xfile said:My 2 cents,
He suggested you:
(1) "[...] you should be using a shared area, on a different physical disk
to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities (use raid, but raid alone
is
not enough; what if a power surge or lightening strike hits the raid
system...)."
(2) "In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area."
SG said:I am totally lost on this reply :<(
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
I am totally lost on this reply :<(
Oh well it's not important and time to move on.
SG said:What in the sam hill did that have to do about my suggestion when one
starts to type in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll down
to that folder or at least the alphabetical listing?
Oh well it's not important and time to move on.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
xfile said:My 2 cents,
He suggested you:
(1) "[...] you should be using a shared area, on a different physical
disk
to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities (use raid, but raid alone
is
not enough; what if a power surge or lightening strike hits the raid
system...)."
(2) "In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area."
SG said:I am totally lost on this reply :<(
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Your question raises 2 other points. I'm sorry to keep going on about
them, but I think they're important.
User areas:
Since all documents are being recorded under "Documents", I presume
that everyone who writes data is using the same login. This is not good
for security.
Any OS suitable for professional use allow users to write only to their
own area, or to shared directories / virtual disks that require
surveillance. In your case, you should be using a shared area, on a
different physical disk to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities
(use raid, but raid alone is not enough; what if a power surge or
lightening strike hits the raid system...).
The same applies to family applications (such as family photos you want
your grandchildren to be able to see).
Structure of Vista user areas:
The directories you see under "Documents" ("My documents") under Vista
are not real data directories, but are pointers to real data
directories that don't have the same names. Also, the names you see are
not the real names, but nicknames, usually in the local language.
This way of redirecting information ("alias" under Unix) is apparantly
necessary for programs (executable files, etc), for technical reasons.
However, using similar architecture for data is inviting disaster.
The reason for this is that the complex redirection structure is
specific to each operating system. The only thing that has been
constant for many years is the notion of files in a hierarchical
directory structure. When you try to copy or back up from Vista or XP
"My documents" to an OS-independent backup disk, you can never be sure
that you've "caught" all your data, nor that you can trace the
directory structure of the copy back to the original nicknamed
structure.
Note that you could be in trouble even with a future successor to
Vista.
In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared area.
Applications should not automatically send you to the user area when
you save a file. That way you can back-up, and if necessary migrate, to
any system you like. Finally, don't put your data physically into in a
database, although you can use a database system for indexing, if it
leaves your your directory structure intact (some photo viewing
packages do this OK).
Regards
"Rick Rogers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
An interesting suggestion, and one I've now forwarded on to a contact
in the product group.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Thanks Rick, I'll give it up for now. Perhaps later on I'll be able
to make my suggestion.
This is what I love to see, don't know if it's possible, but man what
a help it would be.
I work part time with a friend who is an accountant. Not only do I
keep his machines up and going, but do a lot of data entry, 941's ,
944's '940's. VA-5's, Sales & Meals Tax and so on. We have hundreds
of customers and needless to say many company folders in "Documents".
It's gotten so large when we Save-As a company file it takes awhile
to scroll down to find them. What I propose is when saving a file
like Word, Excel and so on is when one starts to type in the name to
save it, it would automatically scroll down to that folder or at
least the alphabetical listing.
Example.
Say I have a folder called, Porter Underground. When I first Save-As
and start to type in Porter it would scroll down to at least starting
with the letter P. That would get me in the ball park and save at lot
of time. I have a Label program when I click on Open and type the
first few letters it takes me close. I know what I'm wanting is
different, but it may be possible and worth a shot to pass this on to
MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Microsoft is being unusually tight-lipped about the next version of
Windows, SG. Not only do they not seem to be seeking any input, but
there really haven't been any of those "unofficial" leaks that
normally crop up. To my knowledge, they are not soliciting any input
from partners, early (alpha) testers, or any other user group.
