MSIE 7 May Beat Longhorn Out The Gate

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Doctor said:
MSIE7 has gotta be totally off-topic in a FREEWARE newsgroup.

No flame war this time tho ?? Must be one of Corliss' mates.
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Why do you want a flame war?
You're barking up your own tree Pal!
 
Why do you want a flame war?
You're barking up your own tree Pal!
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Why bother answering, u bark up Brainless's tree.
Whats good for the goose obviously ain't good for the gander.
If I, or countless others, had posted the reference to a Microsoft product
in this newsgroup we woulda been flamed by you and Spineless.

So what gives ?? You allowed to do it ?? I suppose thats in the "CHARTER"
somewhere ...... the "CHARTER" that appears when "required" by you (the
ass-licker) and your favorite ass (Corliss).
 
It was a dark and stormy night when Daniel Mandic

If someone ask on alt.comp.freeware for a win32 GUI-based calculator to
do basic math what the regulars should recommend?

A) the one provided with the operating system.
-or-
B) one listed on the Pricelessware.

What I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong (IMO of course)
recommending what is provided with (or is part of) the operating system
as long as it acomplishes what the OP asks for.
Hello!

Can I use, Microsoft´s Internet Explorer with a freeware operating
system?
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To tell you the truth I just don't understand your question. Can you
please be a little bit more specific?

Regards
 
Yes, you can run IE under Solaris.
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Internet Explorer for UNIX Home Page
<http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp>

Internet Explorer for UNIX

We sincerely apologize, but Internet Explorer technologies for
UNIX are no longer available for download. Visit the Internet
Explorer Web site for more information on Internet Explorer.
BTW, there's a lot of freeware mentioned in this newsgroup that
only runs under windows.
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The EULAs for freeware don't rule out running it under WINE; AFAIK,
Microsoft still requires a valid licence for one of its operating
systems in order to use the IE Windows binaries. Maybe IE for OSX
is freeware, though, I dunno.
 
»Q« said:
Internet Explorer for UNIX Home Page
<http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp>

Internet Explorer for UNIX

We sincerely apologize, but Internet Explorer technologies for
UNIX are no longer available for download. Visit the Internet
Explorer Web site for more information on Internet Explorer.
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Don't think it matters in this case, as there are a lot of
hard-to-find-last-freeware-versions of programs turned shareware somewhere
on the internet, but if you want it, you can find a IE-version for solaris
here :
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/microsoft/internet-explorer/Solaris/
The EULAs for freeware don't rule out running it under WINE; AFAIK,
Microsoft still requires a valid licence for one of its operating
systems in order to use the IE Windows binaries. Maybe IE for OSX
is freeware, though, I dunno.
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I'm not into WINE, so I wouldn't know what apps run under it or not. My very
careful guess is that at least 50% of the people in ACF are using a
windows-version as their OS, so IMHO IE is on topic here as it is freeware
for them at least.
OE even made it to the last pricelessware-list, don't know if that works
under WINE, concluding from your post IE doesn't so OE shouldn't either.
Still it's pricelessware, so I guess it's on topic here.
I'm using win98SE, there are freeware programs that require a 'higher'
version of Windows. Me not being able to run them doesn't mean they're not
freeware.
So in my opinion IE is on topic here as are the freeware programs that
depend on it.

Rod
 
Don't think it matters in this case, as there are a lot of
hard-to-find-last-freeware-versions of programs turned shareware
somewhere on the internet, but if you want it, you can find a
IE-version for solaris here :
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/microsoft/internet-explorer/Sola
ris/
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A lot of former freeware is redistributed without the permission of
its copyright holder. Unless Microsoft gave permission to
planetmirror to redistribute, it's not freeware. Redistribution is
not something Microsoft usually grants, but I don't care much, and
I'm not about to bother checking this case.
I'm not into WINE, so I wouldn't know what apps run under it or
not. My very careful guess is that at least 50% of the people in
ACF are using a windows-version as their OS, so IMHO IE is on
topic here as it is freeware for them at least.
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It's not legal to run IE on Windows unless you've got a paid-for
licence for Windows.
so IMHO IE is on topic here as it is freeware for them at least.
OE even made it to the last pricelessware-list,
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Note that I have not made any claims about IE/OE being off-topic or
about what's suitable for the PL. Further note that the PL contains
many apps that are not freeware.
don't know if that works under WINE, concluding from your post IE
doesn't so OE shouldn't either.
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AFAIK it's still illegal to run OE under WINE. IE/OE for Windows is
distributed as a single package, with one EULA.
Still it's pricelessware, so I guess it's on
topic here. I'm using win98SE, there are freeware programs that
require a 'higher' version of Windows.
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The only programs I know of which require a valid, paid-for Windows
OS license as part of their EULAs are Microsoft programs. IE/OE for
Windows is sold bundled with Microsoft operating systems; it's not
legal to download and use unless you buy the bundle.
 
