another take on this can be found here:

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~jsmorgan/Files/Info.txt

And the "new" file can be found here:

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/ ~jsmorgan/Files/Catalog.LiveSubscri
be

(apparently a few other goodies can be found there too).

Getting a new catalog.livesubscribe that sets your expiration way
into the 22'nd century is naturally the best option.

Un-installing NAV or Systemworks (and nuking all norton and
symantec directories everywhere on your drive) and then
re-installing will also always work.
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I assumed Intelligent Updater and Live Update were independent.
On my old IBM Aptiva computer when the 90 day trial
subscription expired, I was able to use IU to manually update
NAV 4.08 for IBM for several years. I concluded that the
subscription was for the convenience of Live Update and wasn't
required if you updated with IU. This conclusion was reenforced
when NAV was reinstalled after a HD crash. LU worked again for
90 days. After that I went back to using IU. Finally, IU
stopped working after 1/30/05 because Symantec changed the
definition format and used different root certificates. Running
rootsupd.exe didn't work. I wanted to find out if others were
able to use IU after their subscription expired, or was it some
special arrangement that IBM had with Symantec.

rt
 
Yes, even on a PC where the 12 month Live Update subscription has
passed, you -->can<--- easily get back another year of subscriptions
by un-installing NAV (or SystemWorks) and then deleting all Norton and
Symantec directories on the computer. Then when you re-install
NAV/SystemWorks, you'll have 1 year of updates.

I haven't tried this yet, but apparently the file
"Catalog.LiveSubscribe" is where the end-date of the subscription is
contained.
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[snip]

Great information if you want to avoid paying for software. This is
not legal though. I advise that the OP subscribes to an alternative
service such as F-Prot (€21) or Nod32(€39). Beats the hell out of
Symantec for price and performance.

You may also consider AVAST or AVG although I don't recommend any of
them.

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
 
Ian said:
Great information if you want to avoid paying for software. This is
not legal though. I advise that the OP subscribes to an alternative
service such as F-Prot (€21) or Nod32(€39). Beats the hell out of
Symantec for price and performance.
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What is not legal about what the user suggests? It's not illegal to
delete files from your computer. It would likely be a problem if said
user modified the file, but simply deleting it and allowing NAV to
re-create it is hardly illegal.
You may also consider AVAST or AVG although I don't recommend any of
them.
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Why do you not recommend AVG?
 
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