Seeing as one of the chief complaints about Vista is unwanted UI
changes, I'm not so sure this is the best approach.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Any link to MS for suggestions on the nest Windows version? I
thought I've seen in some of the post here, but can't seem to find
them and nothing at the MS website.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
SG said:What in the sam hill did that have to do about my suggestion when one
starts to type in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll down
to that folder or at least the alphabetical listing?
Oh well it's not important and time to move on.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
xfile said:My 2 cents,
He suggested you:
(1) "[...] you should be using a shared area, on a different physical
disk
to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities (use raid, but raid alone
is
not enough; what if a power surge or lightening strike hits the raid
system...)."
(2) "In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area."
SG said:I am totally lost on this reply :<(
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Your question raises 2 other points. I'm sorry to keep going on about
them, but I think they're important.
User areas:
Since all documents are being recorded under "Documents", I presume
that everyone who writes data is using the same login. This is not good
for security.
Any OS suitable for professional use allow users to write only to their
own area, or to shared directories / virtual disks that require
surveillance. In your case, you should be using a shared area, on a
different physical disk to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities
(use raid, but raid alone is not enough; what if a power surge or
lightening strike hits the raid system...).
The same applies to family applications (such as family photos you want
your grandchildren to be able to see).
Structure of Vista user areas:
The directories you see under "Documents" ("My documents") under Vista
are not real data directories, but are pointers to real data
directories that don't have the same names. Also, the names you see are
not the real names, but nicknames, usually in the local language.
This way of redirecting information ("alias" under Unix) is apparantly
necessary for programs (executable files, etc), for technical reasons.
However, using similar architecture for data is inviting disaster.
The reason for this is that the complex redirection structure is
specific to each operating system. The only thing that has been
constant for many years is the notion of files in a hierarchical
directory structure. When you try to copy or back up from Vista or XP
"My documents" to an OS-independent backup disk, you can never be sure
that you've "caught" all your data, nor that you can trace the
directory structure of the copy back to the original nicknamed
structure.
Note that you could be in trouble even with a future successor to
Vista.
In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared area.
Applications should not automatically send you to the user area when
you save a file. That way you can back-up, and if necessary migrate, to
any system you like. Finally, don't put your data physically into in a
database, although you can use a database system for indexing, if it
leaves your your directory structure intact (some photo viewing
packages do this OK).
Regards
"Rick Rogers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
An interesting suggestion, and one I've now forwarded on to a contact
in the product group.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Thanks Rick, I'll give it up for now. Perhaps later on I'll be able
to make my suggestion.
This is what I love to see, don't know if it's possible, but man what
a help it would be.
I work part time with a friend who is an accountant. Not only do I
keep his machines up and going, but do a lot of data entry, 941's ,
944's '940's. VA-5's, Sales & Meals Tax and so on. We have hundreds
of customers and needless to say many company folders in "Documents".
It's gotten so large when we Save-As a company file it takes awhile
to scroll down to find them. What I propose is when saving a file
like Word, Excel and so on is when one starts to type in the name to
save it, it would automatically scroll down to that folder or at
least the alphabetical listing.
Example.
Say I have a folder called, Porter Underground. When I first Save-As
and start to type in Porter it would scroll down to at least starting
with the letter P. That would get me in the ball park and save at lot
of time. I have a Label program when I click on Open and type the
first few letters it takes me close. I know what I'm wanting is
different, but it may be possible and worth a shot to pass this on to
MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Microsoft is being unusually tight-lipped about the next version of
Windows, SG. Not only do they not seem to be seeking any input, but
there really haven't been any of those "unofficial" leaks that
normally crop up. To my knowledge, they are not soliciting any input
from partners, early (alpha) testers, or any other user group.
Seeing as one of the chief complaints about Vista is unwanted UI
changes, I'm not so sure this is the best approach.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Any link to MS for suggestions on the nest Windows version? I
thought I've seen in some of the post here, but can't seem to find
them and nothing at the MS website.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Daddy Tadpole said:It has to do with the fact that if you don't want your business to go bust
because of lost data you should definitely not be using *that* folder.
