MyIE2 update released

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Thanks for this info.
How do I get a page to open in a new window instead of a new tab when
using window.open()? I couldn't found an option for it.

Thanks
Daniel
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That is a feature that many users would like to have. It is not
possible yet, but theyare working on it. Have you been in the MYIE
forums? Link van be found in the help-menu. There are a lot of extra
information and you can ask direct from the developers.
Jari
 
Thanks for this info.
How do I get a page to open in a new window instead of a new tab when
using window.open()? I couldn't found an option for it.
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You can open tabs at the current location or at the end of the tabs bar.

You can also click "Window,, Cascade" and you will get windows.

I use MyIE2 precisely because I don't want layers of windows.

Bob
 
Bob said:
I use MyIE2 precisely because I don't want layers of windows.
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Of course. However we use it for learning applications which are
designed to have own navigation functionality and own toolbars. In this
case, a new window is necessary.

Thanks for your answer.
Daniel
 
It's not a browser, only an IE add-on.

cHris
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Yes, but to make things easy I call it a browser because from the
users view it is very different from normal IE. We didn't call Windows
98 to Windows 95 add-on or XP as Windows 2000 add-on allthough the
they use quite a lot of same code.
Jari
 
designed to have own navigation functionality and own toolbars. In this
case, a new window is necessary.
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I don't get it. Each tab is really a new window, and all the navigation
tools work for each and every window.

Are you talking about a blank window? Ctrl-N gets you a new blank window.

Bob
 
Yes, but to make things easy I call it a browser because from the
users view it is very different from normal IE. We didn't call Windows
98 to Windows 95 add-on or XP as Windows 2000 add-on allthough the
they use quite a lot of same code.
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Good point. MyIE2 is *technically a browser add-on, but practically, it's a
browser. Let the hair splitters call it a browser shell. I'll simply call it
a browser from now on unless someone asks for the technical description. :)

Bob
 
Yes, but to make things easy I call it a browser because from the
users view it is very different from normal IE.
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I make the distinction between browser and browser add-on clear, so
as to not make people believe that they're getting away from IE's
numerous security problems by using MyIE2 (or similar shells).

Pretty shell or no pretty shell, the root exploits are still there.
We didn't call Windows
98 to Windows 95 add-on or XP as Windows 2000 add-on allthough the
they use quite a lot of same code.
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I don't buy that analogy.

Windows 98 doesn't need Windows 95 to function. The same goes for XP
and 2000. They are all stand-alone. MyIE2 isn't.
 
Rhexis said:
I make the distinction between browser and browser add-on clear, so
as to not make people believe that they're getting away from IE's
numerous security problems by using MyIE2 (or similar shells).

Pretty shell or no pretty shell, the root exploits are still there.


I don't buy that analogy.

Windows 98 doesn't need Windows 95 to function. The same goes for XP
and 2000. They are all stand-alone. MyIE2 isn't.
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Remove the Windows 95 code from Windows 98 and it will cease to function.
Same with 2000 and XP. They share much of the same code.
 
Jordan said:
Remove the Windows 95 code from Windows 98 and it will cease to
function. Same with 2000 and XP. They share much of the same code.
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Are you arguing that /any/ update to a program can be considered an
addon? Because if codesharing is the only prerequisite to meet that
demand then that must be what you're saying.

If you take the above argument to the extreme, you could say that
about /any/ program. Ie. programs whose source share the same lines
of code such as #include <stdio.h>.
 
Rhexis said:
Are you arguing that /any/ update to a program can be considered an
addon? Because if codesharing is the only prerequisite to meet that
demand then that must be what you're saying.

If you take the above argument to the extreme, you could say that
about /any/ program. Ie. programs whose source share the same lines
of code such as #include <stdio.h>.
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I'm not arguing anything. I'm just saying that 95 & 98, 2000 & XP share the
same code bases, not just code. I'd call 98 an enhanced version of 95. Same
with XP & 2000. Netscape 7, Mozilla and K-Meleon, for example, share the
same code base (gecko engine) and they're all standalone browsers. Netscape
4 is a completely different animal based on a different, older, less
efficient code base.

