My Vintage Dream PC

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Hi:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-93.html

From the looks of all MoBo's on that site, the "UMC 386DX-40" is
probably the best for my vintage dream PC.

My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:

1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]

2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]

3. Most advanced graphics/video card and PC monitor [screen] that
would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

4. NDW [Norton Desktop for Windows] with Sleeper [screensaver] and
batchrun.exe -- "Norton Desktop (Utility Suite) for Windows 3.0", I
believe.

5. Canyon.mid [midi file often present with Windows OSes] -- Windows
3.0 version if the song specifically sounds different in 3.0

6. Window Entertainment Pack [including the Idlewild screensaver]

7. Creative Lab's SB16 FM MIDI kit

8. The CD-ROM disk that contains what's described in the following
link:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.technology.obsolete/msg/a57ec0bb21f6d19b

9. Three ISA-card modems for the following:

A. The 1st modem is to be used similar to a phone. Perhaps to talk
over the phone via the PC. It is the most advanced ISA telephone card
that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

B. The 2nd modem is for dial-up internet access and uses the most
advanced ISA dial-up modem that would still be compatible with Windows
3.0 and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

C. The 3rd modem uses the European Deaf Telephone [EDT] protocol and
can be used to communicate with the EDT devices in Switzerland. Of
course, I'm assuming this even exists for PCs. Most likely, there is
no EDT-compatible interface for PCs and even if they were, I doubt
they would work with Win 3.0. Hopefully, I'm wrong and EDT does work
with Win 3.0 and the PC hardware. Again, this should be the most
advanced ISA EDT modem that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0
and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

10. The most advanced Netscape-based browser the would be compatible
with Win 3.0

11. "The Software Toolworks Multimedia Encyclopedia", Version 1.5,
Grolier, Inc. (1992)

All of the above should be fully-compatible with the UMC 386DX-40
motherboard.


Thanks
 
Hi:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-93.html

From the looks of all MoBo's on that site, the "UMC 386DX-40" is
probably the best for my vintage dream PC.

My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:

1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]

2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]

3. Most advanced graphics/video card and PC monitor [screen] that
would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

4. NDW [Norton Desktop for Windows] with Sleeper [screensaver] and
batchrun.exe -- "Norton Desktop (Utility Suite) for Windows 3.0", I
believe.

5. Canyon.mid [midi file often present with Windows OSes] -- Windows
3.0 version if the song specifically sounds different in 3.0

6. Window Entertainment Pack [including the Idlewild screensaver]

7. Creative Lab's SB16 FM MIDI kit

8. The CD-ROM disk that contains what's described in the following
link:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.technology.obsolete/msg/a57ec0bb21...

9. Three ISA-card modems for the following:

A. The 1st modem is to be used similar to a phone. Perhaps to talk
over the phone via the PC. It is the most advanced ISA telephone card
that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

B. The 2nd modem is for dial-up internet access and uses the most
advanced ISA dial-up modem that would still be compatible with Windows
3.0 and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

C. The 3rd modem uses the European Deaf Telephone [EDT] protocol and
can be used to communicate with the EDT devices in Switzerland. Of
course, I'm assuming this even exists for PCs. Most likely, there is
no EDT-compatible interface for PCs and even if they were, I doubt
they would work with Win 3.0. Hopefully, I'm wrong and EDT does work
with Win 3.0 and the PC hardware. Again, this should be the most
advanced ISA EDT modem that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0
and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

10. The most advanced Netscape-based browser the would be compatible
with Win 3.0

11. "The Software Toolworks Multimedia Encyclopedia", Version 1.5,
Grolier, Inc. (1992)
Click to expand...

Early memory "sticks" were early options to still extant DRAM
"critters" -- 18-pin modules, thumb-seated in banks of 9 to a row, 9th
being parity. I'm not sure that present incarnations would earlier on
have been called SIMM, either, when memory slots also first coexisted
with chipped variants. Then, the modem communications thing wouldn't
have been ISA-centric, no indeed, because everybody [that was anybody
knew] preferred a serial external modem for state of the art, usually
2400-9600 ranging USR Couriers and a few Paradyne Comspheres later on
competing with them. Standards imposed were similarly stated within
bragging rights over long-distance connects into Chinopeka, Canada, or
Bumfuk, Egypt, respective to and only during severe and most
extenuating blizzards and sandstorms. Between a MB, first Intel 386
CPUs, and memory, $900/US is within expectations. An EGA board and
monitor, another $600. The Comsphere ran $2000 and Couriers over
$1000, with lesser connects at 1200/2400BAUD apropos to masses for
$100/200. Single-speed CDs to attract massive storage offerings were
at first $1000 until parallel and SCSI offerings entered at $500. An
IDE controller could be expected included with the first MFM HDs that
superceded prohibitively priced RLLs, at around $300 for 20M,
typically for a "SeaSnake" brand.

