MS Windows Live One Care

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Pete

OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
-Pete
 
From: "Pete" <[email protected]>

| OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
| Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
| -Pete
|

You should have asked PRIOR to purchasing it !

No. As an anti virus product it falls way short of it peers.
 
David said:
From: "Pete" <[email protected]>

| OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
| Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
| -Pete
|

You should have asked PRIOR to purchasing it !

No. As an anti virus product it falls way short of it peers.
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To beat a metaphor to death, you are asking the fox to guard the henhouse.

1) Do any of the One Care Live components alert you to _concerns_
about WGA, dnsapi.dll, Sony rootkits, etc.,?

2) When new IE/OE exploits surface, will One Care Live warn you to use
another browser/client until the next second Tuesday?

3) And don't forget the Claria fiasco. MS has partnered with so many
companies, do you really think that an MS security product will blow
the whistle on one of them when privacy concerns arise?

Ron :)
 
Pete said:
OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
-Pete
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You *bought* a product without knowing anything about it?
 
From: "Ron Lopshire" <[email protected]>

|>> OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
|>> Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
|>> -Pete
|>>|
| To beat a metaphor to death, you are asking the fox to guard the henhouse.
|
| 1) Do any of the One Care Live components alert you to _concerns_
| about WGA, dnsapi.dll, Sony rootkits, etc.,?
|
| 2) When new IE/OE exploits surface, will One Care Live warn you to use
| another browser/client until the next second Tuesday?
|
| 3) And don't forget the Claria fiasco. MS has partnered with so many
| companies, do you really think that an MS security product will blow
| the whistle on one of them when privacy concerns arise?
|
| Ron :)

The Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool, MRT.EXE, is purported to remove the Sony DRM
RootKit.
 
David said:
From: "Ron Lopshire" <[email protected]>


|>> OK, I bought the package that allows installation on three machines.
|>> Is this antivirus/spyware program any good? What do you think?
|>> -Pete
|>>


|
| To beat a metaphor to death, you are asking the fox to guard the henhouse.
|
| 1) Do any of the One Care Live components alert you to _concerns_
| about WGA, dnsapi.dll, Sony rootkits, etc.,?
|
| 2) When new IE/OE exploits surface, will One Care Live warn you to use
| another browser/client until the next second Tuesday?
|
| 3) And don't forget the Claria fiasco. MS has partnered with so many
| companies, do you really think that an MS security product will blow
| the whistle on one of them when privacy concerns arise?
|

The Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool, MRT.EXE, is purported to remove the Sony DRM
RootKit.
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IIRC, that happened after Mark Russinovich blew the whistle. Alas, one
less whistleblower ... sigh.

BTW, a couple that I forgot:

1) Windows Media Player. (Where is Far Canal when you need him? [g])
Will One Care Live/Windows Defender alert the user when Microsoft
Updates resets all of the security settings in WMP? And, IIUC, this
includes the Flashcrap settings that can only be reset from the
Macromedia/Adobe web site.

2) ActiveX, of course, goes without saying. I always found it humorous
(or not!) when MSAS alerted me that I was installing SW's IESPYAD or
Enough is Enough!, but had no problem whatsoever when I reset IE6's
security level to default. I will assume that One Care Live/Windows
Defender is similarly proprietarily selective about what is unsecure
and what is not.

Ron :)
 
From: "Ron Lopshire" <[email protected]>


|
| IIRC, that happened after Mark Russinovich blew the whistle. Alas, one
| less whistleblower ... sigh.
|
| BTW, a couple that I forgot:
|
| 1) Windows Media Player. (Where is Far Canal when you need him? [g])
| Will One Care Live/Windows Defender alert the user when Microsoft
| Updates resets all of the security settings in WMP? And, IIUC, this
| includes the Flashcrap settings that can only be reset from the
| Macromedia/Adobe web site.
|
| 2) ActiveX, of course, goes without saying. I always found it humorous
| (or not!) when MSAS alerted me that I was installing SW's IESPYAD or
| Enough is Enough!, but had no problem whatsoever when I reset IE6's
| security level to default. I will assume that One Care Live/Windows
| Defender is similarly proprietarily selective about what is unsecure
| and what is not.
|
| Ron :)

I find it amazing that as many anti virus companies are appluad ActiveX to the point of
requiring it to use their respective online anti malware software.

The one difference is Trend Micro. You can either use an ActiveX or Sun Java based anti
virus scan of a PC.

Getting back to the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MRT), it is updated for new
threats more often then say McAfee Stinger which is now a stale tool. It runs periodically
with new MS Updates and even if it it can't remove the malwarae (which I have run into News
posts which indicate it failed) it alarms on its existence so you can use other tools like
my Multi AV Scanning Tool to remove it. The list of trageted infectors is growing.

As a full time anti virus solution OneCare only gets a subset of what all its peer vendors
catch and remove. I supply all my samples to Microsoft and I expect a good turn-aroun time.
Virus Total helps and so does the http://safety.live.com/site/en-US/default.htm web site.

How long should I expect them to take a sample and detect it. Microsoft does this in a poor
time frame taking too long.

BTW: Trend Micro has two levels of submission support. Residential consumers and
enterprise contracts. Residential consumers experience poor time frames and taking too long
to put out signatures on a given subission.
 
3) And don't forget the Claria fiasco. MS has partnered with so many
companies, do you really think that an MS security product will blow
the whistle on one of them when privacy concerns arise?
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I was cleaning up a machine on Friday - a freshly installed and
updated Windows Defender found nothing, but Lavasoft's Ad-Aware
found 98 items of interest, several critical, and SpyBot S&D
found a couple more after that.
 
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optikl said:
You *bought* a product without knowing anything about it?
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"Anything" is a bit extreme. I knew they did beta testing, they are MS, it
did allow three installations, and Costo had it for only $32.
So, I took a calculated risk.
-Pete
 
From: "Pete" <[email protected]>


| "Anything" is a bit extreme. I knew they did beta testing, they are MS, it
| did allow three installations, and Costo had it for only $32.
| So, I took a calculated risk.
| -Pete
|

Insufficient criteria !

You have to examine the niche that the software was designed for and you needed to look into
how well that software performed.

I'm sure when you bought your last car you used better criteria in its purchase.

When it comes to anti virus, you need to look at...

Catch rate
Heuristics
"On Demand" and On "Access Scanning" scanning settings and abilities
Ability to cope with new threats
Ability of the vendor to generate new signatures in a timely fashion for a given infector
Ability to scan iside numerous archive file types
Ability to scan within installer packaged files.

There's more but that'll do for now.
 
Pete said:
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"Anything" is a bit extreme. I knew they did beta testing, they are MS, it
did allow three installations, and Costo had it for only $32.
So, I took a calculated risk.
-Pete
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May not be too big a risk since Costco has a very liberal returns policy.

Lou
I eat my peas with honey.
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny.
But it keeps them on my knife.
 
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