Hey Rod ([email protected])! You wrote in message <2nrvgqF402atU1@uni-
berlin.de>, at group alt.comp.freeware, on the date of Tue, 10 Aug 2004
15:04:42 +0200:
Yes it is, but IIRC it can also be downloaded for free from M$.
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And some version run under WINE on Linux.
Tricky to get going but...

[]s
 
»Q« said:
<SNIPPED
A lot of former freeware is redistributed without the permission of
its copyright holder. Unless Microsoft gave permission to
planetmirror to redistribute, it's not freeware. Redistribution is
not something Microsoft usually grants, but I don't care much, and
I'm not about to bother checking this case.
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Please don't, the last time I saw IE run under Solaris it was slow as a
snail in reverse.
It's not legal to run IE on Windows unless you've got a paid-for
licence for Windows.
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Correct, but for the people here who have such a license, etcetera. I feel a
big agree to disagree coming on this one.
Note that I have not made any claims about IE/OE being off-topic or
about what's suitable for the PL. Further note that the PL contains
many apps that are not freeware.
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Noted the first part, for the second part: there are ?
AFAIK it's still illegal to run OE under WINE. IE/OE for Windows is
distributed as a single package, with one EULA.
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Didn't know that, so how about the IE for Mac, is there a different EULA for
that ?
It's free ( at least it was the last time I owned a Mac).
The only programs I know of which require a valid, paid-for Windows
OS license as part of their EULAs are Microsoft programs. IE/OE for
Windows is sold bundled with Microsoft operating systems; it's not
legal to download and use unless you buy the bundle.
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Like I said, a lot of people here (and not here) have a window$-license.
But, out of curiousity, do you think IE is on-topic here ? Do you consider
it freeware ? What's your definition of freeware ? ( the last question
jumped to me after your remark about the PLW containing non-freeware
programs)

Regards,
Rod
 
To tell you the truth I just don't understand your question. Can you
please be a little bit more specific?

Regards
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Otherwise, I can install Internet Explorer 5.5 on a Windows 95a. This
Version of Windows was not coupled with Internet Explorer, as I know.
It was IE2.0 installed on Win95!

So, IE5 or 6 is freeware!




Good Bye
 
Correct, but for the people here who have such a license,
etcetera.
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Right. They bought IE/OE along with that licence. They get free
upgrades to the broswer suite they bought, but free upgrades to
paid-for software are not freeware.
Noted the first part, for the second part: there are ?
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"Many" is a relative term, so YMMV. You can have a look at the 2004
list, sorted by ware type, at
<http://pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndex.php?sortby=Ware_type>.
None of it is as far from the spirit of freeware as IE/OE
is, with the possible exception of the nagware Trillian.
Didn't know that, so how about the IE for Mac, is there a
different EULA for that ?
It's free ( at least it was the last time I owned a Mac).
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I guess it's freeware; I don't know.
Like I said, a lot of people here (and not here) have a
window$-license.
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A lot of people here and else wherehave valid licences for Ahead
cd-burning software and can download free upgrades, yet it's not
freeware.
But, out of curiousity, do you think IE is on-topic here ?
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No comment.
Do you consider it freeware ?
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It's commercial software.
What's your definition of freeware ?
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I'll go with the group's concensus.

Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

In the case of IE/OE for Windows, the cost is monetary.
( the last question jumped to me after
your remark about the PLW containing non-freeware programs)
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Just to be clear, the only ones I object being on the list are
Trillian and OE. I haven't taken a look at the EULAs for the other
Microsoft "freeware" on the list.
 
»Q« said:
Right. They bought IE/OE along with that licence. They get free
upgrades to the broswer suite they bought, but free upgrades to
paid-for software are not freeware.
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Fair enough, I understand your point.
"Many" is a relative term, so YMMV. You can have a look at the 2004
list, sorted by ware type, at
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None of it is as far from the spirit of freeware as IE/OE
is, with the possible exception of the nagware Trillian.
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Again, fair enough, I see more programs there (mostly nagware) which I think
are a bit out of line being on the list.
I guess it's freeware; I don't know.


A lot of people here and else wherehave valid licences for Ahead
cd-burning software and can download free upgrades, yet it's not
freeware.
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Good point well taken..
No comment.
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Shooot, that was the only thing I wanted to know, as that's how this
discussion got started.
It's commercial software.
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You got me convinced.
I'll go with the group's concensus.

Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.
Noted.

In the case of IE/OE for Windows, the cost is monetary.
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Convinced again.
Just to be clear, the only ones I object being on the list are
Trillian and OE. I haven't taken a look at the EULAs for the other
Microsoft "freeware" on the list.
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Thank you for making your points in a very clear and civilized way. Instead
of agreeing to disagree, you convinced me, IE is commercial. As for it being
on- or offtopic, now I'm not even sure anymore.

Rod
 
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