Before that, mostly a bunch of weirdos in public coffee
establishments, with thier early Ratshack boxes programming "89
Bottles of Beer on the Wall", desperately seeking circuitous egress
into an unwary audience willing to listen to their stories about 10"
platters in boxes, and such nonsense not directly related to a
workings within NASA or NSA.
 
The Brass Turner said:
thats not vintage enough..........I was clearing out my fathers garage
yesterday and found a 386(1987ish) tower. So decided to take out the HDD
before disposal. When I opened it up I just could not see the hard drive,
I looked everywhere.............and there it was right in front of my
eyes............all 300mm x 200mm x 100mm..........wow.
Click to expand...

I've still got a couple 8086 boxes around here somewhere.

Jon
 
GreenXenon said:
Hi:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-93.html

From the looks of all MoBo's on that site, the "UMC 386DX-40" is
probably the best for my vintage dream PC.

My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:

1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]

2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]

3. Most advanced graphics/video card and PC monitor [screen] that
would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

4. NDW [Norton Desktop for Windows] with Sleeper [screensaver] and
batchrun.exe -- "Norton Desktop (Utility Suite) for Windows 3.0", I
believe.

5. Canyon.mid [midi file often present with Windows OSes] -- Windows
3.0 version if the song specifically sounds different in 3.0

6. Window Entertainment Pack [including the Idlewild screensaver]

7. Creative Lab's SB16 FM MIDI kit

8. The CD-ROM disk that contains what's described in the following
link:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.technology.obsolete/msg/a57ec0bb21f6d19b

9. Three ISA-card modems for the following:

A. The 1st modem is to be used similar to a phone. Perhaps to talk
over the phone via the PC. It is the most advanced ISA telephone card
that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

B. The 2nd modem is for dial-up internet access and uses the most
advanced ISA dial-up modem that would still be compatible with Windows
3.0 and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

C. The 3rd modem uses the European Deaf Telephone [EDT] protocol and
can be used to communicate with the EDT devices in Switzerland. Of
course, I'm assuming this even exists for PCs. Most likely, there is
no EDT-compatible interface for PCs and even if they were, I doubt
they would work with Win 3.0. Hopefully, I'm wrong and EDT does work
with Win 3.0 and the PC hardware. Again, this should be the most
advanced ISA EDT modem that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0
and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

10. The most advanced Netscape-based browser the would be compatible
with Win 3.0

11. "The Software Toolworks Multimedia Encyclopedia", Version 1.5,
Grolier, Inc. (1992)

All of the above should be fully-compatible with the UMC 386DX-40
motherboard.


Thanks
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Now where did I put that $300USD Creative Labs Multimedia kit with the
SB card and a Sony 2x CD. Oh yeah here it is....made my 386-DX40 into a
multimedia computer so I could play 7th Guest!
 
http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-93.html
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Interesting rewriting of history. The 386DX-40 was never the
"standard" chip in the manner that page describes - Intel never
bothered with such a chip at all althoug the others certainly did.
The 386SX actually had quite a reasonable life: it was a good option
for maybe five years until 486's became dominant in 1993-4.
From the looks of all MoBo's on that site, the "UMC 386DX-40" is
probably the best for my vintage dream PC.

My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:

1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]

2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]
Click to expand...

Now this is contradictory. Windows 3.0 did not include multimedia
support. To get that you had to install the Multimedia Extensions.
From memory that was the same upgrade that updated the version to
3.0a. For the same reason, you won't get canyon.mid in plain 3.0.
 
Does that exist?
Click to expand...

Sure. You need a winsock but there's no big problem with that.
I would have thought many on this group would first have gone online
with Windows 3.x and Netscape.
 
Sure. You need a winsock but there's no big problem with that.
I would have thought many on this group would first have gone online
with Windows 3.x and Netscape.
Click to expand...

I thought that it was still Mosaic at that point, and that Win95 came out
before Netscape. But I guess now that I think about it, I WAS using 3.1
with Netscape. It was so cool that the page would start to appear before
the entire thng downloaded! And then came the progressive-loading GIFs.
At that point, we stopped cursing pages that had pictures in addition to
text. My ISP had a T1 line, and their tech guy nvited me in to watch a web
page download at an amazing 2 Mb/Second or whatever it was.

And Usenet was in its golden era...
 
My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:
Click to expand...
1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]
Click to expand...
2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]
Click to expand...


Now this is contradictory. Windows 3.0 did not include multimedia
support. To get that you had to install the Multimedia Extensions.
From memory that was the same upgrade that updated the version to
3.0a. For the same reason, you won't get canyon.mid in plain 3.0.
Click to expand...


Didn't Windows 3.0 in "enhanced mode" have multimedia support without
needing to change to 3.0a?
 
Hi:


My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:
Click to expand...

I still have an original 1983 IBM PC sitting in my basement... can't get
more vintage than that.
 
