Must Norton AV and Firewall be renewed separately?

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Timothy Daniels

I installed AV 2003 as part of SystemWorks, and
I installed PFW 2003 as a separate product, both
packages being the WinXP versions.
Can both the AV and PFW subscriptions be renewed
by purchasing a renewal to Internet Security 2003?

*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy Daniels said:
I installed AV 2003 as part of SystemWorks, and
I installed PFW 2003 as a separate product, both
packages being the WinXP versions.
Can both the AV and PFW subscriptions be renewed
by purchasing a renewal to Internet Security 2003?

*TimDaniels*
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Norton Internet Security (NIS) includes an embedded version of Norton
Antivirus (NAV): you can install NIS with or without NAV but you cannot
install NAV separately (i.e., you get a NIS version of NAV, and you
don't get a stand-alone version of NAV). That means *if* you have NIS
then you only need to buy 1 subscription for NIS and the embedded NAV.
You don't have NIS. You have PFW and NAV. You'll have to buy 2
subscriptions, one for each.

What, you didn't think they would check the product/account code to
determine if the subscription applied to that product? You had to
register to get an account code. It is highly likely that a NIS
subscription applies *ONLY* against a NIS product. You could try buying
a NIS subscription to update stand-alone NAV and PFW and hope you don't
end up wasting your money on a subscription that refuses to apply
against a product that you don't have.

Since the subscription is only about $10 cheaper than getting the
upgrade to the newer version, I've never found it economical to buy
subscriptions. If you have hundreds of computers to maintain at your
company then, yeah, $10/license can add up to some real cost savings.
You'll spend $40 on the subscriptions to stand-alone NAV and PFW, so for
just $10 more you could upgrade to the latest version of NIS. Or, you
could save the $40 or $50 and get something for free, like Sygate
Personal Firewall (http://smb.sygate.com/) or ZoneAlarm
(http://www.zonelabs.com/) and a free 1-year subscription to the latest
version of Computer Associates' EzAntivirus
(http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft). Since you are a Comcast customer,
you could get the free McAfee firewall through Comcast (there are links
on their home pages once you login) but I don't know if it is any good
and the Sygate (and probably ZoneAlarm Free) might be better.
 
Vanguardx said:
Norton Internet Security (NIS) includes an embedded
version of Norton Antivirus (NAV): you can install NIS
with or without NAV but you cannot install NAV separately
(i.e., you get a NIS version of NAV, and you don't get a
stand-alone version of NAV). That means *if* you have NIS
then you only need to buy 1 subscription for NIS and the
embedded NAV. You don't have NIS. You have PFW
and NAV. You'll have to buy 2 subscriptions, one for each.
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Actually, I have System Works and PFW, but the subscription
for System Works is the same as that for AV (which System
Works contains).

What, you didn't think they would check the product/account
code to determine if the subscription applied to that product?
You had to register to get an account code.
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Hey, it was 1 1/2 years ago. I don't remember *what* I had
to do to get it working.


It is highly likely that a NIS subscription applies *ONLY* against
a NIS product. You could try buying a NIS subscription to update
stand-alone NAV and PFW and hope you don't end up wasting
your money on a subscription that refuses to apply against a
product that you don't have.
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That's exactly the reason for my posting. I'm a student,
and saving $10 counts.

Another reason I need to keep the cost down is because I
multi-boot multiple copies of WinXP. Multiple subscriptions
would be costly. (See other thread.)

Since the subscription is only about $10 cheaper than getting the
upgrade to the newer version, I've never found it economical to buy
subscriptions.
If you have hundreds of computers to maintain at your
company then, yeah, $10/license can add up to some real cost
savings. You'll spend $40 on the subscriptions to stand-alone
NAV and PFW, so for just $10 more you could upgrade to the
latest version of NIS.
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I don't need all the anti-spam, anti-spyware, and parental controls.
And I don't want the software bloat and slowdown that comes with it.
I just want what 2003 provides.

Or, you could save the $40 or $50 and get something for free,
like Sygate Personal Firewall (http://smb.sygate.com/) or ZoneAlarm
(http://www.zonelabs.com/) and a free 1-year subscription to the latest
version of Computer Associates' EzAntivirus
(http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft). Since you are a Comcast customer,
you could get the free McAfee firewall through Comcast (there are links
on their home pages once you login) but I don't know if it is any good
and the Sygate (and probably ZoneAlarm Free) might be better.
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I used to use Free Zone Alarm. But the popular PC mags
repeatedly rate Norton AV highest. And with ZA Pro rated
about even with Norton PFW, I figured I'd have good protection
and least hassles if the AV and firewall were from the same
company.

*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy Daniels said:
I installed AV 2003 as part of SystemWorks, and
I installed PFW 2003 as a separate product, both
packages being the WinXP versions.
Can both the AV and PFW subscriptions be renewed
by purchasing a renewal to Internet Security 2003?
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Do yourself a favour and don't bother.