If Microsoft allowed it, MyIE2 and Avant could include the IE code base plus
their add-ons and you'd have full-fledged standalone browsers.

I forgot what the point of all this was ;)
 
I'm not arguing anything. I'm just saying that 95 & 98, 2000 & XP
share the same code bases, not just code. I'd call 98 an enhanced
version of 95. Same with XP & 2000. Netscape 7, Mozilla and K-Meleon,
for example, share the same code base (gecko engine) and they're all
standalone browsers. Netscape 4 is a completely different animal based
on a different, older, less efficient code base.

If Microsoft allowed it, MyIE2 and Avant could include the IE code
base plus their add-ons and you'd have full-fledged standalone
browsers.
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If wishes were horses, beggars could ride. Leaving aside the question of
whether upgrades like Windows 95 to Windows XP can be considered addedons
(I don't think so but it's not relevant), the point is Myie2 is
definitely an addon because you need something else installed to run it.









I forgot what the point of all this was ;)
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Whether Myie2 deserves to be called a full fledged browser?





Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
Good point. MyIE2 is *technically a browser add-on, but practically,
it's a browser.
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Practically? You must admit the most important part of a browser is it
renders html. Myie2 alone does not do that, so it's definitely not a
browser.

Let the hair splitters call it a browser shell. I'll
simply call it a browser from now on unless someone asks for the
technical description. :)
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I disagree, it is important to know the difference. Is it really so
difficult to say that myie2 is a Browser shell and uses the IE html
rendering engine to display websites?

I can imagine a scenario where a newbie, not knowing this and being proud
of his new "browser", decided to use IEeradictor to remove IE, because he
thought myie2 is a standalone browser.

Unless myie2 fans are too ashamed to admit that they favourite "browser"
shares the same exploits and bugs of MS$'s Internet explorer? :)





Bob
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Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
I disagree, it is important to know the difference. Is it really so
difficult to say that myie2 is a Browser shell and uses the IE html
rendering engine to display websites?
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No, it's not difficult to say. It's just that I say exactly what I want to
say.

Rendering this, rendering that. Rendering speed is subjective. Love is
blind. If you have a pet browser, you will not be able to judge it without
bias unless you compare it with a browser rendering speed benchmark. I don't
even know if such a benchmark exists. Do you?

Try this: Make a group of 5 different web pages. Open the group and see how
long it takes all 5 to open. My results: I can't even click on the tabs fast
enough to see them downloading. Rendering schmendering. :)


Yes, I like fast rendering, and the faster the better. But I will not give
up stability and features to gain .1 seconds rendering a web page.
I can imagine a scenario where a newbie, not knowing this and being proud
of his new "browser", decided to use IEeradictor to remove IE, because he
thought myie2 is a standalone browser.
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A newbie that removes IE won't be a newbie for long. I suspect he will get
some hard, real-world lessons. :)
Unless myie2 fans are too ashamed to admit that they favourite "browser"
shares the same exploits and bugs of MS$'s Internet explorer? :)
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I don't suspect that MyIE2 fans are ashamed of anything.

Here, I'll say it for you:

"MyIE2 is a browser shell that utilizes the IE engine, giving it many
improved features without affecting performance or stability of the most
popular Web browser on the planet."

Aaron, just where are all those exploits and bugs you keep seeing? Did they
ambush you or something? Well, not me. When I get whacked or suffer from
bugs, I'll dump MyIE2, IE, Windows, my mamma, and my dog for something
better. Unlike some browser crusaders, I am not loyal to any software. In
fact, I am keeping a close eye on Firebird.

Bob
 
No, it's not difficult to say. It's just that I say exactly what I
want to say.
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Yes, and I say whatever I want to say, which is you are misleading people.
Rendering this, rendering that. Rendering speed is subjective. Love is
blind. If you have a pet browser, you will not be able to judge it
without bias unless you compare it with a browser rendering speed
benchmark. I don't even know if such a benchmark exists. Do you?
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I'm scratching my head wondering why you even brought in rendering speed.
My objection to you calling myie2 a browser has nothing to do with how fast
or slow IE displays webpages.

And yes, actually I do know of benchmarks, several actually.