Didn't Windows 3.0 in "enhanced mode" have multimedia support without
needing to change to 3.0a?
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No. You definitely need the multimedia extensions, or Windows 3.1
which included them as standard. As I said earlier, I believe the
multimedia extensions _were_ the version bump to 3.0a, but it was
a long time ago and I may be wrong there.
 
Andrew Smallshaw said:
Sure. You need a winsock but there's no big problem with that.
I would have thought many on this group would first have gone online
with Windows 3.x and Netscape.
Click to expand...

First build was a 386sx33 First dabble was a dial in bulletin board so not
strictly net just as well really as my slow typing speed was still much
faster than the download speed a bit like the teleprinter on BBC
Grandstand, IIRC 9600 modem the 14400 came a little later
A bit of nostalgia if you remember Grandstand in B&W can you remember
this? (OT BTW)

DerekW
 
GreenXenon said:
Hi:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-93.html

From the looks of all MoBo's on that site, the "UMC 386DX-40" is
probably the best for my vintage dream PC.

My vintage dream PC contains that MoBo along with the following:

1. OS: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0]

2. Sound Card: SB16 ISA [all accessories -- such as speakers --
included]

3. Most advanced graphics/video card and PC monitor [screen] that
would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

4. NDW [Norton Desktop for Windows] with Sleeper [screensaver] and
batchrun.exe -- "Norton Desktop (Utility Suite) for Windows 3.0", I
believe.

5. Canyon.mid [midi file often present with Windows OSes] -- Windows
3.0 version if the song specifically sounds different in 3.0

6. Window Entertainment Pack [including the Idlewild screensaver]

7. Creative Lab's SB16 FM MIDI kit

8. The CD-ROM disk that contains what's described in the following
link:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.technology.obsolete/msg/a57ec0bb21f6d19b

9. Three ISA-card modems for the following:

A. The 1st modem is to be used similar to a phone. Perhaps to talk
over the phone via the PC. It is the most advanced ISA telephone card
that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0 and other softwares/
hardwares in my vintage dream PC

B. The 2nd modem is for dial-up internet access and uses the most
advanced ISA dial-up modem that would still be compatible with Windows
3.0 and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

C. The 3rd modem uses the European Deaf Telephone [EDT] protocol and
can be used to communicate with the EDT devices in Switzerland. Of
course, I'm assuming this even exists for PCs. Most likely, there is
no EDT-compatible interface for PCs and even if they were, I doubt
they would work with Win 3.0. Hopefully, I'm wrong and EDT does work
with Win 3.0 and the PC hardware. Again, this should be the most
advanced ISA EDT modem that would still be compatible with Windows 3.0
and other softwares/hardwares in my vintage dream PC

10. The most advanced Netscape-based browser the would be compatible
with Win 3.0

11. "The Software Toolworks Multimedia Encyclopedia", Version 1.5,
Grolier, Inc. (1992)

All of the above should be fully-compatible with the UMC 386DX-40
motherboard.


Thanks
Click to expand...
Packard Bell can fix you right up.
 
Windows3.0 Multimedia/Windowswith Mulimedia Extensions Version 1.0
is not the same thing asWindows3.0a.
Click to expand...

Why don't you go out and test this before going out and telling users
that are obviously more knowledgeable than you that they are wrong?
Andrew is right, or at least not wrong, whereas your misinformed
comments demonstrably are. You begin with a plain vanilla copy of
Windows 3.0 and apply the Multimedia Extensions. You end up with
Windows 3.0a. That isn't up for debate: try it if you do not believe
me.

Where Andrew's answer is incomplete is the 3.0a upgrade was available
separately. That isn't the case with the multimedia though since that
incorporated 3.0a in it. In short, you can't upgrade to multimedia
without upgrading to 3.0a.

Trust me: I know all about this. I still have a program that needs
Windows running in real mode. I keep trying to upgrade but it has
never proven cost effective.

<Kate>
 
Why don't you go out and test this before going out and telling users
that are obviously more knowledgeable than you that they are wrong?
Andrew is right, or at least not wrong, whereas your misinformed
comments demonstrably are. You begin with a plain vanilla copy of
Windows 3.0 and apply the Multimedia Extensions. You end up with
Windows 3.0a. That isn't up for debate: try it if you do not believe
me.
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"Radium" is a troll. The number of newsgroups the original message
was posted to should be an indicator, and the subject header "vintage
dream PC" should also be a telltale. He's done this sort of thing
repeatedly in other newsgroups, posting about nonsense and then when
he doesn't like the answer, acting like others are the problem.

Michael
 
http://tinyurl.com/dm9xv9
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Safe mode != real mode. Modern versions of Windows don't really
have the different memory modes that Windows 3.0 had. It had three
- real, standard and 386 enhanced. Now your system only ever runs
in a "386 enhanced on steroids" mode, even in safe mode, at least
for the 32 bit versions of Windows.

In real mode you're limited to 640k base memory. The program in
question is presumably doing some DOS-style low-level messing around
with memory which would be tripped up by a more secure memory model.
 
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