Just trying to be helpful.
Regards
SG said:What in the sam hill did that have to do about my suggestion when one
starts to type in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll down
to that folder or at least the alphabetical listing?
Oh well it's not important and time to move on.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
xfile said:My 2 cents,
He suggested you:
(1) "[...] you should be using a shared area, on a different physical
disk
to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities (use raid, but raid alone
is
not enough; what if a power surge or lightening strike hits the raid
system...)."
(2) "In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area."
I am totally lost on this reply :<(
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Your question raises 2 other points. I'm sorry to keep going on about
them, but I think they're important.
User areas:
Since all documents are being recorded under "Documents", I presume
that everyone who writes data is using the same login. This is not
good for security.
Any OS suitable for professional use allow users to write only to
their own area, or to shared directories / virtual disks that require
surveillance. In your case, you should be using a shared area, on a
different physical disk to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities
(use raid, but raid alone is not enough; what if a power surge or
lightening strike hits the raid system...).
The same applies to family applications (such as family photos you
want your grandchildren to be able to see).
Structure of Vista user areas:
The directories you see under "Documents" ("My documents") under Vista
are not real data directories, but are pointers to real data
directories that don't have the same names. Also, the names you see
are not the real names, but nicknames, usually in the local language.
This way of redirecting information ("alias" under Unix) is apparantly
necessary for programs (executable files, etc), for technical reasons.
However, using similar architecture for data is inviting disaster.
The reason for this is that the complex redirection structure is
specific to each operating system. The only thing that has been
constant for many years is the notion of files in a hierarchical
directory structure. When you try to copy or back up from Vista or XP
"My documents" to an OS-independent backup disk, you can never be sure
that you've "caught" all your data, nor that you can trace the
directory structure of the copy back to the original nicknamed
structure.
Note that you could be in trouble even with a future successor to
Vista.
In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area. Applications should not automatically send you to the user area
when you save a file. That way you can back-up, and if necessary
migrate, to any system you like. Finally, don't put your data
physically into in a database, although you can use a database system
for indexing, if it leaves your your directory structure intact (some
photo viewing packages do this OK).
Regards
"Rick Rogers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
An interesting suggestion, and one I've now forwarded on to a contact
in the product group.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Thanks Rick, I'll give it up for now. Perhaps later on I'll be able
to make my suggestion.
This is what I love to see, don't know if it's possible, but man
what a help it would be.
I work part time with a friend who is an accountant. Not only do I
keep his machines up and going, but do a lot of data entry, 941's ,
944's '940's. VA-5's, Sales & Meals Tax and so on. We have hundreds
of customers and needless to say many company folders in
"Documents". It's gotten so large when we Save-As a company file it
takes awhile to scroll down to find them. What I propose is when
saving a file like Word, Excel and so on is when one starts to type
in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll down to that
folder or at least the alphabetical listing.
Example.
Say I have a folder called, Porter Underground. When I first Save-As
and start to type in Porter it would scroll down to at least
starting with the letter P. That would get me in the ball park and
save at lot of time. I have a Label program when I click on Open and
type the first few letters it takes me close. I know what I'm
wanting is different, but it may be possible and worth a shot to
pass this on to MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Microsoft is being unusually tight-lipped about the next version of
Windows, SG. Not only do they not seem to be seeking any input, but
there really haven't been any of those "unofficial" leaks that
normally crop up. To my knowledge, they are not soliciting any
input from partners, early (alpha) testers, or any other user
group.
Seeing as one of the chief complaints about Vista is unwanted UI
changes, I'm not so sure this is the best approach.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Any link to MS for suggestions on the nest Windows version? I
thought I've seen in some of the post here, but can't seem to find
them and nothing at the MS website.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
SG said:I appreciate your trying to help, but just to let you know I am not a
novice. I'm been in this business for many years both hardware and software
and very comfortable in how I handle things.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Daddy Tadpole said:It has to do with the fact that if you don't want your business to go
bust because of lost data you should definitely not be using *that*
folder.