Yes, I like fast rendering, and the faster the better. But I will not
give up stability and features to gain .1 seconds rendering a web
page.
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Thank you for saying that Gecko browsers are faster, personally, I don't
think this is always true. Gecko browsers are faster for some kinds of
pages while IE are faster for others. That's not my point anyway.

In case, you missed it, the point was, it's misleading to call myie2 a
browser, this has nothing to do with how fast webpages are displayed.

A newbie that removes IE won't be a newbie for long. I suspect he will
get some hard, real-world lessons. :)
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An unnecessary lesson because some myie2 fan was too ashamed to admit that
myie2 wasn't really a browser, but a browser shell.

I don't suspect that MyIE2 fans are ashamed of anything.
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Why then the resistance? Heck you would probably gain even more fans if you
admit it uses IE, since many people find that gecko browsers displays some
websites funny.
Here, I'll say it for you:

"MyIE2 is a browser shell that utilizes the IE engine, giving it many
improved features without affecting performance or stability of the
most popular Web browser on the planet."
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Nice of you to mention it, only when challenged. But *I* already know that,
does the poor newbie who you recommend it to on this newsgroup know that?
Aaron, just where are all those exploits and bugs you keep seeing?
Did they ambush you or something?
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Ignorance is bliss. But surely even you must have read about the dozen of
security exploits out there.
Well, not me. When I get whacked or
suffer from bugs, I'll dump MyIE2, IE, Windows, my mamma, and my dog
for something better.
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Ever got hit by a browser hijack? Spyware?, Driveby activex downloads,
coolwebsearch? Many of them are a direct result of exploits in IE. Even if
the super computer guru that is Bob, has never got infected, surely you
know people who have. And these are the lesser threats.

Besides, when you are hit it will be too late.
Unlike some browser crusaders, I am not loyal to
any software. In fact, I am keeping a close eye on Firebird.
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Still it's funny that you talk about browser crusaders, given that in the
past you have recommended myie2 even when it was not called for.

Everyone asking for a popup blocker you direct to myie2. Once someone was
asking for a program that securely deletes browser history and you
recommended myie2. And when challenged, you admit, you have no idea whether
it actually does that.

Can we say overzealous browser crusader?

Remember I have no wish to get into the merits of browsers and browser
shells. I was just pointing out the fact that calling myie2 a browser is
very misleading before you started talking about rendering speed.

Admittedly, my last sentence was a tease.







Bob
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Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
Unless myie2 fans are too ashamed to admit that they favourite "browser"
shares the same exploits and bugs of MS$'s Internet explorer? :)
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They don't necessary sharethe same bugs. For example the latest big
IE-issue, the falsifyed address in addressbar was fixed in MyIE 2
weeks before MS made their own patch (same time crippling some of the
basic internet functionality, including usernames and passwords in the
address).

Jari
 
They don't necessary sharethe same bugs. For example the latest big
IE-issue, the falsifyed address in addressbar was fixed in MyIE 2
weeks before MS made their own patch (same time crippling some of the
basic internet functionality, including usernames and passwords in the
address).
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but that was an isolated case, one out of about
half a dozen unpatched bugs.


Jari
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Aaron (my email is not munged!)
 
Still it's funny that you talk about browser crusaders, given that in the
past you have recommended myie2 even when it was not called for.
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Well, I'll be the last person in the world to crusade. I've spent the better
part of my life trying to convince people to think for themselves and not
blindly follow the herd. Loyalty to software (and hardware) will never be
repaid.

I've tried almost every new browser and OS, and will continue to do so as
they appear. When I run into a problem, I do whatever is necessary to solve
it. If solving the problem entails switching OS or Web browsers, then I
will. Changing browsers to overcome problems only to encounter a different
set of problems is not really problem solving. I call it "thrashing".

I can only speak to what works for me. Right now, my OS and Web browser are
largely without fault. I recognize that the exact same OS and web browser
may be largely unacceptable to you and millions more, and I respect people's
differences.

MyIE2 has problems. Blood Chien can not get a handle on a nagging focus
problem while using skins. I still use my favorite skin. If I could find a
stable Mozilla-based browser that had the group wrangling flexibility of
MyIE2, I wouldn't hesitate to use it as my default browser.

Bob
 
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