Get Sygate Firewall which is free and NOD32 AV. You'll notice a bit
more money in your pocket and a less sluggish system with less crashes.
 
Timothy Daniels said:
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Another reason I need to keep the cost down is because I
multi-boot multiple copies of WinXP. Multiple subscriptions
would be costly. (See other thread.)
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The NAV license says, "You may use one copy of the Software on a single
computer." If you are multibooting then you can only have one instance
of NAV running and it is on the same computer. Perhaps the license for
Systemworks and PFW are different.
I used to use Free Zone Alarm. But the popular PC mags
repeatedly rate Norton AV highest. And with ZA Pro rated
about even with Norton PFW, I figured I'd have good protection
and least hassles if the AV and firewall were from the same
company.
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I ran into very little hassle using Sygate Personal Firewall and CA
EzAntivirus other than having to configure them and answer the prompts
when an application wanted to make a connection which you can have the
firewall remember (I *never* let Norton's firewall use its auto-list of
application rules and prefer to always authorize a program to let it
make an Internet connection, and since I can have it remember then I
don't have to answer that prompt again unless the program gets updated
so it looks like a different program to the firewall). I guess if I was
penny pinching then getting a firewall and an anti-virus program for
free then I could suffer the learning curve to configure and maintain
them. Although the free subscription to CA EzAntivirus would run out a
year after you install it, hey, that's a year you don't have to pay.
The download for CA EzAntivirus is discontinued in February 2005 but it
will work for 1 year after you install it. Personally I don't like the
UI for ZoneAlarm and found Sygate to have more potent features even in
its freebie version.

If you are intent on getting Norton Internet Security (although you said
you did NOT want the bloatware) because you want to pay for just one
subscription, why not just buy the old version for cheap, like only $8
for 2003 and $15 for 2004 (do a search at http://www.pricewatch.com/ or
http://www.ebay.com/)? Just be sure you get one that includes 1 year
for a subscription (some only give you 3 months). I'm still using the
2003 version because there has been no bang for the buck. My
subscription runs out sometime mid-2005 and I'll probably dump it and
use Sygate Personal Firewall (free) and install CA EzAntiVirus (1-year
free) and figure out a year later what I want.
 
Vanguardx said:
The NAV license says, "You may use one copy of the Software
on a single computer."
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Multibooting *does* use only one copy of the Software on
a single computer because only one copy can be used at
any time.

If you are multibooting then you can only have one instance
of NAV running and it is on the same computer.
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Right. In multbooting, only one instance can be in RAM at
any time by definition of "instance" and the "load" implied
by "boot".
[............]
If you are intent on getting Norton Internet Security (although
you said you did NOT want the bloatware) because you want
to pay for just one subscription,
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I don't want the entire NIS 2003 (I currently don't *have* NIS),
but perhaps renewing a subscription to it would renew my
AV 2003 and PFW 2003.

why not just buy the old version for cheap, like only $8 for 2003
and $15 for 2004 (do a search at http://www.pricewatch.com/ or
http://www.ebay.com/)? Just be sure you get one that include
1 year for a subscription (some only give you 3 months).
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Great suggestion! I didn't know the old versions were still
being sold. Thanks.

*TimDaniels*
 
Conor said:
Get Sygate Firewall which is free and NOD32 AV.
You'll notice a bit more money in your pocket and
a less sluggish system with less crashes.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not feeling too bold
right now, so I'll purchase a single copy of 2003
NIS and uninstall AV and PFW, then install the NIS
2003. Using images of that system, I can remake
my other versions of the OS. My current usage really
doesn't need a fast internet interface, and it crashes
only rarely (from what, I don't know).

*TimDaniels*
 
Vanguardx said:
If you are intent on getting Norton Internet Security (although you said
you did NOT want the bloatware) because you want to pay for just one
subscription, why not just buy the old version for cheap, like only $8
for 2003 and $15 for 2004 (do a search at http://www.pricewatch.com/ or
http://www.ebay.com/)? Just be sure you get one that includes 1 year
for a subscription (some only give you 3 months). I'm still using the
2003 version because there has been no bang for the buck. My
subscription runs out sometime mid-2005 and I'll probably dump it and
use Sygate Personal Firewall (free) and install CA EzAntiVirus (1-year
free) and figure out a year later what I want.
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I found that RowCal (listed in PriceWatch) was in southern Calif,
probably in Rowland Heights, so I emailed them to ask if I could
come over and pay cash since I was on a tight schedule. They
never answered. Since I don't do business with people whose
address I can't find and who don't have a telephone no., I flushed
that idea and paid for single renewals at the Symantec website.
Then I entered the activation code in each cloned OS in the
machine, and the Norton products in each OS extended its sub-
scription for a year. Bottom line: I renewed the NAV and NSW
(i.e. NPFW) subscriptions in each of 10 OSes (8 backup) for the
price of one renewal. Again, that was possible because each was
derived and descendant from the same OS and Norton software
installation.

*TimDaniels*
 
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