Just trying to be helpful.
Regards
SG said:What in the sam hill did that have to do about my suggestion when one
starts to type in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll
down to that folder or at least the alphabetical listing?
Oh well it's not important and time to move on.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
My 2 cents,
He suggested you:
(1) "[...] you should be using a shared area, on a different physical
disk
to the OS, and with suitable backup facilities (use raid, but raid
alone is
not enough; what if a power surge or lightening strike hits the raid
system...)."
(2) "In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area."
I am totally lost on this reply :<(
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Your question raises 2 other points. I'm sorry to keep going on about
them, but I think they're important.
User areas:
Since all documents are being recorded under "Documents", I presume
that everyone who writes data is using the same login. This is not
good for security.
Any OS suitable for professional use allow users to write only to
their own area, or to shared directories / virtual disks that require
surveillance. In your case, you should be using a shared area, on a
different physical disk to the OS, and with suitable backup
facilities (use raid, but raid alone is not enough; what if a power
surge or lightening strike hits the raid system...).
The same applies to family applications (such as family photos you
want your grandchildren to be able to see).
Structure of Vista user areas:
The directories you see under "Documents" ("My documents") under
Vista are not real data directories, but are pointers to real data
directories that don't have the same names. Also, the names you see
are not the real names, but nicknames, usually in the local language.
This way of redirecting information ("alias" under Unix) is
apparantly necessary for programs (executable files, etc), for
technical reasons. However, using similar architecture for data is
inviting disaster.
The reason for this is that the complex redirection structure is
specific to each operating system. The only thing that has been
constant for many years is the notion of files in a hierarchical
directory structure. When you try to copy or back up from Vista or XP
"My documents" to an OS-independent backup disk, you can never be
sure that you've "caught" all your data, nor that you can trace the
directory structure of the copy back to the original nicknamed
structure.
Note that you could be in trouble even with a future successor to
Vista.
In conclusion, always store your data in a well-maintained shared
area. Applications should not automatically send you to the user area
when you save a file. That way you can back-up, and if necessary
migrate, to any system you like. Finally, don't put your data
physically into in a database, although you can use a database system
for indexing, if it leaves your your directory structure intact (some
photo viewing packages do this OK).
Regards
"Rick Rogers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
An interesting suggestion, and one I've now forwarded on to a
contact in the product group.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Thanks Rick, I'll give it up for now. Perhaps later on I'll be able
to make my suggestion.
This is what I love to see, don't know if it's possible, but man
what a help it would be.
I work part time with a friend who is an accountant. Not only do I
keep his machines up and going, but do a lot of data entry, 941's ,
944's '940's. VA-5's, Sales & Meals Tax and so on. We have hundreds
of customers and needless to say many company folders in
"Documents". It's gotten so large when we Save-As a company file it
takes awhile to scroll down to find them. What I propose is when
saving a file like Word, Excel and so on is when one starts to type
in the name to save it, it would automatically scroll down to that
folder or at least the alphabetical listing.
Example.
Say I have a folder called, Porter Underground. When I first
Save-As and start to type in Porter it would scroll down to at
least starting with the letter P. That would get me in the ball
park and save at lot of time. I have a Label program when I click
on Open and type the first few letters it takes me close. I know
what I'm wanting is different, but it may be possible and worth a
shot to pass this on to MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
Microsoft is being unusually tight-lipped about the next version
of Windows, SG. Not only do they not seem to be seeking any input,
but there really haven't been any of those "unofficial" leaks that
normally crop up. To my knowledge, they are not soliciting any
input from partners, early (alpha) testers, or any other user
group.
Seeing as one of the chief complaints about Vista is unwanted UI
changes, I'm not so sure this is the best approach.
--
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
Any link to MS for suggestions on the nest Windows version? I
thought I've seen in some of the post here, but can't seem to
find them and nothing at the MS website.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/